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This may just be a case where the recipient at the original address was unaware of free forwarding and thought they had to treat the mailing as newly posted.
Many (most) people in the UK don't really understand posting regulations.
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so, Clive, your guess is the same as mine: unnecessary payment for forwarding
anyone else have another guess?
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10:40:00am
If it was opened prior to the forwarding, the extra payment would have been appropriate. Unfortunately, there is no way of knowing, assuming that it was eventually opened upon arrival at its final destination.
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thanks Roy; at least there's a valid payment possibility
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I know NOTHING about International covers, but it appears to me that the same ink that corrected the address also marked out "AIRMAIL". That could be someone receiving the letter and re-posting it because they knew the correct address and didn't know they didn't have to add postage.
However, it does seem odd that the black circular date cancel tied to the US stamps and the purple cancel tied to the UK stamp both have the exact same date AND time. If it's a favor cancel, why? And why scratch out "AIRMAIL"? (Other than to get you guys to scratch your heads 50 years later).
If it was re-posted by a civilian, how did he or she manage that in less than 60 seconds?
If the Post Office in the UK did that, did they have internal procedures whereby the sending PO had to apply a stamp and cancel it to keep up with forwarding costs?
Seems to me the most likely contenders are:
1) Contrived cover with favor cancels
2) UK forwarding policy requiring application of a stamp (in the same way US Parcel Post Insurance stamps had regular postage stamps applied to indicate an increase in value).
But, hey. What do I know?
Lars
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there are five postmarks on the face, some offset on the reverse
on the front, two are LeHigh Valley PA PMs, one machine and one hand, both 7.13.67; and three are Rotherham Yorkshire, one machine and two purpleish hand, all 7.19.67
I don't think this is a contrived cover; it would require Anglo-American cooperation, plus there are so many things already detracting from this cover that it seems a waste of time and 20c.
note that the US and UK cancels all repeat their respective times. The UK machine cancel completely misses the 4d stamp, thereby explaining the hand cancel (and nice ones at that). The add'l US hand cancel is more puzzling: why bother, the stamp was already defiled.
appreciate all the musings
Now go figure out my wrapper to the Polish immigrants; it may be a newspaper, as Michael suggests, but I doubt it's second class.
David
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"I don't think this is a contrived cover; it would require Anglo-American cooperation"
Not at all. The only fishy part is in Rotherham. Why are both cancels the same date AND time?
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The machine cancellation missed the new stamp. This was noticed immediately and it was handstamped?
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this cover properly pays the 20c/ounce rate to Europe in effect from 5.1.67 through 7.1.71. Can someone explain the addition of the 4d Wilding. Is that an improper forwarding payment? (free forwarding should have been available).
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re: Mixed franking on US cover to UK; can you explain
This may just be a case where the recipient at the original address was unaware of free forwarding and thought they had to treat the mailing as newly posted.
Many (most) people in the UK don't really understand posting regulations.
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re: Mixed franking on US cover to UK; can you explain
so, Clive, your guess is the same as mine: unnecessary payment for forwarding
anyone else have another guess?
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re: Mixed franking on US cover to UK; can you explain
If it was opened prior to the forwarding, the extra payment would have been appropriate. Unfortunately, there is no way of knowing, assuming that it was eventually opened upon arrival at its final destination.
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re: Mixed franking on US cover to UK; can you explain
thanks Roy; at least there's a valid payment possibility
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re: Mixed franking on US cover to UK; can you explain
I know NOTHING about International covers, but it appears to me that the same ink that corrected the address also marked out "AIRMAIL". That could be someone receiving the letter and re-posting it because they knew the correct address and didn't know they didn't have to add postage.
However, it does seem odd that the black circular date cancel tied to the US stamps and the purple cancel tied to the UK stamp both have the exact same date AND time. If it's a favor cancel, why? And why scratch out "AIRMAIL"? (Other than to get you guys to scratch your heads 50 years later).
If it was re-posted by a civilian, how did he or she manage that in less than 60 seconds?
If the Post Office in the UK did that, did they have internal procedures whereby the sending PO had to apply a stamp and cancel it to keep up with forwarding costs?
Seems to me the most likely contenders are:
1) Contrived cover with favor cancels
2) UK forwarding policy requiring application of a stamp (in the same way US Parcel Post Insurance stamps had regular postage stamps applied to indicate an increase in value).
But, hey. What do I know?
Lars
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re: Mixed franking on US cover to UK; can you explain
there are five postmarks on the face, some offset on the reverse
on the front, two are LeHigh Valley PA PMs, one machine and one hand, both 7.13.67; and three are Rotherham Yorkshire, one machine and two purpleish hand, all 7.19.67
I don't think this is a contrived cover; it would require Anglo-American cooperation, plus there are so many things already detracting from this cover that it seems a waste of time and 20c.
note that the US and UK cancels all repeat their respective times. The UK machine cancel completely misses the 4d stamp, thereby explaining the hand cancel (and nice ones at that). The add'l US hand cancel is more puzzling: why bother, the stamp was already defiled.
appreciate all the musings
Now go figure out my wrapper to the Polish immigrants; it may be a newspaper, as Michael suggests, but I doubt it's second class.
David
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re: Mixed franking on US cover to UK; can you explain
"I don't think this is a contrived cover; it would require Anglo-American cooperation"
Not at all. The only fishy part is in Rotherham. Why are both cancels the same date AND time?
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re: Mixed franking on US cover to UK; can you explain
The machine cancellation missed the new stamp. This was noticed immediately and it was handstamped?
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