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sexyladi820

30 Sep 2015
01:28:55am
Image Not FoundHello everyone,
I just have a couple of questions as I'm new to stamp collecting. I received a penny black from a friend and have been trying to get all the information I can about it. I was told on another site that it was worthless but of course would like a second opinion. Happy I also would like to know its estimated value. Any and all info is welcome. I really appreciate your time and knowledge. Image Not Found

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30 Sep 2015
02:20:01am
re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

No it's not worthless and would fetch probably € 40 to €50 on E-Bay if it has no thins or any other damage.It appears to be plate 6

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ronnya

30 Sep 2015
03:24:34am
re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

The Penny Black is not a rare stamp. there were over 68,000,000 of them printed.
If you go wikipedia org and search for penny black you should be able to get a lot of information there. Ron

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cocollectibles

30 Sep 2015
05:40:01am
re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

The other site's opinion that it was "worthless" was probably based on three factors shown in the scan:

1. Penny Blacks are valued higher if they show four clear margins; your stamp has only two clear margins (the edges of the stamp where a "white space" shows beyond the design).

2. Your stamp's design has been cut into at the top and right side, diminishing it's value; although related to point 1, in this case the design cuts seem quite deep.

3. A clear, easily discernible cancel is more desirable than an indistinct or smudged cancel, as shown on the scan.

IMHO, I doubt if you could get €40 to €50 for this stamp; it would have to have other mitigating features, like the plate number or design faults, to overcome the two issues above.

Peter

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30 Sep 2015
07:05:42am
re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

Penny Blacks are a perfect example of supply and demand at work. While not rare, the demand for the stamp far exceeds the supply, hence they sell well. I was about to suggest you do an Ebay search to determine value, but seems you have already listed it. With the hundreds of penny blacks currently being sold, I doubt you will get anywhere near the price you are asking. But who knows? Certainly doesn't hurt to try.

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nl1947

30 Sep 2015
07:38:22am
re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

Well at $600 it has the distinction of being just about the most expensive penny black in this condition on any auction. Considering reasonable copies are $50-$75

$6 would be a better start but even at that price.....

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Sorry & normally I don't comment on what beginners who actually collect show but that item is somewhere between worthless & garbage.

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30 Sep 2015
04:54:48pm
re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

Truthfully, I doubt I'd even bid $6.00 for it. So many decent copies are on the market at between $75 and $150, better copies and plates might fetch more.
the estimate "worthless" in my opinion is not far off the mark. I usually try to be upbeat in these matters, but I can't find it in my heart with this one, possibly I am soured by the eBay listing at $600.00. Actually, looking at it is depressing.
The only good thing is that there may be someone who doesn't have a copy and is financially strapped willing to spend next week's lunch money.

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18 Nov 2015
02:20:43pm
re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

Bought this one for AU$135. 4 borders with attractive portrait. The top image would only be considered a space filler.

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The 1841 penny blue in this condition is worth around $400.

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18 Nov 2015
07:42:01pm
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Wow, cdj1122, do people where you live really spend $600 on a week's lunches? They're living pretty well - it's all about austerity over here in UK.

I agree that $6 may be a more likely price for this stamp - but then a thing is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. So we wait agog.

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19 Nov 2015
01:06:16pm
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" ..... do people where you live really spend $600 on a week's lunches? ...."

Sure, all the wealthy Colonials do that daily, and the bar bill is extra.

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sexyladi820

30 Sep 2015
01:28:55am

Image Not FoundHello everyone,
I just have a couple of questions as I'm new to stamp collecting. I received a penny black from a friend and have been trying to get all the information I can about it. I was told on another site that it was worthless but of course would like a second opinion. Happy I also would like to know its estimated value. Any and all info is welcome. I really appreciate your time and knowledge. Image Not Found

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Charlie2009

30 Sep 2015
02:20:01am

re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

No it's not worthless and would fetch probably € 40 to €50 on E-Bay if it has no thins or any other damage.It appears to be plate 6

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ronnya

30 Sep 2015
03:24:34am

re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

The Penny Black is not a rare stamp. there were over 68,000,000 of them printed.
If you go wikipedia org and search for penny black you should be able to get a lot of information there. Ron

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cocollectibles

30 Sep 2015
05:40:01am

re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

The other site's opinion that it was "worthless" was probably based on three factors shown in the scan:

1. Penny Blacks are valued higher if they show four clear margins; your stamp has only two clear margins (the edges of the stamp where a "white space" shows beyond the design).

2. Your stamp's design has been cut into at the top and right side, diminishing it's value; although related to point 1, in this case the design cuts seem quite deep.

3. A clear, easily discernible cancel is more desirable than an indistinct or smudged cancel, as shown on the scan.

IMHO, I doubt if you could get €40 to €50 for this stamp; it would have to have other mitigating features, like the plate number or design faults, to overcome the two issues above.

Peter

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30 Sep 2015
07:05:42am

re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

Penny Blacks are a perfect example of supply and demand at work. While not rare, the demand for the stamp far exceeds the supply, hence they sell well. I was about to suggest you do an Ebay search to determine value, but seems you have already listed it. With the hundreds of penny blacks currently being sold, I doubt you will get anywhere near the price you are asking. But who knows? Certainly doesn't hurt to try.

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nl1947

30 Sep 2015
07:38:22am

re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

Well at $600 it has the distinction of being just about the most expensive penny black in this condition on any auction. Considering reasonable copies are $50-$75

$6 would be a better start but even at that price.....

Edited:
Sorry & normally I don't comment on what beginners who actually collect show but that item is somewhere between worthless & garbage.

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30 Sep 2015
04:54:48pm

re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

Truthfully, I doubt I'd even bid $6.00 for it. So many decent copies are on the market at between $75 and $150, better copies and plates might fetch more.
the estimate "worthless" in my opinion is not far off the mark. I usually try to be upbeat in these matters, but I can't find it in my heart with this one, possibly I am soured by the eBay listing at $600.00. Actually, looking at it is depressing.
The only good thing is that there may be someone who doesn't have a copy and is financially strapped willing to spend next week's lunch money.

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18 Nov 2015
02:20:43pm

re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

Bought this one for AU$135. 4 borders with attractive portrait. The top image would only be considered a space filler.

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The 1841 penny blue in this condition is worth around $400.

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Strider

18 Nov 2015
07:42:01pm

re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

Wow, cdj1122, do people where you live really spend $600 on a week's lunches? They're living pretty well - it's all about austerity over here in UK.

I agree that $6 may be a more likely price for this stamp - but then a thing is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. So we wait agog.

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19 Nov 2015
01:06:16pm

re: Just received a Penny Black (Info)

" ..... do people where you live really spend $600 on a week's lunches? ...."

Sure, all the wealthy Colonials do that daily, and the bar bill is extra.

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