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Adam,
Looks like Thurn and Taxis, 1850's or 1860's. Several color variations of what at a casual glance seem to be the same design. Check Mitch's page:
http://mitch.seymourfamily.com/mward/collection/europe/germanstate/thurn02.jpg
I learned just now that the "Kreuzer" currency was used by southern German States and Austria.
-Steve
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Stanley Gibbons lists ten 9k values in this Thurn and Taxis design from 1852 to 1866, not counting 1910 reprints which have 'N.D.' on the back.
They are as follows:
58 9k on yellow
59 9k on yellow-buff - both imperf., black impression 29 Jan 1852
64 9k orange-yellow
65 9k yellow - both imperf., coloured impression, January 1860
72 9k bistre
73 9k brown - both imperf., 1863
77 9k bistre
78 9k bistre-brown - both rouletted 16, uncoloured, July 1865
83 9k yellow-bistre
84 9k yellow-ochre - both rouletted 16, coloured, 31 August 1866
I'm not even competent on material this old, but I'd go for a 64 if pressed.
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The "207" postmark is from Langenschwalbach (now Bad Schwalbach) in Hesse.
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Interesting that there are so many different color varieties. I would imagine the color mixing varied from print run to print run. Also stamps can fade over time making identification difficult.
I came across a paper online discussing a scientific study of the inks for one particular USA issue (1851 3 cent). Maybe we will see more studies like this over time.
https://repository.si.edu/bitstream/handle/10088/21398/07.AllenandLera.SCHT57_Lera_web_FINAL.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
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The SG # mentioned would not be color varieties, they are specific issues each with their own characteristics. There are color varieties within each issue
This seems to be the truer color after correction
It is not an Mi10 (SG58) (full background color) or Mi23 (SG64) as these are quite "yellow" & $$$
Mi 10a Type II & Mi23 TII
It is not either an Mi44 (SG77) or Mi54 (SG83)as the rouletted perfs and colored lines are very noticeable
That pretty well leaves the Mi34 (SG72)
and from the shape of the s in Deutsch it appears to be a Mi 34 TypeI (SG 72) with as noted, a Langenschwalb cancel
Both the stamp & cancel exhibit genuine traits
It is fairly low value even for a good specimen. The numerical cancel of which there are over 400 can add value and some people attempt to collect samples of all of them. They are however EXTENSIVELY faked.
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Adam,
Looks like Thurn and Taxis, 1850's or 1860's. Several color variations of what at a casual glance seem to be the same design. Check Mitch's page:
http://mitch.seymourfamily.com/mward/collection/europe/germanstate/thurn02.jpg
I learned just now that the "Kreuzer" currency was used by southern German States and Austria.
-Steve
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Stanley Gibbons lists ten 9k values in this Thurn and Taxis design from 1852 to 1866, not counting 1910 reprints which have 'N.D.' on the back.
They are as follows:
58 9k on yellow
59 9k on yellow-buff - both imperf., black impression 29 Jan 1852
64 9k orange-yellow
65 9k yellow - both imperf., coloured impression, January 1860
72 9k bistre
73 9k brown - both imperf., 1863
77 9k bistre
78 9k bistre-brown - both rouletted 16, uncoloured, July 1865
83 9k yellow-bistre
84 9k yellow-ochre - both rouletted 16, coloured, 31 August 1866
I'm not even competent on material this old, but I'd go for a 64 if pressed.
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The "207" postmark is from Langenschwalbach (now Bad Schwalbach) in Hesse.
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Interesting that there are so many different color varieties. I would imagine the color mixing varied from print run to print run. Also stamps can fade over time making identification difficult.
I came across a paper online discussing a scientific study of the inks for one particular USA issue (1851 3 cent). Maybe we will see more studies like this over time.
https://repository.si.edu/bitstream/handle/10088/21398/07.AllenandLera.SCHT57_Lera_web_FINAL.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
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The SG # mentioned would not be color varieties, they are specific issues each with their own characteristics. There are color varieties within each issue
This seems to be the truer color after correction
It is not an Mi10 (SG58) (full background color) or Mi23 (SG64) as these are quite "yellow" & $$$
Mi 10a Type II & Mi23 TII
It is not either an Mi44 (SG77) or Mi54 (SG83)as the rouletted perfs and colored lines are very noticeable
That pretty well leaves the Mi34 (SG72)
and from the shape of the s in Deutsch it appears to be a Mi 34 TypeI (SG 72) with as noted, a Langenschwalb cancel
Both the stamp & cancel exhibit genuine traits
It is fairly low value even for a good specimen. The numerical cancel of which there are over 400 can add value and some people attempt to collect samples of all of them. They are however EXTENSIVELY faked.
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