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Basically it is 2 color/colour only.
below is an example
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Hey Bicolor,
Thanks for posting that. Those stamps are gorgeous. I'm very interested in early engraved bicolor stamps also. I find all the shift varieties of C3 fascinating. I've often wondered why there aren't similar varieties of other bicolor stamps.
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Hi Bicolor;
I think when well done bi-color is always better than multicolors....
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Fiji has lots of 'em..
Here is a couple that I like...
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Steve.
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And not just Fiji. British Commonwealth stamps of the early Elizabethan era are almost entirely bi-coloured. They make an extraordinarily attractive collection. (I'd like to post an example from each country, but I haven't scanned my QE2 Commonwealth album yet!)
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Hi bicolor;
Don't forget French and Belgian Africa from the colonial period....
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I agree that collecting bi-color stamps is a great idea, but it's especially rewarding when the bi-color stamps are engraved!
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A wonderful topic!
Here are Canada's first bi-coloured stamps:
Issued for the 1939 Royal Visit.
David
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From my collection
Post Office FUNAFUTI - Gilbert & Ellice Colony - 26 September 1945
Short lived WW2 provisional rubber violet cancels
Complete set, all bi-color Stanley Gibbons 43/54
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There is also the added attraction of adding covers to the topic.
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Here is a pleasant set:
...although I'm beginning to think that, for recess stamps especially, the more you post in one image the worse the effect.
These islands, once British, are virtually American now, I believe.
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Ian;
Those are some of my favorites, either mint or canceled, they look great....
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I too like these bi-colour issues and wish the colony that I collect (Hong Kong) had not abandoned this sort of design after the 1953 coronation stamp.
However, I was immediately drawn to two designs of the set that Guthrum posted: the 10d blue and black and the 2/6d blue and black. For some reason this particular colour combination seems the most harmonious to me. Yet, the reverse doesn't quite have that same appeal: the 1½d black and blue.
I wonder if others are drawn to a particular colour combination.
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I thought I would post this set again, as it is even more appropriate to this thread. The Barbados 1919 Victory issue; an absolute favourite of mine.
If I could nominate one set of stamps to collect on cover, this would be it.
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Ningpo;
"I wonder if others are drawn to a particular colour combination."
For me the 3p Red/Black and the 5' orange/green.
On your Barbados stamps;
What is with those skulls in the upper corners? They don't look very victorious....
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Those are lions, Ken.
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Hi Ningpo,
Nice Bahamas stamp, Queens face instead of a profile and the ship building detail is superb.
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I agree about the ship building detail. For some reason ships and rigging seem to lend themselves well to bi-colour designs. Look at Tuskenraider's 3d nomination; and yes, I rather like that colour combination too.
Can anybody identify the main colour of the 10/- value. It's a curious shade on my monitor and I don't have a catalogue.
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"Can anybody identify the main colour of the 10/- value. It's a curious shade on my monitor and I don't have a catalogue. "
Scott describes it as "Greenish black and black".
Roy
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Thanks for that Roy. I wonder if anybody can provide an enlargement.
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Oh look, I can:
Now that's betterer! And isn't that a really nice portrait of Queenie!
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Definitely see the Greenish black and black on my monitor
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There is a public auction on soon, I buy of these people all the time so I can recommend them for at least sales in Australia.
Some nice bi-color in the Commonwealth items.
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These are the only US bi-color I have.
Not sure of the year or issue format, presumably transport?
And NO, they are not in the most desirable condition, but they only cost me a beer :-)
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Portugal 1928 from my collection
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Bi-Color are not expensive, they do not cost the earth.
They can of course be expensive, but there is so many out there, engraved stamps etc. that cost little
One can spend very little to build a bi-color topical/thematic collection.
Forget about complete countries, pick sets from any where in the world that turn you on, that's all there is to it.
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"Scott describes it as "Greenish black and black"."
Good luck with that, I have the Stanley Gibbons color card, like a Chinese fan spread out thing, hopeless.
Different computers show different colors depending on the browser used, I gave up long ago.
Unless a particular color format is worth 100,s more, whats the use.
The only use is if you are sending it off to an auction house for sale, THEY WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE ITEM IS.
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Fred mentioned several ways to collect bi-colors. Another approach is to focus on a continent or region. I didn't limit myself to Africa and the Caribbean, but those two areas received most of my attention, particularly Africa. Lots of bi-color material from both areas. The South Pacific would probably be another good choice, or perhaps islands in general if you want to take a broader approach.
Notice my avatar!!! Red isn't my favorite color, but the red/reddish and black or red and dark blue color combinations are my favorites. A collection could focus on a particular color group or focus only on bi-colors with black vignettes or vignettes of animals or...........Many ways to approach this and lots of material to choose from.
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"Unless a particular color format is worth 100,s more, whats the use.
The only use is if you are sending it off to an auction house for sale, THEY WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE ITEM IS"
My apologies for this little outburst of mine, if I have offended anyone I am sorry.
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Kissendy,
LUV the Congo Stamp, do you know what the DU is for
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Du = of the
État Independant du Congo = Independent State of the Congo
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Come on US collectors! We're underrepresented on this thread!
-Ernie
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Nice Roy
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One question that's sort of stumped me... all of these amazing bi-color stamps I'm assuming we're produced in the same manner as US C3 i.e. run through a press once for one color and then run through again for the other. Are there stamps that have been posted on this thread that have all of the wonderful shift varieties like the C3?
-ErnieÂ
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Not exactly what you asked for but as I was going to post an 1854 India 4 annas, as an example of a very early bi-colour (albeit a different printing method), this is an example of a rather spectacular 'shift':
Although this is always referred to as an 'inverted head', it is in fact an 'inverted frame'.
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"One question that's sort of stumped me... all of these amazing bi-color stamps I'm assuming we're produced in the same manner as US C3 i.e. run through a press once for one color and then run through again for the other. Are there stamps that have been posted on this thread that have all of the wonderful shift varieties like the C3?
-Ernie "
Hi Ernie, no there has not been any specific shift varieties, thread is relatively new, post a few and lets have a look.
The British New Guinea "Lakatoi", have shifts and all sorts of, for another word "muck up's", considering the printing's process of 1901. I am into collecting these now, well at least for the last 2 years. absolutely fascinating.
Not bi-colour, but variations galore, the Australian "Food Produce" 1953
Fred
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And if one wants to go WAY out on a limb, add watermark differences to a non variety or variety/colour shift, sky's the limit. Just depends on time, if you have a day Job, family, wife.
What ever you have, lets see it.
Fred
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Thanks ningpo and bicolor,
How was printing process different on the India stamp as opposed to the us c3?
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"How was printing process different on the India stamp as opposed to the us c3?
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Sorry for being a bit 'wordy':
First of all, two engravings were made on small copper plates, of the head die and frame die respectively. From these two dies a large number of impressions were taken on small pieces of transfer paper and transferred on to two different series of lithographic stones; the head stones in blue and the frame stones in red.
On every stone there were 12 impressions; three rows of four, carefully synchronized to exact measurements to ensure that the 12 blue heads would fit exactly into the centres of the 12 red frames. At the first printing of these 4 anna stamps in October, 1854, at least 8 and possibly 12 head stones were thus prepared, and an equal number of frame stones.
When all these printing stones were ready, printing operations started, and the procedure was as follows:
One group of operators worked with the frame stones, using red pigment only, and printed the red frames on to sheets of paper which had been cut to the right size, and which had a characteristic oval watermark covering all the 12 impressions.
These sheets were then put aside to dry, and later taken by another group of operators working with the head stones, using blue pigment only. By very careful alignment of the half printed sheets, the heads were printed as precisely as possible into the centre of the red frames, thus completing the bi-coloured printing.
There were no perforations to bother about in 1854, but in the early printing the head stones also had blue wavy lines between and around the head impression. These were later omitted when (from April, 1855) the number of stamps per sheet was doubled.
As a general note; as time went by the 'precision' required to centre the heads became a little haphazard, consequently there are many examples were the Queen's portrait has shifted into the frame. Over time, wear and tear of the stones caused deterioration of print runs.
Through intense study of the various die states, most specimens can be identified and in the case of the 'inverted head' (24 known copies), forgeries can be readily identified.
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According to the Scott catalog, this was the only stamp in this 1922-1925 set that was engraved. As a result of the engraving and the colors, it stands out from the others stamps in the set.
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Keesindy, nice stamp, any history on who the "pretty lady" is.
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"Ningpo: Aden is my other main collecting interest."
Mine too, and I am still missing the last two (upper values) stamps of the first series of 1937. But as far as engraving is concerned, the second series issued 1939-1945 shows better engraving.
(and my scanner needs a bit of color correction! enlarged the upper values bicolors)
Aden was a vital British port and the post office was operated under an Indian Administrator in 1839. From 1839 to 1937 stamps of India were used in Aden.
Most Indian stamps from 1854 to 1935 can be found with an Aden postmark (Aden or the numerals 124, 125 or B-22). This may be the more interesting area to collect.
The stamps of Aden were no longer issued after it was incorporated into the South Arabian Federation. In turns, it became the Yemen People's Democratic Republic...and if one wants to look at a crazy local history (repeating itself again and again) look no further than the Yemen peninsula!
rrr...
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Fred, all I knew was that the lady is called "Malta" in the Scott catalog. However, I just found this site (https://vassallohistory.wordpress.com/national-symbols/). It says her name is "Melita." The article says, "The personification of Melita first appeared on 4 February 1899 on a postage stamp." She is said to be the "personification of Malta or the Maltese people."
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Malta was called Melita in the King James bible. The apostle Paul was shipwrecked there
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Hi all, my topical/thematic is bicolour(bi-color).
Basically it is 2 color/colour only.
below is an example
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Hey Bicolor,
Thanks for posting that. Those stamps are gorgeous. I'm very interested in early engraved bicolor stamps also. I find all the shift varieties of C3 fascinating. I've often wondered why there aren't similar varieties of other bicolor stamps.
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Hi Bicolor;
I think when well done bi-color is always better than multicolors....
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Fiji has lots of 'em..
Here is a couple that I like...
Cheers
Steve.
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And not just Fiji. British Commonwealth stamps of the early Elizabethan era are almost entirely bi-coloured. They make an extraordinarily attractive collection. (I'd like to post an example from each country, but I haven't scanned my QE2 Commonwealth album yet!)
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Hi bicolor;
Don't forget French and Belgian Africa from the colonial period....
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I agree that collecting bi-color stamps is a great idea, but it's especially rewarding when the bi-color stamps are engraved!
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A wonderful topic!
Here are Canada's first bi-coloured stamps:
Issued for the 1939 Royal Visit.
David
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From my collection
Post Office FUNAFUTI - Gilbert & Ellice Colony - 26 September 1945
Short lived WW2 provisional rubber violet cancels
Complete set, all bi-color Stanley Gibbons 43/54
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There is also the added attraction of adding covers to the topic.
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Here is a pleasant set:
...although I'm beginning to think that, for recess stamps especially, the more you post in one image the worse the effect.
These islands, once British, are virtually American now, I believe.
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Ian;
Those are some of my favorites, either mint or canceled, they look great....
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I too like these bi-colour issues and wish the colony that I collect (Hong Kong) had not abandoned this sort of design after the 1953 coronation stamp.
However, I was immediately drawn to two designs of the set that Guthrum posted: the 10d blue and black and the 2/6d blue and black. For some reason this particular colour combination seems the most harmonious to me. Yet, the reverse doesn't quite have that same appeal: the 1½d black and blue.
I wonder if others are drawn to a particular colour combination.
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I thought I would post this set again, as it is even more appropriate to this thread. The Barbados 1919 Victory issue; an absolute favourite of mine.
If I could nominate one set of stamps to collect on cover, this would be it.
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Ningpo;
"I wonder if others are drawn to a particular colour combination."
For me the 3p Red/Black and the 5' orange/green.
On your Barbados stamps;
What is with those skulls in the upper corners? They don't look very victorious....
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Those are lions, Ken.
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Hi Ningpo,
Nice Bahamas stamp, Queens face instead of a profile and the ship building detail is superb.
Fred
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I agree about the ship building detail. For some reason ships and rigging seem to lend themselves well to bi-colour designs. Look at Tuskenraider's 3d nomination; and yes, I rather like that colour combination too.
Can anybody identify the main colour of the 10/- value. It's a curious shade on my monitor and I don't have a catalogue.
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"Can anybody identify the main colour of the 10/- value. It's a curious shade on my monitor and I don't have a catalogue. "
Scott describes it as "Greenish black and black".
Roy
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Thanks for that Roy. I wonder if anybody can provide an enlargement.
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Oh look, I can:
Now that's betterer! And isn't that a really nice portrait of Queenie!
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Definitely see the Greenish black and black on my monitor
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There is a public auction on soon, I buy of these people all the time so I can recommend them for at least sales in Australia.
Some nice bi-color in the Commonwealth items.
Stamps & Covers
Public Auction 318
Thursday, 22nd October 2015 (12:00 noon)
https://www.statusint.com/index.php
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These are the only US bi-color I have.
Not sure of the year or issue format, presumably transport?
And NO, they are not in the most desirable condition, but they only cost me a beer :-)
Fred
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Portugal 1928 from my collection
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Bi-Color are not expensive, they do not cost the earth.
They can of course be expensive, but there is so many out there, engraved stamps etc. that cost little
One can spend very little to build a bi-color topical/thematic collection.
Forget about complete countries, pick sets from any where in the world that turn you on, that's all there is to it.
Fred
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"Scott describes it as "Greenish black and black"."
Good luck with that, I have the Stanley Gibbons color card, like a Chinese fan spread out thing, hopeless.
Different computers show different colors depending on the browser used, I gave up long ago.
Unless a particular color format is worth 100,s more, whats the use.
The only use is if you are sending it off to an auction house for sale, THEY WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE ITEM IS.
Fred
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Fred mentioned several ways to collect bi-colors. Another approach is to focus on a continent or region. I didn't limit myself to Africa and the Caribbean, but those two areas received most of my attention, particularly Africa. Lots of bi-color material from both areas. The South Pacific would probably be another good choice, or perhaps islands in general if you want to take a broader approach.
Notice my avatar!!! Red isn't my favorite color, but the red/reddish and black or red and dark blue color combinations are my favorites. A collection could focus on a particular color group or focus only on bi-colors with black vignettes or vignettes of animals or...........Many ways to approach this and lots of material to choose from.
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"Unless a particular color format is worth 100,s more, whats the use.
The only use is if you are sending it off to an auction house for sale, THEY WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE ITEM IS"
My apologies for this little outburst of mine, if I have offended anyone I am sorry.
Fred
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Kissendy,
LUV the Congo Stamp, do you know what the DU is for
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Du = of the
État Independant du Congo = Independent State of the Congo
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Come on US collectors! We're underrepresented on this thread!
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One question that's sort of stumped me... all of these amazing bi-color stamps I'm assuming we're produced in the same manner as US C3 i.e. run through a press once for one color and then run through again for the other. Are there stamps that have been posted on this thread that have all of the wonderful shift varieties like the C3?
-ErnieÂ
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Not exactly what you asked for but as I was going to post an 1854 India 4 annas, as an example of a very early bi-colour (albeit a different printing method), this is an example of a rather spectacular 'shift':
Although this is always referred to as an 'inverted head', it is in fact an 'inverted frame'.
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"One question that's sort of stumped me... all of these amazing bi-color stamps I'm assuming we're produced in the same manner as US C3 i.e. run through a press once for one color and then run through again for the other. Are there stamps that have been posted on this thread that have all of the wonderful shift varieties like the C3?
-Ernie "
Hi Ernie, no there has not been any specific shift varieties, thread is relatively new, post a few and lets have a look.
The British New Guinea "Lakatoi", have shifts and all sorts of, for another word "muck up's", considering the printing's process of 1901. I am into collecting these now, well at least for the last 2 years. absolutely fascinating.
Not bi-colour, but variations galore, the Australian "Food Produce" 1953
Fred
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And if one wants to go WAY out on a limb, add watermark differences to a non variety or variety/colour shift, sky's the limit. Just depends on time, if you have a day Job, family, wife.
What ever you have, lets see it.
Fred
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Thanks ningpo and bicolor,
How was printing process different on the India stamp as opposed to the us c3?
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"How was printing process different on the India stamp as opposed to the us c3?
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Sorry for being a bit 'wordy':
First of all, two engravings were made on small copper plates, of the head die and frame die respectively. From these two dies a large number of impressions were taken on small pieces of transfer paper and transferred on to two different series of lithographic stones; the head stones in blue and the frame stones in red.
On every stone there were 12 impressions; three rows of four, carefully synchronized to exact measurements to ensure that the 12 blue heads would fit exactly into the centres of the 12 red frames. At the first printing of these 4 anna stamps in October, 1854, at least 8 and possibly 12 head stones were thus prepared, and an equal number of frame stones.
When all these printing stones were ready, printing operations started, and the procedure was as follows:
One group of operators worked with the frame stones, using red pigment only, and printed the red frames on to sheets of paper which had been cut to the right size, and which had a characteristic oval watermark covering all the 12 impressions.
These sheets were then put aside to dry, and later taken by another group of operators working with the head stones, using blue pigment only. By very careful alignment of the half printed sheets, the heads were printed as precisely as possible into the centre of the red frames, thus completing the bi-coloured printing.
There were no perforations to bother about in 1854, but in the early printing the head stones also had blue wavy lines between and around the head impression. These were later omitted when (from April, 1855) the number of stamps per sheet was doubled.
As a general note; as time went by the 'precision' required to centre the heads became a little haphazard, consequently there are many examples were the Queen's portrait has shifted into the frame. Over time, wear and tear of the stones caused deterioration of print runs.
Through intense study of the various die states, most specimens can be identified and in the case of the 'inverted head' (24 known copies), forgeries can be readily identified.
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According to the Scott catalog, this was the only stamp in this 1922-1925 set that was engraved. As a result of the engraving and the colors, it stands out from the others stamps in the set.
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Keesindy, nice stamp, any history on who the "pretty lady" is.
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"Ningpo: Aden is my other main collecting interest."
Mine too, and I am still missing the last two (upper values) stamps of the first series of 1937. But as far as engraving is concerned, the second series issued 1939-1945 shows better engraving.
(and my scanner needs a bit of color correction! enlarged the upper values bicolors)
Aden was a vital British port and the post office was operated under an Indian Administrator in 1839. From 1839 to 1937 stamps of India were used in Aden.
Most Indian stamps from 1854 to 1935 can be found with an Aden postmark (Aden or the numerals 124, 125 or B-22). This may be the more interesting area to collect.
The stamps of Aden were no longer issued after it was incorporated into the South Arabian Federation. In turns, it became the Yemen People's Democratic Republic...and if one wants to look at a crazy local history (repeating itself again and again) look no further than the Yemen peninsula!
rrr...
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Fred, all I knew was that the lady is called "Malta" in the Scott catalog. However, I just found this site (https://vassallohistory.wordpress.com/national-symbols/). It says her name is "Melita." The article says, "The personification of Melita first appeared on 4 February 1899 on a postage stamp." She is said to be the "personification of Malta or the Maltese people."
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Malta was called Melita in the King James bible. The apostle Paul was shipwrecked there
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