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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Fakes I have known ... and offered

 

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carlberky
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05 Jan 2017
11:55:36am
Every time that I visit SOR, I'm impressed by the dedication and knowledge of it's contributors ... making me realize my own limitations

When I first started offering my stamps for sale, I was very proud of my accumulation. It wasn't long before reality set in. It seems that as a newbie (and beyond), I had acquired some fakes, and there were many people very willing to let me know about it!

I'm starting this thread in hopes that others may not be too quick to rush to judgement about the motives of sellers offering suspect products.

Here's the list of the stamps that I had offered and then removed from sale.

Scott #..... Catalog ...... Paid

350............ 275............ 75
351............ 285............ 50
354............ 350............ 87
355............ 350............ 58
387............ 270............ 34
445............ 320............ 89
461............ 225............ 42
545............ 250............ 40

................................... 475















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michael78651
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05 Jan 2017
12:43:33pm
re: Fakes I have known ... and offered

Stamporama does permit the selling of such items. Here are the two pertinent auction rules regarding such sales:

C2. Bogus, fake, forged, counterfeit, reprinted, repaired or altered stamps may be listed for sale, and must be so identified. Describing a stamp as "counterfeit?" or "reperfed?", etc. is permitted when a seller is uncertain whether a stamp is genuine or has been altered. Relying on authentication marks to list the stamp as genuine without accompanying certification from a recognized authority is not permitted.

C3. Intentionally listing bogus, fake, forged, counterfeit, repaired or altered stamps as genuine is prohibited.

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carlberky
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05 Jan 2017
02:03:54pm
re: Fakes I have known ... and offered

Stamporama does permit the selling of such items

Thanks for the info, Michael.

Frankly, I wouldn't think of selling misidentified stamps, and I'm surprised that SOR allows it. Maybe I'm missing something, but what legitimate, useful purpose would that serve?

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05 Jan 2017
02:42:16pm

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Carl, we don't allow the sale of misidentified stamps. Michael is not saying that, nor do we allow it. We allow fakes and forgeries, etc., as long as they are identified as such.

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carlberky
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05 Jan 2017
03:45:18pm
re: Fakes I have known ... and offered

So you eventually removed, from eBay, the intentionally misidentified 445 that you had offered in December 2015 and flaunted over on SCF?

I did not relist it when it expired in 7 days, and I certainly would not have flaunted it if I had intended to profit from it.

Speaking of SCF, you may recall the thread in which I asked for help in finding fakes and forgeries at my store.

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14 Jan 2017
03:44:45pm
re: Fakes I have known ... and offered

" ... but what legitimate, useful purpose would that serve? ..."

Often such items are useful as a aid in identifying additional bogus items.
For instance, I have about two pages of counterfeit Machin stamps as a reference.
You would not think people would create bogus items for what are essentially such inexpensive stamps, but they do, not usually to cheat collectors, but to sell to private counter top vendors and cheat Royal Mail. .... or the vendors if they get caught selling counterfeit stamps to be used on the mails.

I also have accumulated twenty or so examples of the Nigerian stone bridge stamps that were used to carry those scam letters from our favorite Nigerian Princes in their effort to smuggle millions of derelect dollars or pounds, from the days before Prince Ali got an email account. Many of these items are so crude a six year old should reject them, but others are quite good and can ( have ) fooled the postal agencies and their automated machinery.

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15 Jan 2017
05:16:45pm
re: Fakes I have known ... and offered

Counterfeits can be quite collectible, as opposed to fakes. The former can frequently be worth more than the real stamps.

Early forgeries, e.g., Sperati, can also be worth more than the real stamps.

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21 Sep 2017
01:53:07am

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SCF???? I Knew all you guys looked/sounded familiar...????????????????????

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carlberky

05 Jan 2017
11:55:36am

Every time that I visit SOR, I'm impressed by the dedication and knowledge of it's contributors ... making me realize my own limitations

When I first started offering my stamps for sale, I was very proud of my accumulation. It wasn't long before reality set in. It seems that as a newbie (and beyond), I had acquired some fakes, and there were many people very willing to let me know about it!

I'm starting this thread in hopes that others may not be too quick to rush to judgement about the motives of sellers offering suspect products.

Here's the list of the stamps that I had offered and then removed from sale.

Scott #..... Catalog ...... Paid

350............ 275............ 75
351............ 285............ 50
354............ 350............ 87
355............ 350............ 58
387............ 270............ 34
445............ 320............ 89
461............ 225............ 42
545............ 250............ 40

................................... 475















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michael78651

05 Jan 2017
12:43:33pm

re: Fakes I have known ... and offered

Stamporama does permit the selling of such items. Here are the two pertinent auction rules regarding such sales:

C2. Bogus, fake, forged, counterfeit, reprinted, repaired or altered stamps may be listed for sale, and must be so identified. Describing a stamp as "counterfeit?" or "reperfed?", etc. is permitted when a seller is uncertain whether a stamp is genuine or has been altered. Relying on authentication marks to list the stamp as genuine without accompanying certification from a recognized authority is not permitted.

C3. Intentionally listing bogus, fake, forged, counterfeit, repaired or altered stamps as genuine is prohibited.

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carlberky

05 Jan 2017
02:03:54pm

re: Fakes I have known ... and offered

Stamporama does permit the selling of such items

Thanks for the info, Michael.

Frankly, I wouldn't think of selling misidentified stamps, and I'm surprised that SOR allows it. Maybe I'm missing something, but what legitimate, useful purpose would that serve?

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05 Jan 2017
02:42:16pm

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re: Fakes I have known ... and offered

Carl, we don't allow the sale of misidentified stamps. Michael is not saying that, nor do we allow it. We allow fakes and forgeries, etc., as long as they are identified as such.

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carlberky

05 Jan 2017
03:45:18pm

re: Fakes I have known ... and offered

So you eventually removed, from eBay, the intentionally misidentified 445 that you had offered in December 2015 and flaunted over on SCF?

I did not relist it when it expired in 7 days, and I certainly would not have flaunted it if I had intended to profit from it.

Speaking of SCF, you may recall the thread in which I asked for help in finding fakes and forgeries at my store.

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14 Jan 2017
03:44:45pm

re: Fakes I have known ... and offered

" ... but what legitimate, useful purpose would that serve? ..."

Often such items are useful as a aid in identifying additional bogus items.
For instance, I have about two pages of counterfeit Machin stamps as a reference.
You would not think people would create bogus items for what are essentially such inexpensive stamps, but they do, not usually to cheat collectors, but to sell to private counter top vendors and cheat Royal Mail. .... or the vendors if they get caught selling counterfeit stamps to be used on the mails.

I also have accumulated twenty or so examples of the Nigerian stone bridge stamps that were used to carry those scam letters from our favorite Nigerian Princes in their effort to smuggle millions of derelect dollars or pounds, from the days before Prince Ali got an email account. Many of these items are so crude a six year old should reject them, but others are quite good and can ( have ) fooled the postal agencies and their automated machinery.

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usrevenues

15 Jan 2017
05:16:45pm

re: Fakes I have known ... and offered

Counterfeits can be quite collectible, as opposed to fakes. The former can frequently be worth more than the real stamps.

Early forgeries, e.g., Sperati, can also be worth more than the real stamps.

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SCF???? I Knew all you guys looked/sounded familiar...????????????????????

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