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Europe/Germany : Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

 

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BigDaddyDave

11 Sep 2017
03:41:14pm
I've acquired the following German stamps that are still attached to a card. As you can see, both of them are from the Nazi era and the postmarks are so good, I'm hesitant to remove them from the paper to add them to my collection. Will it make a difference or not?

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11 Sep 2017
04:17:07pm
re: Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

The post card was not postally used, so the cancels are favor cancels. If the stamps are removed, the stamps would be considered to be CTO.

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PhilaStore

11 Sep 2017
04:51:25pm
re: Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

I noticed that the 2 cancellations have different dates

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Opa
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11 Sep 2017
05:02:23pm
re: Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

I would not remove the stamps from the card. There are differences in cancels that can be rarer than others. If you look at the right one on the card you see a "bd" to the right of the 2,on the left cancel below the swastika there is a "b". These correspond to the place of cancel.

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Here the same cancels with "cg" and "a".

Differences in the date of both cancels are simply because these are CTO´s. The card was not postaly used, so this is not of importance. I have seen many CTO cancels from the third Reich where Special Cancels on cards have had 2 dates.

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11 Sep 2017
11:03:40pm
re: Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

Opa, your comment was more correct than mine regarding the CTO.

I was trying to differentiate the stamps on the card displaying the "favor cancel", but if taken off the card, the stamps would merely look like any other stamps that are canceled to order. The implication is that the stamps are probably worth more on the cover than off of it.

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BigDaddyDave

11 Sep 2017
11:44:24pm
re: Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

Thanks to everyone for their feedback. Take Care, Big Daddy Dave

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12 Sep 2017
08:39:53am

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re: Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

It is a pair of favor cancels. However, it is also a piece of history. The later date is Anschluss, or the absorption of Austria into Germany. The earlier date commemorates the fifth anniversary of the Nazi regime. To remove the stamp is to lose those dates and the significance they had for every German and Austrian.

Germans were acutely aware of political and military events, and commemorated them philatelically.

Keep 'em together.


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Stampme

12 Sep 2017
05:12:22pm
re: Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

The single line auxiliary slogan handstamp below the Munich cancel also documents Hitler in Vienna which corresponds to the date of the Munich cancel.
While nothing rare or valuable, the card does document postal history or at least history.

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BigDaddyDave

11 Sep 2017
03:41:14pm

I've acquired the following German stamps that are still attached to a card. As you can see, both of them are from the Nazi era and the postmarks are so good, I'm hesitant to remove them from the paper to add them to my collection. Will it make a difference or not?

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Thanks, Big Daddy Dave

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michael78651

11 Sep 2017
04:17:07pm

re: Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

The post card was not postally used, so the cancels are favor cancels. If the stamps are removed, the stamps would be considered to be CTO.

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PhilaStore

11 Sep 2017
04:51:25pm

re: Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

I noticed that the 2 cancellations have different dates

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Opa

11 Sep 2017
05:02:23pm

re: Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

I would not remove the stamps from the card. There are differences in cancels that can be rarer than others. If you look at the right one on the card you see a "bd" to the right of the 2,on the left cancel below the swastika there is a "b". These correspond to the place of cancel.

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Here the same cancels with "cg" and "a".

Differences in the date of both cancels are simply because these are CTO´s. The card was not postaly used, so this is not of importance. I have seen many CTO cancels from the third Reich where Special Cancels on cards have had 2 dates.

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michael78651

11 Sep 2017
11:03:40pm

re: Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

Opa, your comment was more correct than mine regarding the CTO.

I was trying to differentiate the stamps on the card displaying the "favor cancel", but if taken off the card, the stamps would merely look like any other stamps that are canceled to order. The implication is that the stamps are probably worth more on the cover than off of it.

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BigDaddyDave

11 Sep 2017
11:44:24pm

re: Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

Thanks to everyone for their feedback. Take Care, Big Daddy Dave

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12 Sep 2017
08:39:53am

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re: Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

It is a pair of favor cancels. However, it is also a piece of history. The later date is Anschluss, or the absorption of Austria into Germany. The earlier date commemorates the fifth anniversary of the Nazi regime. To remove the stamp is to lose those dates and the significance they had for every German and Austrian.

Germans were acutely aware of political and military events, and commemorated them philatelically.

Keep 'em together.


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Stampme

12 Sep 2017
05:12:22pm

re: Postmarks on Pre-WW II stamps

The single line auxiliary slogan handstamp below the Munich cancel also documents Hitler in Vienna which corresponds to the date of the Munich cancel.
While nothing rare or valuable, the card does document postal history or at least history.

Bruce

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