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General Philatelic/Supplies, Literature & Software : US classic stamps

 

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zener4u

04 Oct 2016
09:04:55pm
I have been a collector on and off 30+ years but have not delve into pre 1930's stamps until now. Wanting to learn more about the earlier stamps and appropiate identification. I recently purchased the Scott identification guide to US stamps, while this has helped some, seems still bit lacking. I have not looked at or seen a general Scott catalog since the early 80's, should I invest in new US Specialized stamp catalog? Currently $95, is there much help in this arena? Maybe an older catalog? Suggestions would be appreciated. I use the Ezstamp program to inventory and track my collection, so I'm not really needing a price guide per se. Just didn't want to spend $95 bucks on something thats not going to help. Many thanks
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04 Oct 2016
09:13:13pm
re: US classic stamps

No need to go completely new, in my opinion.

Many Scott Specialized are for sale on Ebay that are 3-5 years old or more for very reasonable pricing.

If you only need it for identifying U.S. classic stamps, this would be ideal for you.

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04 Oct 2016
09:48:51pm

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re: US classic stamps

I agree with musicman. An older Scotts Specialized will do just fine. However, I also recommend The Micarelli Identification Guide to U.S. Stamps Regular Issues 1847-1934 by Charles N. Micarelli. It is also a Scott publication and gives a lot more detail than the Scotts Specialized.

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04 Oct 2016
09:56:00pm
re: US classic stamps

Good suggestion, Mel.

And it's available here:
http://www.ihobb.com/p/PHILATELIC_BOOKSTORE/Z802.html



It just depends on how in-depth Larry wants to go and how soon.

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04 Oct 2016
10:17:35pm
re: US classic stamps

"I also recommend The Micarelli Identification Guide to U.S. Stamps Regular Issues 1847-1934 by Charles N. Micarelli."



Just FYI, the most recent printing of this book is the 6th edition. Since Mr. Micarelli passed away last year (I believe), there may not be another edition.
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zener4u

05 Oct 2016
06:28:29pm
re: US classic stamps

Thanks to all that responded, I do have the book Identification Guide To U.S. Stamps by Charles Micarelli, good info, consise, but heres my catch...I have a 1 cent Benjamin Franklin that was given to me, pretty much trashed as they had used tape on it and bled thru, narrowed to either a #156 or #182. I purchased a set of stamps that where in a dealer approval card so I have one that was listed as #156 and three with #182, thought I was going to be able to tell the difference in sound because the #182 is soft paper and #156 hard, not much luck there, I flicked it like the book suggested, they all sounded bout the same...uggg. This harder than I thought it was going to be. I realize that the #156 stamp card may be misnumbered and is complicating things, but is there not any thing else to distinguish these two types than a paper flick test? Should I find a book on stamp paper types? I do happen to have a disecting microscope (homeschool days) and could study the back of the stamp to see which paper types match. Any thoughts and or suggestions, thanks

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zener4u

05 Oct 2016
06:36:50pm
re: US classic stamps

Since I have the book Identification Guide To U.S. Stamps Regular Issues 1847-1934 by Charles Micarelli is the Scott book U.S. Specialized Catalog going to help me much or do I just need to patient with the book I have? His book did help on 3 or 4 other stamps with needing identification. Thanks

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05 Oct 2016
09:20:26pm
re: US classic stamps

Larry,

Here's another way to distinguish between paper types;

using strong magnification (magnifier or microscope) look at the tips of the perforations.

There is a noticeable difference between hard and soft papers, with the soft paper having many more fibers at the tips than the hard paper.

Also, the hard paper is somewhat translucent.
Soft paper is opaque with a thicker look and feel.

Hope this helps Happy

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rjan
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05 Oct 2016
09:36:34pm
re: US classic stamps

The joy of old stamps is there were great ID sources years ago. I use a circa 1955 hard cover US specialized catalog for early US issues. It gives me oversized examples for typing early US issues.

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larsdog
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09 Oct 2016
07:21:56pm
re: US classic stamps

I use two sources:

Lester Brookman's 3 volume reference for 19th Century

and

Max Johl's 2 volume reference for early 20th Century - but I only have the first volume (thru 3rd Bureau) because things get a LOT easier after that.

The only thing you need a modern Scott Specialized for is current catalog numbers, and a 3 or 4 year old copy will be 99.9% accurate.

I will add that a Durland plate number catalog has come in handy many times. I will often use plate numbers as impromptu certificates of authenticity after consulting with the Durland Catalog.

Lars

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10 Oct 2016
06:10:49pm
re: US classic stamps

You need to learn to distinguish hard paper from soft porous paper by sight using back lighting. There are plenty of online sources for this information so I won't repeat.

From Google I searched on "stamps hard vs soft porous paper" and the first hit was Kenmore site, admittedly not the best, but a start.

https://www.kenmorestamp.com/1870-hard-paper

There have been plenty of discussions on the stamp community family forum (SCF) on this topic with illustrations. In fact, the second search hit takes me to an SCF thread which redirects to the 1847usa site, now hosted on stampsmarter. So go to the new 1847usa home page:

http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847_landing.html

and then, noticing there are two "columns" of links on the home page, go to the second column, third row and click the link titled "PAPER TYPES of the 19TH Century U.S. Stamps".

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zener4u

04 Oct 2016
09:04:55pm

I have been a collector on and off 30+ years but have not delve into pre 1930's stamps until now. Wanting to learn more about the earlier stamps and appropiate identification. I recently purchased the Scott identification guide to US stamps, while this has helped some, seems still bit lacking. I have not looked at or seen a general Scott catalog since the early 80's, should I invest in new US Specialized stamp catalog? Currently $95, is there much help in this arena? Maybe an older catalog? Suggestions would be appreciated. I use the Ezstamp program to inventory and track my collection, so I'm not really needing a price guide per se. Just didn't want to spend $95 bucks on something thats not going to help. Many thanks

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musicman

APS #213005
04 Oct 2016
09:13:13pm

re: US classic stamps

No need to go completely new, in my opinion.

Many Scott Specialized are for sale on Ebay that are 3-5 years old or more for very reasonable pricing.

If you only need it for identifying U.S. classic stamps, this would be ideal for you.

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mbo1142

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04 Oct 2016
09:48:51pm

Approvals

re: US classic stamps

I agree with musicman. An older Scotts Specialized will do just fine. However, I also recommend The Micarelli Identification Guide to U.S. Stamps Regular Issues 1847-1934 by Charles N. Micarelli. It is also a Scott publication and gives a lot more detail than the Scotts Specialized.

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musicman

APS #213005
04 Oct 2016
09:56:00pm

re: US classic stamps

Good suggestion, Mel.

And it's available here:
http://www.ihobb.com/p/PHILATELIC_BOOKSTORE/Z802.html



It just depends on how in-depth Larry wants to go and how soon.

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michael78651

04 Oct 2016
10:17:35pm

re: US classic stamps

"I also recommend The Micarelli Identification Guide to U.S. Stamps Regular Issues 1847-1934 by Charles N. Micarelli."



Just FYI, the most recent printing of this book is the 6th edition. Since Mr. Micarelli passed away last year (I believe), there may not be another edition.
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zener4u

05 Oct 2016
06:28:29pm

re: US classic stamps

Thanks to all that responded, I do have the book Identification Guide To U.S. Stamps by Charles Micarelli, good info, consise, but heres my catch...I have a 1 cent Benjamin Franklin that was given to me, pretty much trashed as they had used tape on it and bled thru, narrowed to either a #156 or #182. I purchased a set of stamps that where in a dealer approval card so I have one that was listed as #156 and three with #182, thought I was going to be able to tell the difference in sound because the #182 is soft paper and #156 hard, not much luck there, I flicked it like the book suggested, they all sounded bout the same...uggg. This harder than I thought it was going to be. I realize that the #156 stamp card may be misnumbered and is complicating things, but is there not any thing else to distinguish these two types than a paper flick test? Should I find a book on stamp paper types? I do happen to have a disecting microscope (homeschool days) and could study the back of the stamp to see which paper types match. Any thoughts and or suggestions, thanks

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zener4u

05 Oct 2016
06:36:50pm

re: US classic stamps

Since I have the book Identification Guide To U.S. Stamps Regular Issues 1847-1934 by Charles Micarelli is the Scott book U.S. Specialized Catalog going to help me much or do I just need to patient with the book I have? His book did help on 3 or 4 other stamps with needing identification. Thanks

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musicman

APS #213005
05 Oct 2016
09:20:26pm

re: US classic stamps

Larry,

Here's another way to distinguish between paper types;

using strong magnification (magnifier or microscope) look at the tips of the perforations.

There is a noticeable difference between hard and soft papers, with the soft paper having many more fibers at the tips than the hard paper.

Also, the hard paper is somewhat translucent.
Soft paper is opaque with a thicker look and feel.

Hope this helps Happy

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rjan

05 Oct 2016
09:36:34pm

re: US classic stamps

The joy of old stamps is there were great ID sources years ago. I use a circa 1955 hard cover US specialized catalog for early US issues. It gives me oversized examples for typing early US issues.

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larsdog

APS #220693 ATA#57179
09 Oct 2016
07:21:56pm

re: US classic stamps

I use two sources:

Lester Brookman's 3 volume reference for 19th Century

and

Max Johl's 2 volume reference for early 20th Century - but I only have the first volume (thru 3rd Bureau) because things get a LOT easier after that.

The only thing you need a modern Scott Specialized for is current catalog numbers, and a 3 or 4 year old copy will be 99.9% accurate.

I will add that a Durland plate number catalog has come in handy many times. I will often use plate numbers as impromptu certificates of authenticity after consulting with the Durland Catalog.

Lars

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HungaryForStamps

10 Oct 2016
06:10:49pm

re: US classic stamps

You need to learn to distinguish hard paper from soft porous paper by sight using back lighting. There are plenty of online sources for this information so I won't repeat.

From Google I searched on "stamps hard vs soft porous paper" and the first hit was Kenmore site, admittedly not the best, but a start.

https://www.kenmorestamp.com/1870-hard-paper

There have been plenty of discussions on the stamp community family forum (SCF) on this topic with illustrations. In fact, the second search hit takes me to an SCF thread which redirects to the 1847usa site, now hosted on stampsmarter. So go to the new 1847usa home page:

http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847_landing.html

and then, noticing there are two "columns" of links on the home page, go to the second column, third row and click the link titled "PAPER TYPES of the 19TH Century U.S. Stamps".

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