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Oceania/Australia : Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

 

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lemaven
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14 Jan 2017
02:10:33pm
Found a dozen of these. None were Perf 11 (#141) one was 13.1/2x14 (#175a) and the remainder 15x14 (#175). Ratios I would expect given CV.


Then there was a 14.1/2x14 Perf 17.1/2x21.1/2 Measurement which would put this as as #300.

Here's the issue: when I started to put a hinge on there was a clear 228 Wmk - but it is listed as "Unwmk" in my 2017 Scott's.


Thoughts? I'm prepared to put it on the page as #300 as everything but the Wmk is clearly fitting and different from all others.

Many thanks, Dave.
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Winedrinker
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14 Jan 2017
03:31:12pm
re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

I am sure the experts on Australia will be of more help here. But the watermark would be hard for me to ignore. Happy

You could remove all doubt by buying another #300, as it is only a couple of bucks I believe. Just looked on eBay and there is a nice used one for 1.79.

Cheers!
Eric

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14 Jan 2017
04:28:19pm
re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

Yoikes Eric! The CV is just $1.10 on #300. I'll keep looking, I have another shoe box to go through.

Dave.

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Oldmanemu

14 Jan 2017
07:09:37pm
re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

I'm assuming you are referring to the small one shilling lyrebird, rather than the larger one. The smaller one comes in the following types:

1. Multiple Crown and C of A Watermark (Perf 13.5 x 14)
2. Multiple Crown and C of A Watermark (Perf 14.75 x 14)
3. No watermark (Perf 14.75 x 14)

Hope this helps. This is from the Australian Commonwealth Specialists Catalogue

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14 Jan 2017
07:47:59pm
re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

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Perforation 13½ x 14. Year 1937. Watermark C of A

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Perforation 15 x 14 (14.75 x 14). Year 1941. Watermark C of A

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Perforation 15 x 14 (14.75 x 14). Year 1956. No Watermark

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Perforation 11. Year 1932. No Watermark



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15 Jan 2017
10:50:40am
re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

Thanks Rob. Looks like the Perfs can be a bit more fluid (15 = 14.75 ?) so I think the ultimate test is really no watermark for #300. Will pull out all the little buggers out of my shoebox and have another go at them. Fortunately found another envelope of oldies last night that had a dozen more.

Cheers, Dave.

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16 Jan 2017
01:11:56am
re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

Hi Dave

I'm glad I was able to help, and it seems you will be having hours of quality time with that shoebox.

Rob

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16 Jan 2017
07:50:58am
re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

Thanks Rob. I have a 13.25x... 15x... and Unwmk version of each of the 1930s/40s definitives that I found so I'm stopping there.

I find Wmk detection to be particularly unenjoyable. Unfortunately finished going through all the piles last night and have probably 8-10 old 'Roos and maybe 40 George V's.

I put them aside as I can't bear the thought of the same agony checking-agony. Probably disturbing to "real" Australia collectors (and I understand there could be some decent CVs in there) but I think I'm just going to keep one of each denomination and the rest will go on the block...

Dave.

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19 Nov 2017
04:52:01am
re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

Hi
Does anyone have a really good picture of the "Green Mist" Retouch of the shilling Lyre bird
Regards
Horamakhet

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19 Nov 2017
08:56:52am
re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

"Hi
Does anyone have a really good picture of the "Green Mist" Retouch of the shilling Lyre bird
Regards
Horamakhet"



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19 Nov 2017
07:58:33pm
re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

Thanks Rob

Your collection must be really impressive.

Horamakhet

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14 Jan 2017
02:10:33pm

Found a dozen of these. None were Perf 11 (#141) one was 13.1/2x14 (#175a) and the remainder 15x14 (#175). Ratios I would expect given CV.


Then there was a 14.1/2x14 Perf 17.1/2x21.1/2 Measurement which would put this as as #300.

Here's the issue: when I started to put a hinge on there was a clear 228 Wmk - but it is listed as "Unwmk" in my 2017 Scott's.


Thoughts? I'm prepared to put it on the page as #300 as everything but the Wmk is clearly fitting and different from all others.

Many thanks, Dave.

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Winedrinker

14 Jan 2017
03:31:12pm

re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

I am sure the experts on Australia will be of more help here. But the watermark would be hard for me to ignore. Happy

You could remove all doubt by buying another #300, as it is only a couple of bucks I believe. Just looked on eBay and there is a nice used one for 1.79.

Cheers!
Eric

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14 Jan 2017
04:28:19pm

re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

Yoikes Eric! The CV is just $1.10 on #300. I'll keep looking, I have another shoe box to go through.

Dave.

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Oldmanemu

14 Jan 2017
07:09:37pm

re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

I'm assuming you are referring to the small one shilling lyrebird, rather than the larger one. The smaller one comes in the following types:

1. Multiple Crown and C of A Watermark (Perf 13.5 x 14)
2. Multiple Crown and C of A Watermark (Perf 14.75 x 14)
3. No watermark (Perf 14.75 x 14)

Hope this helps. This is from the Australian Commonwealth Specialists Catalogue

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Member ACCC (Australian Commonwealth Collectors Club of NSW)
14 Jan 2017
07:47:59pm

re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

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Perforation 13½ x 14. Year 1937. Watermark C of A

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Perforation 15 x 14 (14.75 x 14). Year 1941. Watermark C of A

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Perforation 15 x 14 (14.75 x 14). Year 1956. No Watermark

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Perforation 11. Year 1932. No Watermark



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15 Jan 2017
10:50:40am

re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

Thanks Rob. Looks like the Perfs can be a bit more fluid (15 = 14.75 ?) so I think the ultimate test is really no watermark for #300. Will pull out all the little buggers out of my shoebox and have another go at them. Fortunately found another envelope of oldies last night that had a dozen more.

Cheers, Dave.

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Member ACCC (Australian Commonwealth Collectors Club of NSW)
16 Jan 2017
01:11:56am

re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

Hi Dave

I'm glad I was able to help, and it seems you will be having hours of quality time with that shoebox.

Rob

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16 Jan 2017
07:50:58am

re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

Thanks Rob. I have a 13.25x... 15x... and Unwmk version of each of the 1930s/40s definitives that I found so I'm stopping there.

I find Wmk detection to be particularly unenjoyable. Unfortunately finished going through all the piles last night and have probably 8-10 old 'Roos and maybe 40 George V's.

I put them aside as I can't bear the thought of the same agony checking-agony. Probably disturbing to "real" Australia collectors (and I understand there could be some decent CVs in there) but I think I'm just going to keep one of each denomination and the rest will go on the block...

Dave.

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Horamakhet

19 Nov 2017
04:52:01am

re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

Hi
Does anyone have a really good picture of the "Green Mist" Retouch of the shilling Lyre bird
Regards
Horamakhet

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19 Nov 2017
08:56:52am

re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

"Hi
Does anyone have a really good picture of the "Green Mist" Retouch of the shilling Lyre bird
Regards
Horamakhet"



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Horamakhet

19 Nov 2017
07:58:33pm

re: Confusing 1Sh Lyrebird Perf

Thanks Rob

Your collection must be really impressive.

Horamakhet

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