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General Philatelic/Identify This? : 1851 New Brunswick 6d proof in blue dark violet on thin wove paper

 

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Boudicca

08 Jul 2015
11:13:24pm
Can anyone help me identify this proof? Very kind thanks.Image Not Found

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08 Jul 2015
11:21:38pm
re: 1851 New Brunswick 6d proof in blue dark violet on thin wove paper

The Unitrade catalog lists a 6D black proof on thin card. This seems to match.

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09 Jul 2015
02:19:34am
re: 1851 New Brunswick 6d proof in blue dark violet on thin wove paper

Wrong color and wrong paper for the proof. Also lacks a lot of the engraved detail in the flowers/leaves/crown.

This is a reproduction or possibly a reprint (which does have decent value). While the color is close for the reprint (violet black, not the olive yellow of originals), the paper should be stout white paper, and it still bothers me that your stamp lacks details (looks more like lithographed rather than engraved).

So at this point, I'm wondering if it may be some reproduction from a show souvenir sheet. I know there's one for the Nova Scotia stamp made by the 1950 London Exhibition, but I cannot recall a specific one for the New Brunswick 6d stamp.

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Boudicca

09 Jul 2015
03:41:25pm
re: 1851 New Brunswick 6d proof in blue dark violet on thin wove paper

It's my BNAPS understanding that this proof for the New Brunswick 6d was originally in 15 different colours. It is not a reprint and it is very dark violet blue, which is not so well represented in my scan. It is definitively not black as I have the 12d which is.
I was looking for a catalogue number that reflects the 15 colour issues for this proof. The reprints are not on thin wove paper.
My kind thanks for everyone's comments.

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09 Jul 2015
07:18:43pm
re: 1851 New Brunswick 6d proof in blue dark violet on thin wove paper

"It's my BNAPS understanding that this proof for the New Brunswick 6d was originally in 15 different colours."


Thanks for that bit of information. I had not read of the proof in other colors. My 2012 Unitrade only lists the 6d black proof on thin card (New Brunswick #2P), but I figure you already knew that.

I agree that it doesn't appear to be a reprint because the paper does not appear to be the right kind. So it's either going to be one of those proofs or some later reproduction. If it turns out to be a proof, I'm rather curious why it's not as sharp as the pictures of proofs I've seen online, especially the lines in the leaves/flowers. Maybe it's just a picture resolution issue.
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09 Jul 2015
08:48:49pm
re: 1851 New Brunswick 6d proof in blue dark violet on thin wove paper

Interesting. It does specifically state that those additional reprints were on thin white wove tinged with the printing color.

I wonder if there is any relationship between that the other colored "proofs" that are not listed in Unitrade.

Anyway, give Nelson's snippet, I withdraw my comment about it not meeting the criteria of the reprints. It didn't meet the criteria of the reprints cited in the catalogs, but obviously the reprints discussed in the snippet didn't make it into the catalogs.

Learned quite a few new things today. Thanks!

Nelson, can you provide a citation for that snippet. Thanks!

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Boudicca

08 Jul 2015
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Can anyone help me identify this proof? Very kind thanks.Image Not Found

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08 Jul 2015
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re: 1851 New Brunswick 6d proof in blue dark violet on thin wove paper

The Unitrade catalog lists a 6D black proof on thin card. This seems to match.

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09 Jul 2015
02:19:34am

re: 1851 New Brunswick 6d proof in blue dark violet on thin wove paper

Wrong color and wrong paper for the proof. Also lacks a lot of the engraved detail in the flowers/leaves/crown.

This is a reproduction or possibly a reprint (which does have decent value). While the color is close for the reprint (violet black, not the olive yellow of originals), the paper should be stout white paper, and it still bothers me that your stamp lacks details (looks more like lithographed rather than engraved).

So at this point, I'm wondering if it may be some reproduction from a show souvenir sheet. I know there's one for the Nova Scotia stamp made by the 1950 London Exhibition, but I cannot recall a specific one for the New Brunswick 6d stamp.

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Boudicca

09 Jul 2015
03:41:25pm

re: 1851 New Brunswick 6d proof in blue dark violet on thin wove paper

It's my BNAPS understanding that this proof for the New Brunswick 6d was originally in 15 different colours. It is not a reprint and it is very dark violet blue, which is not so well represented in my scan. It is definitively not black as I have the 12d which is.
I was looking for a catalogue number that reflects the 15 colour issues for this proof. The reprints are not on thin wove paper.
My kind thanks for everyone's comments.

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khj

09 Jul 2015
07:18:43pm

re: 1851 New Brunswick 6d proof in blue dark violet on thin wove paper

"It's my BNAPS understanding that this proof for the New Brunswick 6d was originally in 15 different colours."


Thanks for that bit of information. I had not read of the proof in other colors. My 2012 Unitrade only lists the 6d black proof on thin card (New Brunswick #2P), but I figure you already knew that.

I agree that it doesn't appear to be a reprint because the paper does not appear to be the right kind. So it's either going to be one of those proofs or some later reproduction. If it turns out to be a proof, I'm rather curious why it's not as sharp as the pictures of proofs I've seen online, especially the lines in the leaves/flowers. Maybe it's just a picture resolution issue.
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khj

09 Jul 2015
08:48:49pm

re: 1851 New Brunswick 6d proof in blue dark violet on thin wove paper

Interesting. It does specifically state that those additional reprints were on thin white wove tinged with the printing color.

I wonder if there is any relationship between that the other colored "proofs" that are not listed in Unitrade.

Anyway, give Nelson's snippet, I withdraw my comment about it not meeting the criteria of the reprints. It didn't meet the criteria of the reprints cited in the catalogs, but obviously the reprints discussed in the snippet didn't make it into the catalogs.

Learned quite a few new things today. Thanks!

Nelson, can you provide a citation for that snippet. Thanks!

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