All I have with me are these at the moment.
WM Michel IV
WM Michel V
WM Michel VI
Of course Michel IV is Scott WM 136a.
And Scott does not distinguish the other two WMs, though they are clearly distinct.
I'm sure you didn't mean it the way that it sounds. So as not to cause any confusion,
Michel watermarks V and VI are Scott watermark 136.
I knew what you meant, I have a Michel, and my collection separates wmk 5 and wmk 6. I know that wmk 3(135 circles) has a 4 point star and VI (paper makers mark) 4 times per sheet. I have a 12 f postage due wmk 4, perf 11.5(scott 15a) Unused that clearly shows a VI in the space between 4 of the crowns. I have not heard mention of VI being on any other watermark except wmk3. This is not the best picture, but you can clearly see it.
Any idea what this is? The only one like it I have seen in the thousands of 136a stamps I have. Thanks for those images by the way.
The paper grade watermark, which was IV for postage stamps, was used on stamps with crown watermarks between 1899 and 1908. Up to 1904, when the cross on the crown was (incorrectly) titled to the right, you would see IV, otherwise you would see VI. After that, IV is shown when cross is correctly tilted left.
On the small crown WM (136a) the IV/VI appeared once per sheet of 400 stamps, so its rarer than in the circle/oval WMs of previous issues. Not all sheets will have the IV/VI if it occurred on the edge of the paper sheet.
Thank you Lewis! This is the first one I have found, but now will keep my eyes out for more. It's amazing that this is not mentioned anywhere. Where did you find this info?
This image from the MBA catalog was provided by Csaba Kohalmi from the Society for Hungarian Philately. Now I need to look for one with the IV diamond.
That's from the Magyar Posta catalog. The most recent I have is 2012/2013. Here is the latest:
https://eshop.posta.hu/storefront/belyeg/belyeggy-jtesi-kellekek/magyar-posta-es-illetekbelyeg-katalogus-2016-17/prod4104841.html
Does anyone have images of the full sheet of early Hungarian watermarks? I especially need 136a as I have an anomaly to check on.
re: Hungary Watermarks
All I have with me are these at the moment.
WM Michel IV
WM Michel V
WM Michel VI
re: Hungary Watermarks
Of course Michel IV is Scott WM 136a.
And Scott does not distinguish the other two WMs, though they are clearly distinct.
re: Hungary Watermarks
I'm sure you didn't mean it the way that it sounds. So as not to cause any confusion,
Michel watermarks V and VI are Scott watermark 136.
re: Hungary Watermarks
I knew what you meant, I have a Michel, and my collection separates wmk 5 and wmk 6. I know that wmk 3(135 circles) has a 4 point star and VI (paper makers mark) 4 times per sheet. I have a 12 f postage due wmk 4, perf 11.5(scott 15a) Unused that clearly shows a VI in the space between 4 of the crowns. I have not heard mention of VI being on any other watermark except wmk3. This is not the best picture, but you can clearly see it.
Any idea what this is? The only one like it I have seen in the thousands of 136a stamps I have. Thanks for those images by the way.
re: Hungary Watermarks
The paper grade watermark, which was IV for postage stamps, was used on stamps with crown watermarks between 1899 and 1908. Up to 1904, when the cross on the crown was (incorrectly) titled to the right, you would see IV, otherwise you would see VI. After that, IV is shown when cross is correctly tilted left.
On the small crown WM (136a) the IV/VI appeared once per sheet of 400 stamps, so its rarer than in the circle/oval WMs of previous issues. Not all sheets will have the IV/VI if it occurred on the edge of the paper sheet.
re: Hungary Watermarks
Thank you Lewis! This is the first one I have found, but now will keep my eyes out for more. It's amazing that this is not mentioned anywhere. Where did you find this info?
re: Hungary Watermarks
This image from the MBA catalog was provided by Csaba Kohalmi from the Society for Hungarian Philately. Now I need to look for one with the IV diamond.
re: Hungary Watermarks
That's from the Magyar Posta catalog. The most recent I have is 2012/2013. Here is the latest:
https://eshop.posta.hu/storefront/belyeg/belyeggy-jtesi-kellekek/magyar-posta-es-illetekbelyeg-katalogus-2016-17/prod4104841.html