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Both are Scott Catalogue NSW design A16 (5 shillings).
The stamp on the left is p11x12 so it is Scott #101b.
The stamp on the right is p13 but the color appears more ultra than Scott #44 varieties (dull violet or purple).
Could it be a color changeling? Or is there a more specific listing in the Specialized Scott Catalogue, or in Gibbons that shows this color variant?
Peter
edited to correct left and right descriptions; thanks KHJ!
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Hi cocollectibles;
The stamp on the left would have been printed from ink that has a combination of red/blue dyes to make violet ink. If the blue dye is mineral based and the red dye is vegetable based, it could be that sunlight erased the red dye, rendering the blue stamp, that you have.
Also somebody on here has a thread about certain colors that fade in sunlight much faster that other colors.
Just guessin'....
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Could be, Tusken. I even checked Barefoot to see if it was a fiscal issue, but it isn't.
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01:54:02pm
Here are the varieties as listed in my 2006 Scott Classic:
44. dull violet
a. purple
b. dull violet p. 12
c. purple p. 12
d. purple p. 10
e. purple p. 12 x 10
f. royal purple p. 13
g. deep rose lilac p. 10
h. rose lilac p. 10
i. purple p. 10 x 12
j. reddish purple p. 10
k. rose lilac p. 11
So based on the perforations it could possible be the royal purple variety that has faded.
All the best,
Alyn
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Thanks Alyn! I think you are probably correct.
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I've just checked my Gibbons catalogue and they too list twelve variations. However, the descriptions vary (there's a surprise). One other contender according to SG's listing is the P13 'deep rose-lilac' of 1875. As lilac is more on the blue side, your 'faded' example may fit better.
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Thanks Ningpo. Which Gibbons catalogue did you use? I know some are more specialized than others.
Peter
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I was using the Commonwealth & British Empire Stamps; 1840-1970 catalogue (2015). So nothing specialised.
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I have that one! I keep forgetting to check it. 
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I have Scott 44d. Perf 10. Just got it today. Very purple it is.
Cheers,
Eric
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"I have Scott 44d. Perf 10. Just got it today. Very purple it is."
It's difficult to tell, it could be a colour changeling Eric or an unlisted darker shade variety, I have a couple of unlisted shade varieties in my collection though none that early, but they do exist.
To be definite I would show it to a stamp dealer if possible.
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Well now that you mention it. There are three perf. 10 varieties of Scott 44 that would appear similar.
d. purple
h. rose lilac
j. reddish purple
And when I compare the stamp to color examples on the SG Colour Key I am now inclined to go with h. rose lilac.
Curiouser and curiouser.
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11:42:23am
I need some help identifying the stamp on the right.
Both are Scott Catalogue NSW design A16 (5 shillings).
The stamp on the left is p11x12 so it is Scott #101b.
The stamp on the right is p13 but the color appears more ultra than Scott #44 varieties (dull violet or purple).
Could it be a color changeling? Or is there a more specific listing in the Specialized Scott Catalogue, or in Gibbons that shows this color variant?
Peter
edited to correct left and right descriptions; thanks KHJ!
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re: New South Wales Scott A16 design, unlisted color?
Hi cocollectibles;
The stamp on the left would have been printed from ink that has a combination of red/blue dyes to make violet ink. If the blue dye is mineral based and the red dye is vegetable based, it could be that sunlight erased the red dye, rendering the blue stamp, that you have.
Also somebody on here has a thread about certain colors that fade in sunlight much faster that other colors.
Just guessin'....
TuskenRaider
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re: New South Wales Scott A16 design, unlisted color?
Could be, Tusken. I even checked Barefoot to see if it was a fiscal issue, but it isn't.
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09 Nov 2015
01:54:02pm
re: New South Wales Scott A16 design, unlisted color?
Here are the varieties as listed in my 2006 Scott Classic:
44. dull violet
a. purple
b. dull violet p. 12
c. purple p. 12
d. purple p. 10
e. purple p. 12 x 10
f. royal purple p. 13
g. deep rose lilac p. 10
h. rose lilac p. 10
i. purple p. 10 x 12
j. reddish purple p. 10
k. rose lilac p. 11
So based on the perforations it could possible be the royal purple variety that has faded.
All the best,
Alyn
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02:53:35pm
re: New South Wales Scott A16 design, unlisted color?
Thanks Alyn! I think you are probably correct.
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re: New South Wales Scott A16 design, unlisted color?
I've just checked my Gibbons catalogue and they too list twelve variations. However, the descriptions vary (there's a surprise). One other contender according to SG's listing is the P13 'deep rose-lilac' of 1875. As lilac is more on the blue side, your 'faded' example may fit better.
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05:36:26pm
re: New South Wales Scott A16 design, unlisted color?
Thanks Ningpo. Which Gibbons catalogue did you use? I know some are more specialized than others.
Peter
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re: New South Wales Scott A16 design, unlisted color?
I was using the Commonwealth & British Empire Stamps; 1840-1970 catalogue (2015). So nothing specialised.
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06:44:52pm
re: New South Wales Scott A16 design, unlisted color?
I have that one! I keep forgetting to check it.
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re: New South Wales Scott A16 design, unlisted color?
I have Scott 44d. Perf 10. Just got it today. Very purple it is.
Cheers,
Eric
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01:14:16am
re: New South Wales Scott A16 design, unlisted color?
"I have Scott 44d. Perf 10. Just got it today. Very purple it is."
It's difficult to tell, it could be a colour changeling Eric or an unlisted darker shade variety, I have a couple of unlisted shade varieties in my collection though none that early, but they do exist.
To be definite I would show it to a stamp dealer if possible.
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re: New South Wales Scott A16 design, unlisted color?
Well now that you mention it. There are three perf. 10 varieties of Scott 44 that would appear similar.
d. purple
h. rose lilac
j. reddish purple
And when I compare the stamp to color examples on the SG Colour Key I am now inclined to go with h. rose lilac.
Curiouser and curiouser.
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