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United States/BOB & Other : Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

 

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Tonyb

25 Nov 2016
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Image Not FoundHi all this is my first post on here and I am also new to the stamp collecting world. I would like to know if the this Lincoln stamp has any extra value because of the face being printed on the bottom and also do you think this E6 has any value in this condition? thank you all for reading my post.

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25 Nov 2016
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re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

If you are new to stamp collecting, do not worry about "value". Just collect stamps and learn about them and the hobby first.

To answer your question, no, neither of the stamps are worth anything. The Lincoln stamp is very common, and the special delivery stamp is severely damaged.

The link below will give you plenty of information about the hobby:

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25 Nov 2016
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Thank you for the information Michael! I was sort of thrusted into the hobby a few weeks ago. When I found someone's collection in the trash. The Person past away and I guess the family didn't want to mess with them. I have over 20,000 stamps to sort, lots are hinged in books, while others were left out to perish in garbage bags! I have a lot of postcards as well, Some are that of the 1911 vin fiz. with a Nov 21 1912 cancellation from Longbeach CA post office where the wreck site was. I am hoping to find one of those stamps Happy but not holding my breath lol!


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25 Nov 2016
01:06:46pm
re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Anglophile how did that image get on the back? It's not reversed it's the same image on the front and back. it's not a bleed through because then it would be reversed.

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25 Nov 2016
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re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Tony, congratulations on your find! Too bad the descendants didn't think it worthwhile to take up the hobby and continue the collection. Sometimes this is the fault of the collector who didn't take the time to let family members know of the collection and if there was anything of valuer in it, often to keep a spouse from finding out how much was being spent for stamps. Maybe you might find a "diamond" or two in the collection.

We have several post card collectors, and historical collectors as well. You might be learning much more about what you found than just about the pretty little pieces of paper that we call "stamps".

Regarding the Lincoln coil stamp, it is not printed on the reverse. You will notice that on the stamp, Lincoln faces to the right. On the backside, the portrait faces the left. If it was printed on the backside, the image would be facing to the right. The ink probably bled through. This could have been done during the printing process if the paper was too wet, or sometimes watermark older fluid will cause the ink to bleed through the paper. Could be other reasons as well.

Keep digging. I'm sure many here will enjoy seeing what you find.

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25 Nov 2016
06:28:01pm
re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Hi Tony;

@ Michael;

Is it true that most reds and purples are considered "analine" inks and so more prone to bleed thru.

When I was a very new beginner, I used very warm water for stamp soaking, and years later noticed that many violet, purple, and red stamps had bad ink bleed of even fading, along with slight color changes. In some cases the color of the ink migrated into the actual paper, below the surface.

@ Tony;

Thank you for joining our club and especially for posting on here. Thank you for showing the stamps and for that really cool card. You might want to e-mail a copy of that image to Bobstamp one of our favorite collectors and a huge aviation fan. Bob has a web site and has written many articles about famous crashes. Here is the link to his famous Moosejaw plane crash trajedy web page.

http://www.ephemeraltreasures.net/tca-crash-moose-jaw-part-1.html

michael78651 is also a pretty good author, and has had several fiction novels sold. We are lucky to have so many gifted members on here.

If you don't want to sell that postcard, take a look at Bobstamp's web page. Maybe you could research that crash and write a web page as well.

I just recently visited Bob's web page and noticed several photos that were not there before, so check out his work in progress.

Also contact Bob via e-mail and tell him what you think of his web page, and show him your postcard, which I know he would enjoy seeing.

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Tonyb

25 Nov 2016
07:38:13pm
re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Anglophile, thank you for explaining that to me, I guess I was wishing for something that's just not there Happy I still have lots to learn! I'm glade I found this friendly and informative forum! I can honestly say "I was turned into a stamp lover overnight!".
Thanks to this person whom I've never met but I can see how passionate he was about stamps! It seems he spent his whole life collecting these stamps. I'm sure his name must be know in the stamp world, just by the shear amount of stamps I have from his collection! His name is Alec Naiman. I know he passed away last year because it came up when I started looking up his name. There is a whole story written about him and I am honored to have his collection!

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25 Nov 2016
08:49:28pm
re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Alec Naiman...interesting. You just never know.

You can sometimes find used envelopes with the names of people who had some interesting lives. That's all part of postal history, as we call it.

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Tonyb

25 Nov 2016
09:11:45pm
re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Yes it's so bazaar! I've been looking through piles of stamps for weeks now. Lots of postcards and tons of history. I am a collector of all sorts of things and this was my biggest find ever! It's a wonder, I was there the exact time they threw it out, otherwise this would have all perished in some landfill! The second day rained so I was battling wind and rain to save his memories! I really worked hard pulling this from the dumpster! I didn't know the real value of who he was on the first day. Otherwise I would have taken the thousands of aerial photographs they threw out on the first day. then they threw out hundreds of air and sea navigation maps then the stamps! I should have taken everything but you never know till it's too late. I am grateful with what I received. He had a lot of Vin Fiz stuff from 1911-12 I don't think I will sell any of those but I do think I will put some on here and on my website. It would be a shame not to share such beautiful works of art! To me stamps are like little tiny canvas's, a miniaturized art gallery if you will Happy

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25 Nov 2016
09:43:30pm
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Thank you TuskenRaider! It's a pleasure to meet such nice people! As I've said before it's like a whole new world opened to me! I will definitely check out Bob's website and send him pictures of my postcards. I think I am too attached to these items already, It's taken up lots of my time just saving them; as they were all just thrown loosely in garbage bags and boxes. I don't have stamp holders yet but I have pre-laminated plastic ID badge holders that work perfectly holding up to 16 stamps per cardHappy that is good enough until I get the proper holders! plus there are still hundreds, packed in envelopes that I haven't even seen yet! So exciting this is! I never know what stamp I will find next! There are some from all over the world! Countries, I never even knew existed! It will take months to sort all these out but I find it so relaxing! My friends are tired of me talking about stamps all day LoL! I'm glade I have someplace to express my joy!!!

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26 Nov 2016
12:50:46am
re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

I'm sorry, but something about this feels like a scam. Just my instincts, but I'm not buying the story.

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Tonyb

26 Nov 2016
01:48:57am
re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Hi Lars, You can believe what you may my friend.


Here is a rare Stereo Scope Of the Vin Fiz 1911
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Here is my rare Vin Fiz Coupon they dropped from along route
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And Lastly Here was the Flight Path C.P. Rodgers Took on This Famous Flight!
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Here Is were he Crashed and Died
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26 Nov 2016
08:01:14am
re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Welcome Tony!
I enjoyed the Vin Fiz postings. The Vin Fiz is an interesting story that is part of Philately, just too rich for me to try to collect. If you haven't already done so, do an internet search. It's an interesting story.

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Tonyb

26 Nov 2016
10:50:12am
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Hi Vince, I did read the story when I found those cards, the two coupons I have were actually thrown out by Rodgers somewhere along the route. Although the story has a sad ending, Some letters that were flown on this plane are now worth a bunch.

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26 Nov 2016
11:02:17am
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And here is an article on the Vin Fiz by our own John Edwards;


https://stamporama.com/articles/display_article.php?id=RAAtS3p8FVqCE




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26 Nov 2016
11:31:21am
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Thanks musicman that made for a nice morning read Happy

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25 Nov 2016
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Image Not FoundHi all this is my first post on here and I am also new to the stamp collecting world. I would like to know if the this Lincoln stamp has any extra value because of the face being printed on the bottom and also do you think this E6 has any value in this condition? thank you all for reading my post.

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25 Nov 2016
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re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

If you are new to stamp collecting, do not worry about "value". Just collect stamps and learn about them and the hobby first.

To answer your question, no, neither of the stamps are worth anything. The Lincoln stamp is very common, and the special delivery stamp is severely damaged.

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http://www.stamps.org/Starting-a-Collection

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Tonyb

25 Nov 2016
12:53:29pm

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Thank you for the information Michael! I was sort of thrusted into the hobby a few weeks ago. When I found someone's collection in the trash. The Person past away and I guess the family didn't want to mess with them. I have over 20,000 stamps to sort, lots are hinged in books, while others were left out to perish in garbage bags! I have a lot of postcards as well, Some are that of the 1911 vin fiz. with a Nov 21 1912 cancellation from Longbeach CA post office where the wreck site was. I am hoping to find one of those stamps Happy but not holding my breath lol!


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25 Nov 2016
01:06:46pm

re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Anglophile how did that image get on the back? It's not reversed it's the same image on the front and back. it's not a bleed through because then it would be reversed.

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25 Nov 2016
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re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Tony, congratulations on your find! Too bad the descendants didn't think it worthwhile to take up the hobby and continue the collection. Sometimes this is the fault of the collector who didn't take the time to let family members know of the collection and if there was anything of valuer in it, often to keep a spouse from finding out how much was being spent for stamps. Maybe you might find a "diamond" or two in the collection.

We have several post card collectors, and historical collectors as well. You might be learning much more about what you found than just about the pretty little pieces of paper that we call "stamps".

Regarding the Lincoln coil stamp, it is not printed on the reverse. You will notice that on the stamp, Lincoln faces to the right. On the backside, the portrait faces the left. If it was printed on the backside, the image would be facing to the right. The ink probably bled through. This could have been done during the printing process if the paper was too wet, or sometimes watermark older fluid will cause the ink to bleed through the paper. Could be other reasons as well.

Keep digging. I'm sure many here will enjoy seeing what you find.

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25 Nov 2016
06:28:01pm

re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Hi Tony;

@ Michael;

Is it true that most reds and purples are considered "analine" inks and so more prone to bleed thru.

When I was a very new beginner, I used very warm water for stamp soaking, and years later noticed that many violet, purple, and red stamps had bad ink bleed of even fading, along with slight color changes. In some cases the color of the ink migrated into the actual paper, below the surface.

@ Tony;

Thank you for joining our club and especially for posting on here. Thank you for showing the stamps and for that really cool card. You might want to e-mail a copy of that image to Bobstamp one of our favorite collectors and a huge aviation fan. Bob has a web site and has written many articles about famous crashes. Here is the link to his famous Moosejaw plane crash trajedy web page.

http://www.ephemeraltreasures.net/tca-crash-moose-jaw-part-1.html

michael78651 is also a pretty good author, and has had several fiction novels sold. We are lucky to have so many gifted members on here.

If you don't want to sell that postcard, take a look at Bobstamp's web page. Maybe you could research that crash and write a web page as well.

I just recently visited Bob's web page and noticed several photos that were not there before, so check out his work in progress.

Also contact Bob via e-mail and tell him what you think of his web page, and show him your postcard, which I know he would enjoy seeing.

Keep on stampin'....
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Tonyb

25 Nov 2016
07:38:13pm

re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Anglophile, thank you for explaining that to me, I guess I was wishing for something that's just not there Happy I still have lots to learn! I'm glade I found this friendly and informative forum! I can honestly say "I was turned into a stamp lover overnight!".
Thanks to this person whom I've never met but I can see how passionate he was about stamps! It seems he spent his whole life collecting these stamps. I'm sure his name must be know in the stamp world, just by the shear amount of stamps I have from his collection! His name is Alec Naiman. I know he passed away last year because it came up when I started looking up his name. There is a whole story written about him and I am honored to have his collection!

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25 Nov 2016
08:49:28pm

re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Alec Naiman...interesting. You just never know.

You can sometimes find used envelopes with the names of people who had some interesting lives. That's all part of postal history, as we call it.

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25 Nov 2016
09:11:45pm

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Yes it's so bazaar! I've been looking through piles of stamps for weeks now. Lots of postcards and tons of history. I am a collector of all sorts of things and this was my biggest find ever! It's a wonder, I was there the exact time they threw it out, otherwise this would have all perished in some landfill! The second day rained so I was battling wind and rain to save his memories! I really worked hard pulling this from the dumpster! I didn't know the real value of who he was on the first day. Otherwise I would have taken the thousands of aerial photographs they threw out on the first day. then they threw out hundreds of air and sea navigation maps then the stamps! I should have taken everything but you never know till it's too late. I am grateful with what I received. He had a lot of Vin Fiz stuff from 1911-12 I don't think I will sell any of those but I do think I will put some on here and on my website. It would be a shame not to share such beautiful works of art! To me stamps are like little tiny canvas's, a miniaturized art gallery if you will Happy

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25 Nov 2016
09:43:30pm

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Thank you TuskenRaider! It's a pleasure to meet such nice people! As I've said before it's like a whole new world opened to me! I will definitely check out Bob's website and send him pictures of my postcards. I think I am too attached to these items already, It's taken up lots of my time just saving them; as they were all just thrown loosely in garbage bags and boxes. I don't have stamp holders yet but I have pre-laminated plastic ID badge holders that work perfectly holding up to 16 stamps per cardHappy that is good enough until I get the proper holders! plus there are still hundreds, packed in envelopes that I haven't even seen yet! So exciting this is! I never know what stamp I will find next! There are some from all over the world! Countries, I never even knew existed! It will take months to sort all these out but I find it so relaxing! My friends are tired of me talking about stamps all day LoL! I'm glade I have someplace to express my joy!!!

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26 Nov 2016
12:50:46am

re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

I'm sorry, but something about this feels like a scam. Just my instincts, but I'm not buying the story.

Lars

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Tonyb

26 Nov 2016
01:48:57am

re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Hi Lars, You can believe what you may my friend.


Here is a rare Stereo Scope Of the Vin Fiz 1911
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Here is my rare Vin Fiz Coupon they dropped from along route
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And Lastly Here was the Flight Path C.P. Rodgers Took on This Famous Flight!
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Here Is were he Crashed and Died
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I hope you enjoyed My post this evening You can email me your thoughts!

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26 Nov 2016
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re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Welcome Tony!
I enjoyed the Vin Fiz postings. The Vin Fiz is an interesting story that is part of Philately, just too rich for me to try to collect. If you haven't already done so, do an internet search. It's an interesting story.

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Tonyb

26 Nov 2016
10:50:12am

re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

Hi Vince, I did read the story when I found those cards, the two coupons I have were actually thrown out by Rodgers somewhere along the route. Although the story has a sad ending, Some letters that were flown on this plane are now worth a bunch.

Tony

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26 Nov 2016
11:02:17am

re: Scott#: 1036 - Abraham Lincoln 4c and Special Delivery - 10c - Scott#: E6 - Messenger On Bicycle

And here is an article on the Vin Fiz by our own John Edwards;


https://stamporama.com/articles/display_article.php?id=RAAtS3p8FVqCE




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26 Nov 2016
11:31:21am

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Thanks musicman that made for a nice morning read Happy

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