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U2921 2p Deep Green M12L
U2921 2p Deep Green M14L
U2921 2p Deep Green M15L
U2921 2p Deep Green M16L
as there are now 4 different stamps all carrying the same SG Cat Number I would have thought why not add variant letter thus
U2921a 2p Deep Green M12L
U2921b 2p Deep Green M14L
U2921c 2p Deep Green M15L
U2921d 2p Deep Green M16L
after all they are different.
you're views please.
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As a used Machin collector I am afraid that I ignore Gibbons altogether.
In my opinion it is pure lazyness on their part - after all they don't stock the things anyway and have no understanding what makes Machin collectors "tick".Or perhaps they are worried that after 26 years they will run out of suffixes! ( not that Her Majesty will be around after 26 years).
This is what happens when you are expected to use a catalogue as the bible. Even the most complex of catalogues is only a guide and a starting point for your own research. As I said in the Scott v. SG thread, philately starts where the catalogue ends.
Fortunately there are plenty of online resources to help.
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Hello,
Yes I agree 100% that SG being so full of their own importance are as you say plain lazy or just don't have a clue as to how a construction of a simple list would even look like I find like you that 1. the price being charged is greatly inflated for those who collect machins as a specialist subject, I have on several occasions written to SG publications highlighting their failure to list ALL machin issues then indeed again as you say it would be a bible. Yes you guessed it it's all a money making exercise,I personally use Douglas Mayall's numbering system where each stamp is given a unique number these include variants, all and all for the small cost for his DVD I have pretty much dumped SG in the bin. One other point regarding SG Numbering they give stamps within special booklets (DX) series the same number as a sheet stamp ...wrong it's a totally different stamp because of it's source so a suffix a b c ect. would identify the stamp/s thus making them unique.
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I actually think that SG have given up on Machins and are just going through the motions for the benefit of general collectors.
The problem with SG and general collectors (particularly in respect of the Simplified catalogues, but also with Machins ) is that they haven't really got to grips with the fact that as a result of the children dropping out of the game, all-world general collectors are no longer just "face-different" and while we do not pursue a specialist collection of one country we do like to look at the stamps we do have beyond the basics.
I have 3 volumes of used Machins plus one of regionals, and while I do not chase the elusive ones voraciously I do closely examine every stamp that comes my way in comparison to what I already have. The same applies to every other stamp from every other counttry.
I suspect that the "Stamps of the World" is aimed at public libraries so than non-collectors can "value" their inherited possessions, and have very little utility for anyone else !
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09:05:29am
".... philately starts where the catalogue ends. .... "
Worth repeating or making it a living motto.
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SGS numbers are given in GSM ... as a section update
policy of Myall and Jeffries is similar ... unless a mint example is seen, not appended.
there are many machins not included in HB4. I use dbase record # for my personal finds ...
otherwise, sutherland of au offers concordance lists ... simple and specialised
http://www.sutherlandphilatelics.com.au/GB_n_Channel%20Islands_price%20lists.htm
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For the benefit of collectors of modern Greece, and with reference to GSM's monthly update of the catalogue:
The person illustrated on Greece 2950 (21 April 2016, the 5c), is not, as stated, 'Sotiris Paraskevaides'. It is actually Napoleon Soukatzidis (as it visibly states on the side of the stamp).
Therefore Greece 2952, the 1 euro, is not Soukatzidis, as stated, but most probably Paraskevaides. Heigh ho.
(Mr S. was murdered by the Nazis in 1944, so gets a place in my collection. I can't find anything about Mr P.)
Lazy work on the part of the catalogue editor, presumably repeating an error supplied by the Greek postal service. Laziness all round.
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So Gibbons gets it doubly wrong, then. Yet the listing in the current GSM follows the illogical order below the specifications, including the ridiculous "Tucson" for "Tousis" (actually Gibbons can't spell the Arizona city, and writes "Tuscon" instead).
But then again, the automatic translation machine responsible for "Tucson" also gives us "God Kostas".
God help us, more like.
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As you may know the following SG Cat Number applies to
U2921 2p Deep Green M12L
U2921 2p Deep Green M14L
U2921 2p Deep Green M15L
U2921 2p Deep Green M16L
as there are now 4 different stamps all carrying the same SG Cat Number I would have thought why not add variant letter thus
U2921a 2p Deep Green M12L
U2921b 2p Deep Green M14L
U2921c 2p Deep Green M15L
U2921d 2p Deep Green M16L
after all they are different.
you're views please.
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01:16:36am
re: SG Numbering
As a used Machin collector I am afraid that I ignore Gibbons altogether.
In my opinion it is pure lazyness on their part - after all they don't stock the things anyway and have no understanding what makes Machin collectors "tick".Or perhaps they are worried that after 26 years they will run out of suffixes! ( not that Her Majesty will be around after 26 years).
This is what happens when you are expected to use a catalogue as the bible. Even the most complex of catalogues is only a guide and a starting point for your own research. As I said in the Scott v. SG thread, philately starts where the catalogue ends.
Fortunately there are plenty of online resources to help.
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re: SG Numbering
Hello,
Yes I agree 100% that SG being so full of their own importance are as you say plain lazy or just don't have a clue as to how a construction of a simple list would even look like I find like you that 1. the price being charged is greatly inflated for those who collect machins as a specialist subject, I have on several occasions written to SG publications highlighting their failure to list ALL machin issues then indeed again as you say it would be a bible. Yes you guessed it it's all a money making exercise,I personally use Douglas Mayall's numbering system where each stamp is given a unique number these include variants, all and all for the small cost for his DVD I have pretty much dumped SG in the bin. One other point regarding SG Numbering they give stamps within special booklets (DX) series the same number as a sheet stamp ...wrong it's a totally different stamp because of it's source so a suffix a b c ect. would identify the stamp/s thus making them unique.
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07:04:38am
re: SG Numbering
I actually think that SG have given up on Machins and are just going through the motions for the benefit of general collectors.
The problem with SG and general collectors (particularly in respect of the Simplified catalogues, but also with Machins ) is that they haven't really got to grips with the fact that as a result of the children dropping out of the game, all-world general collectors are no longer just "face-different" and while we do not pursue a specialist collection of one country we do like to look at the stamps we do have beyond the basics.
I have 3 volumes of used Machins plus one of regionals, and while I do not chase the elusive ones voraciously I do closely examine every stamp that comes my way in comparison to what I already have. The same applies to every other stamp from every other counttry.
I suspect that the "Stamps of the World" is aimed at public libraries so than non-collectors can "value" their inherited possessions, and have very little utility for anyone else !
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09:05:29am
re: SG Numbering
".... philately starts where the catalogue ends. .... "
Worth repeating or making it a living motto.
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re: SG Numbering
SGS numbers are given in GSM ... as a section update
policy of Myall and Jeffries is similar ... unless a mint example is seen, not appended.
there are many machins not included in HB4. I use dbase record # for my personal finds ...
otherwise, sutherland of au offers concordance lists ... simple and specialised
http://www.sutherlandphilatelics.com.au/GB_n_Channel%20Islands_price%20lists.htm
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re: SG Numbering
For the benefit of collectors of modern Greece, and with reference to GSM's monthly update of the catalogue:
The person illustrated on Greece 2950 (21 April 2016, the 5c), is not, as stated, 'Sotiris Paraskevaides'. It is actually Napoleon Soukatzidis (as it visibly states on the side of the stamp).
Therefore Greece 2952, the 1 euro, is not Soukatzidis, as stated, but most probably Paraskevaides. Heigh ho.
(Mr S. was murdered by the Nazis in 1944, so gets a place in my collection. I can't find anything about Mr P.)
Lazy work on the part of the catalogue editor, presumably repeating an error supplied by the Greek postal service. Laziness all round.
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re: SG Numbering
So Gibbons gets it doubly wrong, then. Yet the listing in the current GSM follows the illogical order below the specifications, including the ridiculous "Tucson" for "Tousis" (actually Gibbons can't spell the Arizona city, and writes "Tuscon" instead).
But then again, the automatic translation machine responsible for "Tucson" also gives us "God Kostas".
God help us, more like.
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