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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Loose Ends (2) Austria postmark query

 

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malcolm197

04 Apr 2016
10:55:10am
I have a part postmark "der Drau" dating from 1978.

The only town shown in Wikipedia is Spittal an der Drau postcodes 9800,9701,9702.

However the postcode on the bottom of this stamp is xx12. The first digit appears to have a rounded top while the second digit is either 0,8 or 9 ( outside chance 6).

I immediately thought it might be 9812 - however this is for a different town, although it is local.

Also judging by the relative positions of the letters shown and the postcode the there are probably 10 -12 letters/spaces prior to the der. It could just be "Spittal an" but the postcode is wrong.Obviously all the references I have checked are current and 1978 was a long time ago!

Any brilliant ideas - or wild guesses ? Any Austrian members here?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Malcolm
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04 Apr 2016
11:05:10am
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malcolm197

04 Apr 2016
11:16:31am
re: Loose Ends (2) Austria postmark query

Now now you shouldn't be plagiarising a certain antipodeian stamp board. I will report you to Glen Stephens who might sue you for copyright violation !!

Malcolm

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04 Apr 2016
11:21:32am
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I have to agree with Ted on this one but anyway here are some candidates for your consideration:

Pirk an der Drau 9582

Spittal an der Drau 9800/9701/9702

Sankt Niklas an der Drau 9580

Mittewald an der Drau 9911

Feistritz an der Drau 9710

Kappel an der Drau 9162

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malcolm197

04 Apr 2016
12:53:40pm
re: Loose Ends (2) Austria postmark query

I think this is a non-starter.

9812 ( which is the most likely) is a village called Pusarnitz, which is part of another entity called Lurnfeld, near Spittal an der Drau. All current records I have accessed show neither of these sports the "an der drau" suffix ( although they are on the Drau). Pusarnitz is too long anyway, so either Lurnfeld or the all-encompassing Spittal must be the answer. As no part of the first name is visible ( why did I soak it off-piece ?) I have to conclude that it is an insufficient evidence case and relegate it to my duplicate stamps box.

Thanks again for taking the trouble. I will really have to get to grips with Photobucket.

Malcolm

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04 Apr 2016
01:15:21pm
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Hi Malcolm,

You don't need to use Photobucket here.

You can simply upload an image file directly using the "Upload Image" button.

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nigelc
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04 Apr 2016
01:32:01pm
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Don;t give up Malcolm!

I suggest that Fresach 9712 could be a good candidate.

I've not seen Fresach and der Drau listed in a gazetteer but it does return a Google hit in an estate agent's listing:

"Reizende Ferienhaushälfte in idyllischer Aussichtslage in Fresach an der Drau"

This suggests to me that it is in use as a local form of the name.

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malcolm197

13 Apr 2016
02:01:29pm
re: Loose Ends (2) Austria postmark query

Thank you very much ( sorry for not getting back before ). I think you could be right. I am sure that before the days of postcodes there were much more examples of common place names with suffixes to distinguish them. Of course they have possibly dropped them now that placeds can be identified by postcode. I suspect that this particular stamp dates from the erly days of postcode usage ( and perhaps the suffix was still being used). It would be interesting to see if a more modern postmark has had the suffix dropped.

On that well-known down-under board ( where postmarks are much collected on classic stamps0 there have been numerous examples of spelling changes over time, so it could be the case here. Also there are changes in jurisdiction which can cause changes.

Thanks again for your help!

Malcolm


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malcolm197

04 Apr 2016
10:55:10am

I have a part postmark "der Drau" dating from 1978.

The only town shown in Wikipedia is Spittal an der Drau postcodes 9800,9701,9702.

However the postcode on the bottom of this stamp is xx12. The first digit appears to have a rounded top while the second digit is either 0,8 or 9 ( outside chance 6).

I immediately thought it might be 9812 - however this is for a different town, although it is local.

Also judging by the relative positions of the letters shown and the postcode the there are probably 10 -12 letters/spaces prior to the der. It could just be "Spittal an" but the postcode is wrong.Obviously all the references I have checked are current and 1978 was a long time ago!

Any brilliant ideas - or wild guesses ? Any Austrian members here?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Malcolm

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04 Apr 2016
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malcolm197

04 Apr 2016
11:16:31am

re: Loose Ends (2) Austria postmark query

Now now you shouldn't be plagiarising a certain antipodeian stamp board. I will report you to Glen Stephens who might sue you for copyright violation !!

Malcolm

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nigelc

04 Apr 2016
11:21:32am

re: Loose Ends (2) Austria postmark query

I have to agree with Ted on this one but anyway here are some candidates for your consideration:

Pirk an der Drau 9582

Spittal an der Drau 9800/9701/9702

Sankt Niklas an der Drau 9580

Mittewald an der Drau 9911

Feistritz an der Drau 9710

Kappel an der Drau 9162

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malcolm197

04 Apr 2016
12:53:40pm

re: Loose Ends (2) Austria postmark query

I think this is a non-starter.

9812 ( which is the most likely) is a village called Pusarnitz, which is part of another entity called Lurnfeld, near Spittal an der Drau. All current records I have accessed show neither of these sports the "an der drau" suffix ( although they are on the Drau). Pusarnitz is too long anyway, so either Lurnfeld or the all-encompassing Spittal must be the answer. As no part of the first name is visible ( why did I soak it off-piece ?) I have to conclude that it is an insufficient evidence case and relegate it to my duplicate stamps box.

Thanks again for taking the trouble. I will really have to get to grips with Photobucket.

Malcolm

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nigelc

04 Apr 2016
01:15:21pm

re: Loose Ends (2) Austria postmark query

Hi Malcolm,

You don't need to use Photobucket here.

You can simply upload an image file directly using the "Upload Image" button.

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nigelc

04 Apr 2016
01:32:01pm

re: Loose Ends (2) Austria postmark query

Don;t give up Malcolm!

I suggest that Fresach 9712 could be a good candidate.

I've not seen Fresach and der Drau listed in a gazetteer but it does return a Google hit in an estate agent's listing:

"Reizende Ferienhaushälfte in idyllischer Aussichtslage in Fresach an der Drau"

This suggests to me that it is in use as a local form of the name.

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malcolm197

13 Apr 2016
02:01:29pm

re: Loose Ends (2) Austria postmark query

Thank you very much ( sorry for not getting back before ). I think you could be right. I am sure that before the days of postcodes there were much more examples of common place names with suffixes to distinguish them. Of course they have possibly dropped them now that placeds can be identified by postcode. I suspect that this particular stamp dates from the erly days of postcode usage ( and perhaps the suffix was still being used). It would be interesting to see if a more modern postmark has had the suffix dropped.

On that well-known down-under board ( where postmarks are much collected on classic stamps0 there have been numerous examples of spelling changes over time, so it could be the case here. Also there are changes in jurisdiction which can cause changes.

Thanks again for your help!

Malcolm


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