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Ist Class, with Security Slits but no Security overlay, looks to have 2 Phosphor Bands but no UV reaction and the perfs are about 9.
What a terrible forgery, but it appears to have gone through the postal system!!
These were also found in the same batch
They are both from 2010, both coded MRIL, one has security slits the other does not.
I believe the one with slits came from a coil, the one without could have come from a coil or a Prestige Booklet?
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Yes indeed the 1st Class is what is called a 'monkey Forgery' as a monkey could have done better , also note the security slits are all to pot ''broken at the top''
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Hi Jack
Long time no see. I was wondering how you were doing lately?
All the best
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Hi Ya me bonny Laddie...hey I have 4 or 5 Canada high value plate blocks if yer interested
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Hi Jack
Always interested in Canadian plate blocks. Can you email me at muskokapost@gmail .com
Hope to see you in a chat some day soon.
Chimo
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Congrats on a cool find! Great catch and good eye! Wear the name 'philatelist' proudly.
Stamporama seems to be charmed - so many of our members find neat stuff like Saleem's imperf 10c USA stamps, Michael found the right side up Jennies, and little old me found that Irish recall. Next time Tim asks for pics for the upper left, submit a pic and add it to our 'teams' gallery!
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Here is another nice addition to my collections Missing '' £ ''
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I found this forgery. The postie has even pen cancelled it and allowed it to go through the system.
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Here is another one coded M13L, MTIL. It is quite good but there is no phosphor reaction and the Die Cuts are subtely more "wavy".
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One word ''FORGERY''
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Must be a good month for finding items. Have just come across this 24p while sorting. The possible forgery is on the left with normal on the right. The surface seems to be much more shiny than normal.UV light seems to give little or no glow.
Can any of our Machin experts confirm or deny this for me? It is a shame that the person who tore it from the envelope managed to tear the stamp somewhat.
Thought please.
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The 24p red brown appears on ACPB ( advanced coated paper bright) and ACPD (advanced coated paper dull). However there are intermediate states. These can only be id'd with uv. There are also Questa litho printings from prestige booklets (with and without 2 phosphor bands).It has to be said that the chances of finding these other than used for philatelic purposes is most unlikely. Also check there are booklet stamps with straight edge left and right, and stamps with screening dots across the value. Check the on-line Connoisseur catalogue for details
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Thanks Malcolm but it was the lousy perfs that seem out of place. The stamp is quite unlike any of the other few hundred that I have sorted.
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There are several (postal) forgeries of this stamp - one is approx perf 11. The forgers offered these to corner shop type agencies at lower prices than the genuine Royal Mail issues and many found their way onto mail.
Used stamps having already defrauded the revenue are acceptable to collect. Mint stamps I would suggest it is illegal to possess.
Details of the forgeries appear in the Connoisseur paper catalogue - I don't know about on-line.
Malcolm
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Seen the 24p sold on E-Bay several times .
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Further to my earlier post on the 24p possible forgery there is currently a mint block of 4 on offer from Ozzie seller on ebay, these look very similar to the image I posted above. link to item http://www.ebay.ca/itm/GREAT-BRITAIN-Early-1990s-24p-Machin-FORGERY-Mint-Unhinged-Block-of-4-/162144567378?hash=item25c091c052:g:UOYAAOSwdzVXkfFZ
On another ebay listing by a Russian Federation seller are number of Machins with a double zero value, there is no note of them being forgeries but they do not look correct. Here is a link to them http://www.ebay.ca/itm/GREAT-BRITAIN-1997-Machin-00p-5p-MNH-/262542767390?hash=item3d20c4b51e:g:wqUAAOSwk1JWcsx
Any thoughts folks?
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I review latest forgeries here ...
http://gbmachex.blogspot.ca/
the latest is £1 brown to be reviewed in Bookmark Journal 46 MBPC
www.mbp-circle.co.uk/main_menu.asp
I also invite you to join facebook group >
https://www.facebook.com/groups/machincollecting/
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Sorting again today and found this 19p which stood out for not being the glossy flame orange colour, more pale like the 25p salmon pink. The Queens image seems to have a whiter quality compared to the normal. The questionable stamp is on the left.
Any thoughts anyone?
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Could be sun bleached or chemical/water damage.
The postmark appears to be faded as well.
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10:45:19am
Yes, the perfs are not just the clue, but virtually seal the deal.
I have several of these 24p rust counterfeits,
usually on paper with a 1p dark maroon,
some a 1p Enschelde Gravure and one a Quests Litho,
since the 24p regular letter rate changed
shortly after the bogus issue was produced,
( About 1992-'93) to 25p ( 1993-'96.)
I also have an entire contemporary used
with the two stamps tied to what appears to be
a genuine regular letter usage.
Counterfeiting regular stamps seems to be a cottage industry
and I suppose, if you are careful,
reasonably profitable.
It does give Machinstas something to be aware of and seek to add "colour"
to the pages of QE II heads in an album.
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the pale 19p is cyl B10 HARRISON
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Thank you Mack, for that information it just stood out from the masses that I had been sorting through.
I must admit I had not looked at the difference in value type/measurements, seems so obvious after you point it out.
Very grateful for your input and yet another variation to make space for on the page. When I get that far!
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I just found this in a bunch of kiloware
Ist Class, with Security Slits but no Security overlay, looks to have 2 Phosphor Bands but no UV reaction and the perfs are about 9.
What a terrible forgery, but it appears to have gone through the postal system!!
These were also found in the same batch
They are both from 2010, both coded MRIL, one has security slits the other does not.
I believe the one with slits came from a coil, the one without could have come from a coil or a Prestige Booklet?
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Hi,
Yes indeed the 1st Class is what is called a 'monkey Forgery' as a monkey could have done better , also note the security slits are all to pot ''broken at the top''
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Hi Jack
Long time no see. I was wondering how you were doing lately?
All the best
Chimo
Bujutsu (aka Katanaman)
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re: Machin Find
Hi Ya me bonny Laddie...hey I have 4 or 5 Canada high value plate blocks if yer interested
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re: Machin Find
Hi Jack
Always interested in Canadian plate blocks. Can you email me at muskokapost@gmail .com
Hope to see you in a chat some day soon.
Chimo
Bujutsu
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re: Machin Find
Congrats on a cool find! Great catch and good eye! Wear the name 'philatelist' proudly.
Stamporama seems to be charmed - so many of our members find neat stuff like Saleem's imperf 10c USA stamps, Michael found the right side up Jennies, and little old me found that Irish recall. Next time Tim asks for pics for the upper left, submit a pic and add it to our 'teams' gallery!
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Here is another nice addition to my collections Missing '' £ ''
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I found this forgery. The postie has even pen cancelled it and allowed it to go through the system.
.
.
.
Here is another one coded M13L, MTIL. It is quite good but there is no phosphor reaction and the Die Cuts are subtely more "wavy".
.
.
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re: Machin Find
Must be a good month for finding items. Have just come across this 24p while sorting. The possible forgery is on the left with normal on the right. The surface seems to be much more shiny than normal.UV light seems to give little or no glow.
Can any of our Machin experts confirm or deny this for me? It is a shame that the person who tore it from the envelope managed to tear the stamp somewhat.
Thought please.
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09:59:13pm
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The 24p red brown appears on ACPB ( advanced coated paper bright) and ACPD (advanced coated paper dull). However there are intermediate states. These can only be id'd with uv. There are also Questa litho printings from prestige booklets (with and without 2 phosphor bands).It has to be said that the chances of finding these other than used for philatelic purposes is most unlikely. Also check there are booklet stamps with straight edge left and right, and stamps with screening dots across the value. Check the on-line Connoisseur catalogue for details
Malcolm
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Thanks Malcolm but it was the lousy perfs that seem out of place. The stamp is quite unlike any of the other few hundred that I have sorted.
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There are several (postal) forgeries of this stamp - one is approx perf 11. The forgers offered these to corner shop type agencies at lower prices than the genuine Royal Mail issues and many found their way onto mail.
Used stamps having already defrauded the revenue are acceptable to collect. Mint stamps I would suggest it is illegal to possess.
Details of the forgeries appear in the Connoisseur paper catalogue - I don't know about on-line.
Malcolm
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re: Machin Find
Seen the 24p sold on E-Bay several times .
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Further to my earlier post on the 24p possible forgery there is currently a mint block of 4 on offer from Ozzie seller on ebay, these look very similar to the image I posted above. link to item http://www.ebay.ca/itm/GREAT-BRITAIN-Early-1990s-24p-Machin-FORGERY-Mint-Unhinged-Block-of-4-/162144567378?hash=item25c091c052:g:UOYAAOSwdzVXkfFZ
On another ebay listing by a Russian Federation seller are number of Machins with a double zero value, there is no note of them being forgeries but they do not look correct. Here is a link to them http://www.ebay.ca/itm/GREAT-BRITAIN-1997-Machin-00p-5p-MNH-/262542767390?hash=item3d20c4b51e:g:wqUAAOSwk1JWcsx
Any thoughts folks?
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re: Machin Find
I review latest forgeries here ...
http://gbmachex.blogspot.ca/
the latest is £1 brown to be reviewed in Bookmark Journal 46 MBPC
www.mbp-circle.co.uk/main_menu.asp
I also invite you to join facebook group >
https://www.facebook.com/groups/machincollecting/
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re: Machin Find
Sorting again today and found this 19p which stood out for not being the glossy flame orange colour, more pale like the 25p salmon pink. The Queens image seems to have a whiter quality compared to the normal. The questionable stamp is on the left.
Any thoughts anyone?
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10:45:19am
re: Machin Find
Yes, the perfs are not just the clue, but virtually seal the deal.
I have several of these 24p rust counterfeits,
usually on paper with a 1p dark maroon,
some a 1p Enschelde Gravure and one a Quests Litho,
since the 24p regular letter rate changed
shortly after the bogus issue was produced,
( About 1992-'93) to 25p ( 1993-'96.)
I also have an entire contemporary used
with the two stamps tied to what appears to be
a genuine regular letter usage.
Counterfeiting regular stamps seems to be a cottage industry
and I suppose, if you are careful,
reasonably profitable.
It does give Machinstas something to be aware of and seek to add "colour"
to the pages of QE II heads in an album.
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re: Machin Find
Thank you Mack, for that information it just stood out from the masses that I had been sorting through.
I must admit I had not looked at the difference in value type/measurements, seems so obvious after you point it out.
Very grateful for your input and yet another variation to make space for on the page. When I get that far!
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