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The top 3 stamps are all Portugal, 1887, (Scott #'s) 64, 65 (25 Reis)in Violet and 66 (25 Reis) in Lilac Rose. Please note the guy hanging out by himself on the bottom row. He's also a 25 Reis but Scott doesn't mention that color. This issue was reprinted in 1905, but the cancellation pretty much negates the 2nd printing.
Anybody have any idea?
Thanks,
Dakota
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Scott only says 1887 - no specific month/day.
Dakota
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Dakota,
If you wish, send me the large scan and I can reduce it for you.
Bob
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Here is a larger image of Dakota'sstamp:
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Michel does not mention it either. It might be a colour changeling, bleached from violet to blue either by sunlight or chemicals.
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Jan-Simon's postulation is what I thought also. I know nothing about Portuguese stamps, but a little about colors. I'm not used to violets changing, but some of the red and brown family are unstable in normal conditions.
incidentally, for a guy having trouble with scans, these are remarkably brilliant and clear.
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I don't believe it's a color changeling. When violet bleaches (I've seen only one example that I remember) it turns pink.
I did receive a pvt e-mail from somebody I don't know stating that these issues are in a bunch of colors including orange. I'm not negating the changeling theory - but want to hold off for a bit before relegating it to the damaged stamp bin.
Uh, the nice enlarged scan is due to Bob's manipulation, not mine - my scans are still muddy and difficult to see.
Dakota
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I believe it's a 1887 "King Luiz" -- Portugal A26. I have a lot of very old Scott volumes that are great for identification of these older stamps.
The 25 REIS is listed as either "violet" or "lilac rose" in color.
Very nice cancellation, by the way. Lovely!
Shawn Harvey
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I'd keep that stamp, Dakota (if old Portugal stamps were among my collecting interests). If we were to throw out all damaged goods, not to mention just stamps, I'd have been tossed in the dumpster years ago!
Any stamp has a number of positive and negative attributes, and most stamps are damaged in some way. If anyone thinks that have some perfect stamps, they should get them out on the next sunny day, put them in a spot of sunlight, and look at them under magnification. Scanning stamps at 800% of their actual size will accomplish much the same thing. I think you'll be surprised, and not all that pleased! Even if you do have a few "perfect" stamps, your collection will grow very slowly indeed if you always insist on "perfection".
In this case of Dakota's Portuguese stamp, while the damage is obvious (assuming that it is a changeling), the excellence of the cancel cannot be denied. It's a great looking, interesting stamp. Why not mount it with the others, indicating that it is probably a changeling? To me, such items add interest to a collection.
Bob
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A stamp like that would be ideal for a postmark collector where the quality of the stamp is secondary to that of the postmark - and you don't get many better quality of postmark than that!!Pity its not on cover or piece but you can't have everything!!
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Malcolm
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Plus, Dakota, you have heard only from non-Portuguese collectors. Just because we got more votes, doesn't mean we're right (see November 2 for broader explanation). Wait until you hear from a Portuguese or color expert; AND if you have the only stamp that turned that color, well, that's like finding the white porpoise isn't it.
Keep it (or auction it off; you've already got the pix).
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Hello America, I am Pauolo from Portugal and I think I know this answer. It is early morning here but I know this answer.
This stamp is called the King Luiz. It was given to the country for usual postal matters but it was given to others for daily mails.
It was given in the pink and purple for daily mails but it was also given for other matteres.
It was given on Yellow for the Braganca Royal fmaily to use it is very very rare to find. It was given to the British offices on Orange to use for official business. It was given on green for matteres of diplomactic reason.
The blue stamp was used for only church reason from the church in Viana do Castelo. You see the post stamp that says Certo. The post stamp say it is a certed or maybe you say register, It has only a few brother stamps of maybe 8 or 10 in collection of stamps collectors. It is most rare of colors of all colors.
I think you want to put in dispose but is very rare do not. I can not buy but I know serius collectores who can buy. Very rare. Please leave mesage here if you want to sell.
Best of new year to all.
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Pauolo:
Thank you for the reply, but I'm not interested in selling the stamp. I only wanted to know what it was and why it wasn't mentioned in the catalog. Now that I know, I think I'll put it back in my album - but in a mount and not hinged this time.
I didn't know that these were printed for special reasons/purposes.
Thank you again,
Dakota
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I'm not sure if a anyone can help identify this little fellow or not.
The top 3 stamps are all Portugal, 1887, (Scott #'s) 64, 65 (25 Reis)in Violet and 66 (25 Reis) in Lilac Rose. Please note the guy hanging out by himself on the bottom row. He's also a 25 Reis but Scott doesn't mention that color. This issue was reprinted in 1905, but the cancellation pretty much negates the 2nd printing.
Anybody have any idea?
Thanks,
Dakota
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re: Portugal: unusal 1887 issue color varities
Scott only says 1887 - no specific month/day.
Dakota
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08:44:45pm
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Dakota,
If you wish, send me the large scan and I can reduce it for you.
Bob
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09:18:04pm
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Here is a larger image of Dakota'sstamp:
Bob
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04:41:41am
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Michel does not mention it either. It might be a colour changeling, bleached from violet to blue either by sunlight or chemicals.
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06:57:52am
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Jan-Simon's postulation is what I thought also. I know nothing about Portuguese stamps, but a little about colors. I'm not used to violets changing, but some of the red and brown family are unstable in normal conditions.
incidentally, for a guy having trouble with scans, these are remarkably brilliant and clear.
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re: Portugal: unusal 1887 issue color varities
I don't believe it's a color changeling. When violet bleaches (I've seen only one example that I remember) it turns pink.
I did receive a pvt e-mail from somebody I don't know stating that these issues are in a bunch of colors including orange. I'm not negating the changeling theory - but want to hold off for a bit before relegating it to the damaged stamp bin.
Uh, the nice enlarged scan is due to Bob's manipulation, not mine - my scans are still muddy and difficult to see.
Dakota
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12:14:49pm
re: Portugal: unusal 1887 issue color varities
I believe it's a 1887 "King Luiz" -- Portugal A26. I have a lot of very old Scott volumes that are great for identification of these older stamps.
The 25 REIS is listed as either "violet" or "lilac rose" in color.
Very nice cancellation, by the way. Lovely!
Shawn Harvey
sparkinark@yahoo.com
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09:38:15pm
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I'd keep that stamp, Dakota (if old Portugal stamps were among my collecting interests). If we were to throw out all damaged goods, not to mention just stamps, I'd have been tossed in the dumpster years ago!
Any stamp has a number of positive and negative attributes, and most stamps are damaged in some way. If anyone thinks that have some perfect stamps, they should get them out on the next sunny day, put them in a spot of sunlight, and look at them under magnification. Scanning stamps at 800% of their actual size will accomplish much the same thing. I think you'll be surprised, and not all that pleased! Even if you do have a few "perfect" stamps, your collection will grow very slowly indeed if you always insist on "perfection".
In this case of Dakota's Portuguese stamp, while the damage is obvious (assuming that it is a changeling), the excellence of the cancel cannot be denied. It's a great looking, interesting stamp. Why not mount it with the others, indicating that it is probably a changeling? To me, such items add interest to a collection.
Bob
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04:33:06am
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A stamp like that would be ideal for a postmark collector where the quality of the stamp is secondary to that of the postmark - and you don't get many better quality of postmark than that!!Pity its not on cover or piece but you can't have everything!!
Regards
Malcolm
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12:40:17pm
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Plus, Dakota, you have heard only from non-Portuguese collectors. Just because we got more votes, doesn't mean we're right (see November 2 for broader explanation). Wait until you hear from a Portuguese or color expert; AND if you have the only stamp that turned that color, well, that's like finding the white porpoise isn't it.
Keep it (or auction it off; you've already got the pix).
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09:28:12pm
re: Portugal: unusal 1887 issue color varities
Hello America, I am Pauolo from Portugal and I think I know this answer. It is early morning here but I know this answer.
This stamp is called the King Luiz. It was given to the country for usual postal matters but it was given to others for daily mails.
It was given in the pink and purple for daily mails but it was also given for other matteres.
It was given on Yellow for the Braganca Royal fmaily to use it is very very rare to find. It was given to the British offices on Orange to use for official business. It was given on green for matteres of diplomactic reason.
The blue stamp was used for only church reason from the church in Viana do Castelo. You see the post stamp that says Certo. The post stamp say it is a certed or maybe you say register, It has only a few brother stamps of maybe 8 or 10 in collection of stamps collectors. It is most rare of colors of all colors.
I think you want to put in dispose but is very rare do not. I can not buy but I know serius collectores who can buy. Very rare. Please leave mesage here if you want to sell.
Best of new year to all.
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re: Portugal: unusal 1887 issue color varities
Pauolo:
Thank you for the reply, but I'm not interested in selling the stamp. I only wanted to know what it was and why it wasn't mentioned in the catalog. Now that I know, I think I'll put it back in my album - but in a mount and not hinged this time.
I didn't know that these were printed for special reasons/purposes.
Thank you again,
Dakota
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