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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : China Overprints

 

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rwillis29
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13 May 2017
09:16:14am
Does anyone know where I can find list of China Overprints that helps to identify them? I had one that showed the over print then a list of the stamps it was on. Thanks Richard
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13 May 2017
09:28:11pm
re: China Overprints

Ma's Catalog OF China covers up to the immediate post WW II days English and Chinese.
There may be an updated reprinting, my copy dates from the late "40s.

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14 May 2017
07:01:21am
re: China Overprints

Mengkiang's curious 1942 "half-value" surcharges:


1942 saw a very curious issue. This time, stamps of China and unissued "New Beijing printings" were overprinted with the two characters for "Menjiang" (the upper two characters, as in the first issues of 1941), and also with a new value (shown only in Chinese) being HALF the original value.

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Mengkiang 1942 "Half-face-surcharge", Half cent on 1c "Martyrs".


There are 37 different stamps in this series of surcharges, and many of the low values are the most widely-found stamps of Mengkiang. Several varieties however are quite elusive: this usually occurred when the Post Office secured a large pile of sheets of a stamp to be overprinted, and rather than all being the same stamp, the pile comprised several sheets from an earlier printing (to which the catalogs had allocated a separate number, as there were perf or watermark differences.) So the surcharges on these are listed under both varieties too.

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Mengkiang 1942 "Half-face-surcharge", 5c on 10c Sun Yat Sen.


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Mengkiang 1942 "Half-face-surcharge", 15c on 30c "Martyrs".


"The "New Beijing printings":

In 1941, the Chinese Bureau of Engraving & Printing in Beijing was ordered to print stamps for the Japanese-controlled areas of North China in the designs current in the areas under the government of Chiang Kai-shek. Apart from the 8c "Martyrs", all were issued with some sort of surcharge.

The stamps done were the 2c, 4c, & 5c of the 1931 Sun Yat Sen (second issue), the 9c, 16c, 18c,, $1, $2, $5, $10, & $20 of the 1938 Sun Yat Sen (third issue); and the 1c, 8c, 10c, 20c, 30c, 40c, & 50c of the 1932 Martyrs. There are tiny differences of design between the "New Beijing printings" and the earlier printings, but the "New Beijing printings" can be easily distinguished by the fact that the execution is less finished, and the paper used is of poorer quality, resembling newsprint. The stamps were first issued with a dull yellowish gum and later without gum.

The "New Beijing" Martyr stamps are also usually a half-millimeter to 1 mm wider than the Martyr issue of 1932."



-- "Stanley Gibbons Stamp Catalog, Part 3, Asia Specialised"

Mengkiang is the only Chinese region I collect, so happy to start a thread about their stamps if folks are interested.

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14 May 2017
11:05:01am
re: China Overprints

Very cool stsmps but help me out here. Why would Beijing order stamps for the Japanese controlled areas? Weren't those area completely cut off from "Free China"?

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21 May 2017
12:18:24pm
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Hi, Thank you for the reply that what I was looking for.
Keep on Stamping Richard

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07 Jun 2017
07:27:31am
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Ernie asks: Very cool stamps but help me out here. Why would Beijing order stamps for the Japanese controlled areas? Weren't those area completely cut off from "Free China"?

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Actually, Beijing (then called "Peking") was under Japanese control, and so they also controlled the Chinese Bureau of Engraving & Printing: an impressive and prestigious institution.

In 1941, the Chinese Bureau of Engraving & Printing in Beijing was ordered to print stamps for the Japanese-controlled areas of North China in the designs current in the areas under the government of Chiang Kai-shek. Apart from the 8c "Martyrs", all were issued with some sort of surcharge.

The stamps done were the 2c, 4c, & 5c of the 1931 Sun Yat Sen (second issue), the 9c, 16c, 18c,, $1, $2, $5, $10, & $20 of the 1938 Sun Yat Sen (third issue); and the 1c, 8c, 10c, 20c, 30c, 40c, & 50c of the 1932 Martyrs. There are tiny differences of design between the "new Beijing printings" and the earlier printings, but the "new Beijing printings" can be easily distinguished by the fact that the execution is less finished, and the paper used is of poorer quality, resembling newsprint. The stamps were first issued with a dull yellowish gum and later without gum.

The "new Beijing" Martyr stamps are also usually a half-millimeter to 1 mm wider than the Martyr issue of 1932.

I'll try to do a thread on Mengkiang stamps, as few folks know much about them.

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Mengkiang: 1st September 1943: Fifth anniversary of the Mengkiang Federation, 4c showing a rather beautifully-drawn stylised horse.

A popular stamp, as the horse is most Mongols' favorite possession (after his/her stamp collection of course.) Winking

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13 May 2017
09:16:14am

Does anyone know where I can find list of China Overprints that helps to identify them? I had one that showed the over print then a list of the stamps it was on. Thanks Richard

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13 May 2017
09:28:11pm

re: China Overprints

Ma's Catalog OF China covers up to the immediate post WW II days English and Chinese.
There may be an updated reprinting, my copy dates from the late "40s.

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14 May 2017
07:01:21am

re: China Overprints

Mengkiang's curious 1942 "half-value" surcharges:


1942 saw a very curious issue. This time, stamps of China and unissued "New Beijing printings" were overprinted with the two characters for "Menjiang" (the upper two characters, as in the first issues of 1941), and also with a new value (shown only in Chinese) being HALF the original value.

Image Not Found
Mengkiang 1942 "Half-face-surcharge", Half cent on 1c "Martyrs".


There are 37 different stamps in this series of surcharges, and many of the low values are the most widely-found stamps of Mengkiang. Several varieties however are quite elusive: this usually occurred when the Post Office secured a large pile of sheets of a stamp to be overprinted, and rather than all being the same stamp, the pile comprised several sheets from an earlier printing (to which the catalogs had allocated a separate number, as there were perf or watermark differences.) So the surcharges on these are listed under both varieties too.

Image Not Found
Mengkiang 1942 "Half-face-surcharge", 5c on 10c Sun Yat Sen.


Image Not Found
Mengkiang 1942 "Half-face-surcharge", 15c on 30c "Martyrs".


"The "New Beijing printings":

In 1941, the Chinese Bureau of Engraving & Printing in Beijing was ordered to print stamps for the Japanese-controlled areas of North China in the designs current in the areas under the government of Chiang Kai-shek. Apart from the 8c "Martyrs", all were issued with some sort of surcharge.

The stamps done were the 2c, 4c, & 5c of the 1931 Sun Yat Sen (second issue), the 9c, 16c, 18c,, $1, $2, $5, $10, & $20 of the 1938 Sun Yat Sen (third issue); and the 1c, 8c, 10c, 20c, 30c, 40c, & 50c of the 1932 Martyrs. There are tiny differences of design between the "New Beijing printings" and the earlier printings, but the "New Beijing printings" can be easily distinguished by the fact that the execution is less finished, and the paper used is of poorer quality, resembling newsprint. The stamps were first issued with a dull yellowish gum and later without gum.

The "New Beijing" Martyr stamps are also usually a half-millimeter to 1 mm wider than the Martyr issue of 1932."



-- "Stanley Gibbons Stamp Catalog, Part 3, Asia Specialised"

Mengkiang is the only Chinese region I collect, so happy to start a thread about their stamps if folks are interested.

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14 May 2017
11:05:01am

re: China Overprints

Very cool stsmps but help me out here. Why would Beijing order stamps for the Japanese controlled areas? Weren't those area completely cut off from "Free China"?

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21 May 2017
12:18:24pm

re: China Overprints

Hi, Thank you for the reply that what I was looking for.
Keep on Stamping Richard

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07 Jun 2017
07:27:31am

re: China Overprints

Ernie asks: Very cool stamps but help me out here. Why would Beijing order stamps for the Japanese controlled areas? Weren't those area completely cut off from "Free China"?

===

Actually, Beijing (then called "Peking") was under Japanese control, and so they also controlled the Chinese Bureau of Engraving & Printing: an impressive and prestigious institution.

In 1941, the Chinese Bureau of Engraving & Printing in Beijing was ordered to print stamps for the Japanese-controlled areas of North China in the designs current in the areas under the government of Chiang Kai-shek. Apart from the 8c "Martyrs", all were issued with some sort of surcharge.

The stamps done were the 2c, 4c, & 5c of the 1931 Sun Yat Sen (second issue), the 9c, 16c, 18c,, $1, $2, $5, $10, & $20 of the 1938 Sun Yat Sen (third issue); and the 1c, 8c, 10c, 20c, 30c, 40c, & 50c of the 1932 Martyrs. There are tiny differences of design between the "new Beijing printings" and the earlier printings, but the "new Beijing printings" can be easily distinguished by the fact that the execution is less finished, and the paper used is of poorer quality, resembling newsprint. The stamps were first issued with a dull yellowish gum and later without gum.

The "new Beijing" Martyr stamps are also usually a half-millimeter to 1 mm wider than the Martyr issue of 1932.

I'll try to do a thread on Mengkiang stamps, as few folks know much about them.

Image Not Found
Mengkiang: 1st September 1943: Fifth anniversary of the Mengkiang Federation, 4c showing a rather beautifully-drawn stylised horse.

A popular stamp, as the horse is most Mongols' favorite possession (after his/her stamp collection of course.) Winking

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