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Question: Do all "VR" watermarks look inverted like mine? The Scott Catalogue does not mention any details about this. This is my only copy of this stamp, so I would like to know if others could check their copies and report back on this thread.
Thanks in advance,
Linus
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11:22:22am
The paper was hand made.
Stanley Gibbons Queen Victoria specialized catalogue gives listings for all the possible variations of position of the watermark
upright
reversed
inverted
inverted and reversed
All basically the same valuations within a few £'s.
Roy
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Thank you for that information, Roy.
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Criminal what they did to those embossed stamps, I think yours looks reversed and inverted so far more than a space filler as I recon many would want a copy of that watermark
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Gordy, Thanks, I agree that this stamp is inverted and reversed, but I had no idea there were 4 different watermark arrangements as Roy stated in his reply. This makes me want to hunt down the other 3 now. The embossed stamps were an early experiment in GB stamp production and were discontinued in 1856. Besides being expensive to manufacture, the stamps did not stick well to envelopes. The raised part of the stamp did not touch the envelope, leaving only a portion of the stamp stuck down. The stamps often fell off the letter in transit, causing complaints from postal staff and the public. The three embossed issues, Scott # 5,6, and 7 were the first high-value denomination GB stamps at one shilling, 10 pence, and 6 pence respectively. The estimated production number of each of these 3 stamps range from 1.5 million to 5.6 million. By contrast, the estimated number of Penny Blacks printed was more than 68 million, making the three embossed issues way more scarcer to find than the world's first adhesive postage stamp.
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Numbers 5-7 were printed by hand one stamp at a time so having one inverted is probably no big deal. The watermark on my #7 6p is upright in relation to QV's head. Scott lists 7d as watermark inverted and 7e as watermark inverted and reversed.
Scott also states that normal watermark 19 appears reversed when viewed from the front and as "VR" when viewed from the back. This should be taken into consideration when determining whether the watermark is inverted or reversed. It's pretty late but I'm not sure I would better understand all of that earlier in the day?
Both 7d and 7e catalog for $1,000 but being cut to shape their value would be just a bit more tha $20.00
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Scanned below, front and back, is my Great Britain Scott #7, the 6p red violet issue of 1854. It is cut-to-shape with a 2017 Scott Catalogue value of only $10.00, a space filler as it is trimmed into the stamp design. Inspired by another SOR post, I was reading about this issue recently. The 6p issue was printed on paper watermarked with "VR" for "Victoria Regina" which is Latin for Queen Victoria. This use of the "VR" watermark is unique to Great Britain #7, and was never used with any other stamp. In my scan below, my "VR" watermark is inverted with respect to Queen Victoria's head.
Question: Do all "VR" watermarks look inverted like mine? The Scott Catalogue does not mention any details about this. This is my only copy of this stamp, so I would like to know if others could check their copies and report back on this thread.
Thanks in advance,
Linus
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re: Great Britain Embossed 6p Violet of 1854
The paper was hand made.
Stanley Gibbons Queen Victoria specialized catalogue gives listings for all the possible variations of position of the watermark
upright
reversed
inverted
inverted and reversed
All basically the same valuations within a few £'s.
Roy
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re: Great Britain Embossed 6p Violet of 1854
Thank you for that information, Roy.
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re: Great Britain Embossed 6p Violet of 1854
Criminal what they did to those embossed stamps, I think yours looks reversed and inverted so far more than a space filler as I recon many would want a copy of that watermark
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re: Great Britain Embossed 6p Violet of 1854
Gordy, Thanks, I agree that this stamp is inverted and reversed, but I had no idea there were 4 different watermark arrangements as Roy stated in his reply. This makes me want to hunt down the other 3 now. The embossed stamps were an early experiment in GB stamp production and were discontinued in 1856. Besides being expensive to manufacture, the stamps did not stick well to envelopes. The raised part of the stamp did not touch the envelope, leaving only a portion of the stamp stuck down. The stamps often fell off the letter in transit, causing complaints from postal staff and the public. The three embossed issues, Scott # 5,6, and 7 were the first high-value denomination GB stamps at one shilling, 10 pence, and 6 pence respectively. The estimated production number of each of these 3 stamps range from 1.5 million to 5.6 million. By contrast, the estimated number of Penny Blacks printed was more than 68 million, making the three embossed issues way more scarcer to find than the world's first adhesive postage stamp.
Linus
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re: Great Britain Embossed 6p Violet of 1854
Numbers 5-7 were printed by hand one stamp at a time so having one inverted is probably no big deal. The watermark on my #7 6p is upright in relation to QV's head. Scott lists 7d as watermark inverted and 7e as watermark inverted and reversed.
Scott also states that normal watermark 19 appears reversed when viewed from the front and as "VR" when viewed from the back. This should be taken into consideration when determining whether the watermark is inverted or reversed. It's pretty late but I'm not sure I would better understand all of that earlier in the day?
Both 7d and 7e catalog for $1,000 but being cut to shape their value would be just a bit more tha $20.00
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