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United States/Stamps : 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

 

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angore
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17 Sep 2017
06:19:25pm
Here are my images for 10¢ Red Cloud

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SW (camera)
LW (camera)

Top Row
2175 10¢ Red Cloud lake, lg blk tagging, dull gum
2175a 10¢ Red Cloud lake, overall tag, dull gum
2175c 10¢ Red Cloud lake, solid tagging, dull gum

Bottom row
2175d 10¢ Red Cloud lake, mottled tagging, shiny gum
2175e 10¢ Red Cloud carmine, mottled tagging, shiny gum

The 2175e seems to look redder under an Ott Light but would not bet the farm. The tagging / gum help isolate.

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17 Sep 2017
07:42:32pm
re: 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

angore,

You're skilled at nailing down these varieties. Are you pulling these from accumulations and comparing them "side by side"?


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17 Sep 2017
08:08:50pm
re: 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

I have been preparing album pages for my Great Americans so sorting my samples for mounting and documenting them for future reference. I still need a few.

All these tagging varieties really can be confusing and a learning process for me but I like tagging. As of today, I have created all major custom pages for my modern era except for the Liberty ones with the completion of my Great Americans. I have been trying to get my camera set up tuned so I can get consistent results. I have learned somewhat how a camera reacts to SW compared to normal (white balance, etc).

I still have a couple to sort out (Buffalo Bill, Chennault) that I need to do more with to be sure I have them.

At some point, I want a complete set of pics for Great American stamps where there is more than one visible variety for reference since I cannot remember every nuance and then have to get out reference stamps to confirm.

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Jeredutt3

17 Sep 2017
11:07:58pm
re: 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

just becoming aware of the tagging. Are there references for these? Do have quite a few of these from accumulations and would be interested in doing some sorting..

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petert4522

19 Sep 2017
01:56:31pm
re: 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

Hi Jeredutt. One of the places for this particular series would be a journal called "The Plate Number". It was edited by an expert on these stamps and the journal gives lots of advise on these varieties. You may find the magazine on the website www.pnc3.org or just google it.

Peter

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19 Sep 2017
03:09:17pm
re: 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

Hi Peter,

These are beyond great. Please keep them coming.

Sean

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angore
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19 Sep 2017
06:35:39pm
re: 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

Many tagging varieties are listed in the Scott catalogue. Other sources are Esrati's reports in the Plate Number as mentioned, Durland, and other articles. What is less discussed is long wave aspects, hi brite papers, etc.

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malcolm197

20 Sep 2017
06:28:00am
re: 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

I am a big believer in reference copies - and the beauty is , it is a legitimate use for damaged stamps.

I have a stock book full of reference copies of every stamp I can lay my hands on that comes with more than one variation. It definitely beats getting all your albums out to compare new acquisitions with - 90% can be eliminated immediately using the reference copies.

How anyone can collect,for example, Great Britain decimal Machins, without reference copies beats me. I did it for years, and have spent the last 3 months setting up a reference collection from my duplicates ( and damaged ) knowing that the amount of time I will save in the future will more than compensate for this. In addition I have identified dozens of stamps I did not know I had.

Even perforation differences can be referenced in this way ( like the U.S airmails ), and where there are positional differences in designs judicious use of a pair of scissors can create templates to superimpose on complete stamps.

So when you buy accumulations do not automatically dump the damaged or duplicates - set up your own reference collection. However do make sure that your reference collection is accurately and fully annotated - otherwise your time-saving will be eliminated.

Malcolm

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angore

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17 Sep 2017
06:19:25pm

Here are my images for 10¢ Red Cloud

Normal (scanner)
SW (camera)
LW (camera)

Top Row
2175 10¢ Red Cloud lake, lg blk tagging, dull gum
2175a 10¢ Red Cloud lake, overall tag, dull gum
2175c 10¢ Red Cloud lake, solid tagging, dull gum

Bottom row
2175d 10¢ Red Cloud lake, mottled tagging, shiny gum
2175e 10¢ Red Cloud carmine, mottled tagging, shiny gum

The 2175e seems to look redder under an Ott Light but would not bet the farm. The tagging / gum help isolate.

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ernieinjax

17 Sep 2017
07:42:32pm

re: 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

angore,

You're skilled at nailing down these varieties. Are you pulling these from accumulations and comparing them "side by side"?


Ernie

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angore

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17 Sep 2017
08:08:50pm

re: 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

I have been preparing album pages for my Great Americans so sorting my samples for mounting and documenting them for future reference. I still need a few.

All these tagging varieties really can be confusing and a learning process for me but I like tagging. As of today, I have created all major custom pages for my modern era except for the Liberty ones with the completion of my Great Americans. I have been trying to get my camera set up tuned so I can get consistent results. I have learned somewhat how a camera reacts to SW compared to normal (white balance, etc).

I still have a couple to sort out (Buffalo Bill, Chennault) that I need to do more with to be sure I have them.

At some point, I want a complete set of pics for Great American stamps where there is more than one visible variety for reference since I cannot remember every nuance and then have to get out reference stamps to confirm.

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Jeredutt3

17 Sep 2017
11:07:58pm

re: 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

just becoming aware of the tagging. Are there references for these? Do have quite a few of these from accumulations and would be interested in doing some sorting..

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petert4522

19 Sep 2017
01:56:31pm

re: 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

Hi Jeredutt. One of the places for this particular series would be a journal called "The Plate Number". It was edited by an expert on these stamps and the journal gives lots of advise on these varieties. You may find the magazine on the website www.pnc3.org or just google it.

Peter

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seanpashby

19 Sep 2017
03:09:17pm

re: 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

Hi Peter,

These are beyond great. Please keep them coming.

Sean

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angore

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19 Sep 2017
06:35:39pm

re: 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

Many tagging varieties are listed in the Scott catalogue. Other sources are Esrati's reports in the Plate Number as mentioned, Durland, and other articles. What is less discussed is long wave aspects, hi brite papers, etc.

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malcolm197

20 Sep 2017
06:28:00am

re: 10¢ Red Cloud (Scott 2175)

I am a big believer in reference copies - and the beauty is , it is a legitimate use for damaged stamps.

I have a stock book full of reference copies of every stamp I can lay my hands on that comes with more than one variation. It definitely beats getting all your albums out to compare new acquisitions with - 90% can be eliminated immediately using the reference copies.

How anyone can collect,for example, Great Britain decimal Machins, without reference copies beats me. I did it for years, and have spent the last 3 months setting up a reference collection from my duplicates ( and damaged ) knowing that the amount of time I will save in the future will more than compensate for this. In addition I have identified dozens of stamps I did not know I had.

Even perforation differences can be referenced in this way ( like the U.S airmails ), and where there are positional differences in designs judicious use of a pair of scissors can create templates to superimpose on complete stamps.

So when you buy accumulations do not automatically dump the damaged or duplicates - set up your own reference collection. However do make sure that your reference collection is accurately and fully annotated - otherwise your time-saving will be eliminated.

Malcolm

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