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If any one knows anything about these items I would greatly appreciate it! I recently started going thought my grandmother stamp collection and I am having a hard time finding info! Thanks in Advance :-)
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Three of them appear to be Third Reich postcards, though two are cropped. The other is a card (or possibly commemorative cover) from the 1947 Hannover Export Fair with two stamps featuring Dr Stephan, founder of the UPU (issued 15 May 1947) which come under "Germany, American, British and Soviet Russian Zones 1946-48" in Gibbons.
The entire Third Reich card is for Stamp Day 1941 and depicts an SS-man by that prolific designer-duo Axster-Heudtlass. The two crops are postal stationery from the 'Ostmesse' (Eastern Fair) at Konigsberg in August 1939.
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Thank you! I am trying to learn as much as I can, and before all I knew was that they were German. I also have a few cards with DDR stamps, But they seem to be missing one stamp for the collection. Thank you again
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interesting that the 1941 Stamp Day postal card features a Hindenburg, not a Hitler, stamp.
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My understanding is that, although Hindenburg and Hitler despised each other, Hindenburg was so popular a (former) leader and military hero that Hitler had to pay grudging homage to him. The "Hindenburg Head" stamps were commonly used on mail during the war, but the second issue, issued in 1934 after Hitler came to power, was strongly watermarked with swastikas rather than the earlier "chain-link-fence" watermark. Usually you don't even need watermark fluid to see the watermarks. Here are examples grabbed from the internet:
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Thank you! I'm not sure I can tell anything.. Do i look at the stamp printed on the card?
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Amber, you'll need to get hold of an individual stamp to check the watermarks - they can't be seen if the stamp is affixed to an envelope, and there aren't any on pre-printed postcards. As Bob says, the Third Reich watermarks are often easy to spot, but those from other times or countries usually need some chemical assistance and a little black tray.
Your card has a catalogue ID of Mi P242/08 (where Mi is for Michel, the common German or European stamp catalogue). Note that the 'stamps' pre-printed on postcards do not actually count as stamps; many use the same design, but several do not (for example the horse and the moose on your other cards). They could form a separate collection but should not be cropped from their cards.
If you have inherited a really mixed collection you'll find that there's much to be found out about a range of different aspects of stamps: countries, their governments and currencies; design and artwork; stamp production (printing styles, paper types, etc.) to name a few. You don't have to cultivate an interest in all of these unless you want to - in this group we have people who will advise on any one of them and more besides.
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I was writing only about the Hindenburg postage stamps issued in sheet form, not the printed postage on postal cards, which of course are not watermarked or perforated. If you want to learn more about the postal cards, there are extensive catalogues about the postal cards and postcards of the Third Reich.
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Yes Thank you so much. This is hard because I have no clue what I'm doing. Should I just take my stamps ( about 1,000 or more ) to be appraised and cataloged? I have so many from all over the world. I would love to know more about them but I am a mother of 3 and rarely have the time. Does it cost a lot to have this type of thing done?
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There's no point in paying anyone to identify and evaluate your collection. It would be prohibitively expensive if it were done thoroughly, and wouldn't be worth doing any other way.
If you want to pursue collecting when you have time, then being right here on Stamporama is a good place to be. You could/perhaps should buy a used set of Stanley-Gibbons or Scott worldwide catalogues. Don't hesitate to post images and ask questions, remembering that there is no such thing as a stupid question. Stamp collecting is certainly one of the most information-dense hobbies that's ever existed. No one collector can or could know everything about philately, but the pleasures of learning about one's own collection are priceless.
Bob
P.S. An important point: Stamp collecting is NOT about profit. Stamps, in fact, even rare ones, make poor investments. There are cases of collectors selling rare stamps at a huge loss over what they paid for them.
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Bob offers great advice.
it would really help you if you could acquire a used set of Scott or other stamp catalogues. Scott is the common choice in the US, so that's what I would get. They are often offered here for pennies, especially older ones, and that's a decent place to start.
As to "appraisal," there is no need. 1,000 stamps is a nice number with which to start, but probably not worth very much, except as great training material for you in IDing stamps and learning about them.
Scott will be your entree into greater understanding and self-reliance
David
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Thank you, Yes I'm not looking for profit. I was just hoping to learn a few things about them, since they are family mementos. I will look into getting some books. I get over whelmed and want to know everything at once haha but i can just do a little at a time.
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The American Philatelic Society has a web site that offers plenty of help for collectors. You do not have to be a member to use the site.
Here is a link to it. At the upper left corner you will see "STAMP COLLECTING". Click on that and you will find plenty of helpful information.
http://stamps.org/Home
Also, here is a commercial site that has a little area to help collectors:
http://www.kenmorestamp.com/guide-to-collecting
And most importantly, like you have been doing, ask all the questions you want. There are plenty of people here ready and willing to help you enjoy your new hobby to the fullest!
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If any one knows anything about these items I would greatly appreciate it! I recently started going thought my grandmother stamp collection and I am having a hard time finding info! Thanks in Advance :-)
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Three of them appear to be Third Reich postcards, though two are cropped. The other is a card (or possibly commemorative cover) from the 1947 Hannover Export Fair with two stamps featuring Dr Stephan, founder of the UPU (issued 15 May 1947) which come under "Germany, American, British and Soviet Russian Zones 1946-48" in Gibbons.
The entire Third Reich card is for Stamp Day 1941 and depicts an SS-man by that prolific designer-duo Axster-Heudtlass. The two crops are postal stationery from the 'Ostmesse' (Eastern Fair) at Konigsberg in August 1939.
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Thank you! I am trying to learn as much as I can, and before all I knew was that they were German. I also have a few cards with DDR stamps, But they seem to be missing one stamp for the collection. Thank you again
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interesting that the 1941 Stamp Day postal card features a Hindenburg, not a Hitler, stamp.
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My understanding is that, although Hindenburg and Hitler despised each other, Hindenburg was so popular a (former) leader and military hero that Hitler had to pay grudging homage to him. The "Hindenburg Head" stamps were commonly used on mail during the war, but the second issue, issued in 1934 after Hitler came to power, was strongly watermarked with swastikas rather than the earlier "chain-link-fence" watermark. Usually you don't even need watermark fluid to see the watermarks. Here are examples grabbed from the internet:
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Thank you! I'm not sure I can tell anything.. Do i look at the stamp printed on the card?
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Amber, you'll need to get hold of an individual stamp to check the watermarks - they can't be seen if the stamp is affixed to an envelope, and there aren't any on pre-printed postcards. As Bob says, the Third Reich watermarks are often easy to spot, but those from other times or countries usually need some chemical assistance and a little black tray.
Your card has a catalogue ID of Mi P242/08 (where Mi is for Michel, the common German or European stamp catalogue). Note that the 'stamps' pre-printed on postcards do not actually count as stamps; many use the same design, but several do not (for example the horse and the moose on your other cards). They could form a separate collection but should not be cropped from their cards.
If you have inherited a really mixed collection you'll find that there's much to be found out about a range of different aspects of stamps: countries, their governments and currencies; design and artwork; stamp production (printing styles, paper types, etc.) to name a few. You don't have to cultivate an interest in all of these unless you want to - in this group we have people who will advise on any one of them and more besides.
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I was writing only about the Hindenburg postage stamps issued in sheet form, not the printed postage on postal cards, which of course are not watermarked or perforated. If you want to learn more about the postal cards, there are extensive catalogues about the postal cards and postcards of the Third Reich.
Bob
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Yes Thank you so much. This is hard because I have no clue what I'm doing. Should I just take my stamps ( about 1,000 or more ) to be appraised and cataloged? I have so many from all over the world. I would love to know more about them but I am a mother of 3 and rarely have the time. Does it cost a lot to have this type of thing done?
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re: Any Info Please! Not sure where to look..
There's no point in paying anyone to identify and evaluate your collection. It would be prohibitively expensive if it were done thoroughly, and wouldn't be worth doing any other way.
If you want to pursue collecting when you have time, then being right here on Stamporama is a good place to be. You could/perhaps should buy a used set of Stanley-Gibbons or Scott worldwide catalogues. Don't hesitate to post images and ask questions, remembering that there is no such thing as a stupid question. Stamp collecting is certainly one of the most information-dense hobbies that's ever existed. No one collector can or could know everything about philately, but the pleasures of learning about one's own collection are priceless.
Bob
P.S. An important point: Stamp collecting is NOT about profit. Stamps, in fact, even rare ones, make poor investments. There are cases of collectors selling rare stamps at a huge loss over what they paid for them.
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Bob offers great advice.
it would really help you if you could acquire a used set of Scott or other stamp catalogues. Scott is the common choice in the US, so that's what I would get. They are often offered here for pennies, especially older ones, and that's a decent place to start.
As to "appraisal," there is no need. 1,000 stamps is a nice number with which to start, but probably not worth very much, except as great training material for you in IDing stamps and learning about them.
Scott will be your entree into greater understanding and self-reliance
David
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Thank you, Yes I'm not looking for profit. I was just hoping to learn a few things about them, since they are family mementos. I will look into getting some books. I get over whelmed and want to know everything at once haha but i can just do a little at a time.
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re: Any Info Please! Not sure where to look..
The American Philatelic Society has a web site that offers plenty of help for collectors. You do not have to be a member to use the site.
Here is a link to it. At the upper left corner you will see "STAMP COLLECTING". Click on that and you will find plenty of helpful information.
http://stamps.org/Home
Also, here is a commercial site that has a little area to help collectors:
http://www.kenmorestamp.com/guide-to-collecting
And most importantly, like you have been doing, ask all the questions you want. There are plenty of people here ready and willing to help you enjoy your new hobby to the fullest!
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