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Look at this one:
I've asked the eBay dealer for additional information because there are no descriptions beyond the title:
What does private issue mean?
Was the overprint added after WWII by a private person?
If you'd like to look over his other fantastic offerings similar to the one above:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/Germany-Colonies/3489/m.htmlitem=142440570554&hash=item212a1e9eba%3Ag%3AghoAAOSwqztZYjgm&_ssn=hayden_stamps&rt=nc
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that link doesn't bring anything up.
I think we were covering other SS divisions on these pages recently, notably the several Hungarian SS divisions..... I know I researched them, but did I write anything about them, and if so, here?
ah, failing memory and now-empty beer bottles are not a good combination for this sort of inquiry
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Well the dealer responded. It's possible that he may have been bamboozled, so to speak, by someone else which can go on and on I suppose until the original overprinter is reached and must explain his actions.
Here is what he replied:
"Hi -
Private issue means that the overprints were added by someone else other than the formal postal authority at the time. Whether this was done during WWII or afterwards, I do not know for this particular issue. I do know that there other other private issues, for example in Greece, where the overprints were added FOR SURE during WWII, sometimes by local stamp dealers, with the approval of the local occupation authorities and sometimes by occupation personnel. Then the stamps were sold to collectors, only.
Best Regards,
Jerry"
OKay, so he states he doesn't know when the overprints were applied, either during WWII or afterwards. I bolded the part of the statement I also found interesting because I have never heard about these occupation "allowed" Greek WWII overprints on Hitler heads except disparagingly, nor seen them in a catalog, nor talked about by other collectors as real overprinted stamps.
Here is one he states is a Salonika Greek overprint that presumably was allowed by local authorities. I know these as fake overprints. Anyone else know different?
His Description: WWII-GERMAN OCCUPATION GREECE SALONICA 1944 MNH Private Issue
I'm not sure why the link isn't working. His ebay seller id is: hayden_stamps
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I think that in this particular case, private issue means something like a private person printed this fantasy text on a stamp with an inkjet printer.
For these two stamps it is pretty easy.
the socalled "Blaue Division" overprint is in Fraktur. This font had been abolished by the German government in January 1941, when Hitler suddenly declared the typical "German" gothic script to have Jewish roots. The Hitler stamps were introduced later that year, so it is very unlikely that they would be overprinted in the type that was no longer used. Even more unlikely would it be that an SS division would use a "Jewish" letter.
The socalled Salonica stamp seems to be produced at some time between 1982 and now, because it very much looks like Arial, and not the favoured Antiqua. Arial was created by Microsoft for Windows 3.1 
I could be wrong, perhaps it is not Arial, but in any case it looks far too modern.
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I must say, this Hayden guy has a vivid imagination (or is plain stupid).
A hitler head overprint for Danzig? A sudetenland overprint used in Gleiwitz, Silesia?
German overprints used in the Netherlands? 
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I also noticed an overprint for the 1934 Nuremberg Rally issue. One never knows whether he has been duped or hopes to dupe others.
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WWII-GERMAN OCCUPATION GREECE SALONICA 1944
Below are some examples of the real Saloniki 1944 stamps.
These stamps were NOT official stamps.
If you look closely you can see that there are similarities with the 3Pfg stamp
But only italian stamps were used.
About the Blue Division:
The Blue Division (Spanish: División Azul, German: Blaue Division), officially designated as División Española de Voluntarios by the Spanish Army and as 250. Infanterie-Division in the German Army, was a unit of Spanish volunteers and conscripts who served (1941-1944) in the German Army on the Eastern Front during the Second World War.
When the Blue Division was abolished a lot of the members were transferred to some SS divisions.
The Blue Division was NOT a SS unit.
Never heared about a special stamp for this unit.
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After the invasion of the USSR by the German army on June 22, 1941, the L.V.F (the legion of French volunteers against Bolshevism) was created on July 7, at the instigation of the collaborating movements.
The L.V.F proceeded to a number of charity stamp issues which, although sold exclusively in Paris, can be found on letters from soldiers of the Eastern Front. This is the translation of the Yvert-Tellier catalogue.
I have only a souveneer sheet (1941,YT#1)
I don’t found any reference in Scott catalogue ??
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George, you have the most elusive stamp of the set. Congratulations.
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I found this day on a selling site many germans stamps with curious overprints.
I think they are stamps of Sudete Occupied region of Tchehoslovakie(See cat.Michel and my aprox.translate)
Overprinted stamps in many other cities and places - with the exception of the below emmissions (in Michel cat) - are so-called "overprints souvenir of the Germans of Sudetes" and are not to be considered as official postal issues.
These stamps don't have cote in cat.Michel but they are "OVERPRINTS SOUVENIRS"
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Comment on the stamps above :
Spitzbergen : Those islands belongs to Norway !!!
FAKE first class.
Wir sind frei : (We are free) this is an overprint commonly used during the occupation
but NEVER EVER on german stamps !!!
Those overprints are only on stamps from Czechoslovakia
FAKE first class.
Sudeten Pilsen : Really ? on a stamp from 1936 ?
Sudetenland was not occupied until 1938 !!!
FAKE first class.
Pernik : Really ? This is a town in Bulgaria !!!
FAKE first class.
SS Legion Flandern : The Flemish Legion was a military unit consisting of Flemish
volunteers who fought alongside the Germans during
the Second World War against the Red Army of
the Soviet Union on the Eastern Front.
There are stamps of this legion but no overprints on german stamps.
Dear collectors, if you know anything about history, you can find the Fakes easily.
@Gerom : These stamps have nothing to do with the occupation of the Sudetenland in 1938.
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Example of stamps of the Dutch Legion :
Example of stamps of the Flemish Legion :
Example of stamps of the Wallonian Legion :
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I am sorry...you are right HockeyNut.I post the bad stamps for "Overprints Souvenirs"of Sudete.
What you say about these:
Overprint with german names of czech cities:
Aag=Doubi Eger=Cheb Saaz=Zatec Haida=Novy Bor
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Well now that is interesting!
I personaly never seen this kind of overprints.
But that says nothing of course.
I will look into that!
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Well, well, well
I was browsing on the internet and what do you think about this gerom :
I saw this on e-bay
https://www.benl.ebay.be/str/haydenphilatelics?_pgn=3
A guy who called himself HAYDEN_STAMPS and says he is from the USA and he advertise on the ebay site of the benelux (Belgium, Netherlands and Luxemburg)
For the stamp I included above he is asking 4 US dollars !!!!!! 
Pages and pages of JUNK. Realy ! I can not believe that there are collectors that buy that stuff.
Another stamp he sells is this one :
That supposed to be the city ARNHEIM which is german for ARNHEM (a place in the Netherlands) 
Need no more to say, I believe
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HaHaHaHa
It is getting weird, i am falling of my chair with laughter.
A german stamp of 1944 with an overprint of the Krim (Ukraine, but now-a-days Russia)
His description :
GERMANY RUSSIA (KRIM) 1942 WWII-GERMAN OCC. 15+10 Rpf.
Ha ha The Krim fight from 1942 on a 1944 stamp 
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I found these overprinted stamps on a Romanian sell site,a lot of 5 start auction for 1$.
I don't buy stamps if they aren't in catalog.But Michel refer to this "Overprints souvenirs"for the Sudete stamps.
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"I don't buy stamps if they aren't in catalog."
@Gerom :
Very, very wise dicision.
If everyone would do this, those websites would disappear.
They earn a lot of money.
They take a 5 cents stamp, make an overprint on that stamp and sells them on the internet for 4 US Dollars
So fellow collectors leave that stuff alone
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5 cents? It's bundleware so the value is negligible. they can be bought by the sheet.
My experience is that this kind of stuff is targeted to very different buyers: for one the gullible stamp collector who is confused by the huge amount of genuine overprints and can't be bothered to check whether some overprint really existed or was fabricated and the world war 2 / nazi fanatic who gets excited by the face of Hitler or a swastika.
Anything sells if there is a vague nazi association, at least that's my experience. When I sell old German reich stamps, the Hitler definitives always sell first, even though they are the most common and least valuable of all.
As long as there is this fascination, people will cater to it. Nothing new really, in the Middle ages they sold splinters of the real cross. When pieced together, there would be enough wood for a complete forest Same with relics: many saints must have had at least 6 heads, 10 hearts, 5 hands etc.
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02:47:42pm
I'm wondering again how much longer it will take to cause the catalog price of common Hitler heads to be raised by quite a bit when one takes into account the number of what can only be modern overprints placed upon these stamps, shrinking the available supply of untouched originals? Not to mention other issues.
Look at this one:
I've asked the eBay dealer for additional information because there are no descriptions beyond the title:
What does private issue mean?
Was the overprint added after WWII by a private person?
If you'd like to look over his other fantastic offerings similar to the one above:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/Germany-Colonies/3489/m.htmlitem=142440570554&hash=item212a1e9eba%3Ag%3AghoAAOSwqztZYjgm&_ssn=hayden_stamps&rt=nc
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re: SS Spanish Blue Division
that link doesn't bring anything up.
I think we were covering other SS divisions on these pages recently, notably the several Hungarian SS divisions..... I know I researched them, but did I write anything about them, and if so, here?
ah, failing memory and now-empty beer bottles are not a good combination for this sort of inquiry
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05:05:45pm
re: SS Spanish Blue Division
Well the dealer responded. It's possible that he may have been bamboozled, so to speak, by someone else which can go on and on I suppose until the original overprinter is reached and must explain his actions.
Here is what he replied:
"Hi -
Private issue means that the overprints were added by someone else other than the formal postal authority at the time. Whether this was done during WWII or afterwards, I do not know for this particular issue. I do know that there other other private issues, for example in Greece, where the overprints were added FOR SURE during WWII, sometimes by local stamp dealers, with the approval of the local occupation authorities and sometimes by occupation personnel. Then the stamps were sold to collectors, only.
Best Regards,
Jerry"
OKay, so he states he doesn't know when the overprints were applied, either during WWII or afterwards. I bolded the part of the statement I also found interesting because I have never heard about these occupation "allowed" Greek WWII overprints on Hitler heads except disparagingly, nor seen them in a catalog, nor talked about by other collectors as real overprinted stamps.
Here is one he states is a Salonika Greek overprint that presumably was allowed by local authorities. I know these as fake overprints. Anyone else know different?
His Description: WWII-GERMAN OCCUPATION GREECE SALONICA 1944 MNH Private Issue
I'm not sure why the link isn't working. His ebay seller id is: hayden_stamps
Bruce
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re: SS Spanish Blue Division
I think that in this particular case, private issue means something like a private person printed this fantasy text on a stamp with an inkjet printer.
For these two stamps it is pretty easy.
the socalled "Blaue Division" overprint is in Fraktur. This font had been abolished by the German government in January 1941, when Hitler suddenly declared the typical "German" gothic script to have Jewish roots. The Hitler stamps were introduced later that year, so it is very unlikely that they would be overprinted in the type that was no longer used. Even more unlikely would it be that an SS division would use a "Jewish" letter.
The socalled Salonica stamp seems to be produced at some time between 1982 and now, because it very much looks like Arial, and not the favoured Antiqua. Arial was created by Microsoft for Windows 3.1
I could be wrong, perhaps it is not Arial, but in any case it looks far too modern.
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re: SS Spanish Blue Division
I must say, this Hayden guy has a vivid imagination (or is plain stupid).
A hitler head overprint for Danzig? A sudetenland overprint used in Gleiwitz, Silesia?
German overprints used in the Netherlands?
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05:56:03pm
re: SS Spanish Blue Division
I also noticed an overprint for the 1934 Nuremberg Rally issue. One never knows whether he has been duped or hopes to dupe others.
Bruce
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re: SS Spanish Blue Division
WWII-GERMAN OCCUPATION GREECE SALONICA 1944
Below are some examples of the real Saloniki 1944 stamps.
These stamps were NOT official stamps.
If you look closely you can see that there are similarities with the 3Pfg stamp
But only italian stamps were used.
About the Blue Division:
The Blue Division (Spanish: División Azul, German: Blaue Division), officially designated as División Española de Voluntarios by the Spanish Army and as 250. Infanterie-Division in the German Army, was a unit of Spanish volunteers and conscripts who served (1941-1944) in the German Army on the Eastern Front during the Second World War.
When the Blue Division was abolished a lot of the members were transferred to some SS divisions.
The Blue Division was NOT a SS unit.
Never heared about a special stamp for this unit.
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12:46:39pm
re: SS Spanish Blue Division
After the invasion of the USSR by the German army on June 22, 1941, the L.V.F (the legion of French volunteers against Bolshevism) was created on July 7, at the instigation of the collaborating movements.
The L.V.F proceeded to a number of charity stamp issues which, although sold exclusively in Paris, can be found on letters from soldiers of the Eastern Front. This is the translation of the Yvert-Tellier catalogue.
I have only a souveneer sheet (1941,YT#1)
I don’t found any reference in Scott catalogue ??
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George, you have the most elusive stamp of the set. Congratulations.
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04:05:08pm
re: SS Spanish Blue Division
I found this day on a selling site many germans stamps with curious overprints.
I think they are stamps of Sudete Occupied region of Tchehoslovakie(See cat.Michel and my aprox.translate)
Overprinted stamps in many other cities and places - with the exception of the below emmissions (in Michel cat) - are so-called "overprints souvenir of the Germans of Sudetes" and are not to be considered as official postal issues.
These stamps don't have cote in cat.Michel but they are "OVERPRINTS SOUVENIRS"
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re: SS Spanish Blue Division
Comment on the stamps above :
Spitzbergen : Those islands belongs to Norway !!!
FAKE first class.
Wir sind frei : (We are free) this is an overprint commonly used during the occupation
but NEVER EVER on german stamps !!!
Those overprints are only on stamps from Czechoslovakia
FAKE first class.
Sudeten Pilsen : Really ? on a stamp from 1936 ?
Sudetenland was not occupied until 1938 !!!
FAKE first class.
Pernik : Really ? This is a town in Bulgaria !!!
FAKE first class.
SS Legion Flandern : The Flemish Legion was a military unit consisting of Flemish
volunteers who fought alongside the Germans during
the Second World War against the Red Army of
the Soviet Union on the Eastern Front.
There are stamps of this legion but no overprints on german stamps.
Dear collectors, if you know anything about history, you can find the Fakes easily.
@Gerom : These stamps have nothing to do with the occupation of the Sudetenland in 1938.
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re: SS Spanish Blue Division
Example of stamps of the Dutch Legion :
Example of stamps of the Flemish Legion :
Example of stamps of the Wallonian Legion :
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10:51:11am
re: SS Spanish Blue Division
I am sorry...you are right HockeyNut.I post the bad stamps for "Overprints Souvenirs"of Sudete.
What you say about these:
Overprint with german names of czech cities:
Aag=Doubi Eger=Cheb Saaz=Zatec Haida=Novy Bor
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re: SS Spanish Blue Division
Well now that is interesting!
I personaly never seen this kind of overprints.
But that says nothing of course.
I will look into that!
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re: SS Spanish Blue Division
Well, well, well
I was browsing on the internet and what do you think about this gerom :
I saw this on e-bay
https://www.benl.ebay.be/str/haydenphilatelics?_pgn=3
A guy who called himself HAYDEN_STAMPS and says he is from the USA and he advertise on the ebay site of the benelux (Belgium, Netherlands and Luxemburg)
For the stamp I included above he is asking 4 US dollars !!!!!!
Pages and pages of JUNK. Realy ! I can not believe that there are collectors that buy that stuff.
Another stamp he sells is this one :
That supposed to be the city ARNHEIM which is german for ARNHEM (a place in the Netherlands)
Need no more to say, I believe
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re: SS Spanish Blue Division
HaHaHaHa
It is getting weird, i am falling of my chair with laughter.
A german stamp of 1944 with an overprint of the Krim (Ukraine, but now-a-days Russia)
His description :
GERMANY RUSSIA (KRIM) 1942 WWII-GERMAN OCC. 15+10 Rpf.
Ha ha The Krim fight from 1942 on a 1944 stamp
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03:53:59pm
re: SS Spanish Blue Division
I found these overprinted stamps on a Romanian sell site,a lot of 5 start auction for 1$.
I don't buy stamps if they aren't in catalog.But Michel refer to this "Overprints souvenirs"for the Sudete stamps.
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re: SS Spanish Blue Division
"I don't buy stamps if they aren't in catalog."
@Gerom :
Very, very wise dicision.
If everyone would do this, those websites would disappear.
They earn a lot of money.
They take a 5 cents stamp, make an overprint on that stamp and sells them on the internet for 4 US Dollars
So fellow collectors leave that stuff alone
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re: SS Spanish Blue Division
5 cents? It's bundleware so the value is negligible. they can be bought by the sheet.
My experience is that this kind of stuff is targeted to very different buyers: for one the gullible stamp collector who is confused by the huge amount of genuine overprints and can't be bothered to check whether some overprint really existed or was fabricated and the world war 2 / nazi fanatic who gets excited by the face of Hitler or a swastika.
Anything sells if there is a vague nazi association, at least that's my experience. When I sell old German reich stamps, the Hitler definitives always sell first, even though they are the most common and least valuable of all.
As long as there is this fascination, people will cater to it. Nothing new really, in the Middle ages they sold splinters of the real cross. When pieced together, there would be enough wood for a complete forest Same with relics: many saints must have had at least 6 heads, 10 hearts, 5 hands etc.
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