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Well, bozor is a bazaar, a market-place. But since this label has no country name it is evidently not a postage stamp.
The coat of arms looks like an image described by Shutterstock as "Smaller coat of arms of the Empire of Austria form Congress of Vienna 1815-1867". (https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/smaller-coat-arms-empire-austria-form-93498454)
This is as far as my Sunday morning googling will go! You may well have got as far yourself.
Wrong on pretty much every count - Prozor; it is a stamp; SG B&H, Austro-Hungarian Military Post, 1879 no.146a.
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I was thinking about local post or revenue because of the lack of country name. The cancel looks very post like;-)
Bozor for bazaar does throw in another revenue possibility. The coat of arms was definitely used by the Austrian Empire. I think it could even be related to the medieval Holy Roman Empire.
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Bosnia & Herzegovina Scott #6 (or 6a - depends on type) - Based on the date, probably 6a, type II of 1894.
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The postmark may be from Prozor in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
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Thanks Roy and Nigel. I guess it wasn't used outside the Austrian Empire due to its lack of country name. If SG is correct then a military post would make sense.
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"I guess it wasn't used outside the Austrian Empire due to its lack of country name."
I am not sure what you mean by that Danny. None of the early Austrian Empire stamps had the country name on them. Here are a couple of other examples:
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Hello BeeSee, I thought that was one of the UPU rules (formed in 1874)when post was crossing international borders. I could well be wrong as to when this kicked in. The Bosnia example is postmarked 1896 so I'm guessing so I would have expected a country name by then. By the 1883 issue in the main Scott Austrian listing I see the country name on them.
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It could be even more interesting than that. Below is a Google translation of a Bosnian article on Wikipedia.
The first postage stamp is issued on 1 July 1879 . years. There is a two-headed eagle with a coat of arms on the mark. The use of postage stamps since 1879 until 1908 . in addition to BiH, includes the Sandžak area ( German : Sandschak Novipazar), which falls under the Austrian Monarchy's military administration. At that time, it was unusual for military post offices, which were under the administration of the war ministry, to use civilian mail, which was the case in BiH. Due to language problems, the Austrian post office decided to issue stamps without any inscription, with the aim of pointing out the equality of languages ??and cultures in that relatively sensitive area. Until 1900 . The Austrian gulden (Forint) is divided into 100 coins (Kreuzer). Since 1900 . The crown is in use ( German : Krone) with a division of 100 helicopters ( German : Heller). The first series was issued in nine different values ??in nine colors: 1, 2, 3, 5, 10, 15, 25, 20, and ½ coins. The value is shown in the upper left and right corner.
The bit about sensitivity to regional languages is interesting.
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The colours are light and don't show up that well in my Scanner.
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Very nice Nikki.
We can see on one of the postmarks on your stamps "K und (and) K" and as part of the stamp design of one of BeeSee's "KKPOST". I'm sure collectors of Austria know exactly what that means. Would one like to share it with me, or us?
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Hi DannyS,
"K und K" is short for "kaiserlich und königlich" (imperial and royal) and refers to the "dual monarchy" constitution of Austro-Hungary where the Austrian emperor was also king of Hungary.
The very nice red stamp that BeeSee shared with us above has the similar abbreviation KKPOST-STEMPEL at the top.
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Kaiserlich und Königliche Post
= "Imperial and Royal" Post
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Thanks again to Roy and Nigel.
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Could anyone help me with this stamp? The coat of arms suggest the Austrian Empire and the posting date looks like 1896.
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Well, bozor is a bazaar, a market-place. But since this label has no country name it is evidently not a postage stamp.
The coat of arms looks like an image described by Shutterstock as "Smaller coat of arms of the Empire of Austria form Congress of Vienna 1815-1867". (https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/smaller-coat-arms-empire-austria-form-93498454)
This is as far as my Sunday morning googling will go! You may well have got as far yourself.
Wrong on pretty much every count - Prozor; it is a stamp; SG B&H, Austro-Hungarian Military Post, 1879 no.146a.
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Thanks Guthrum
I was thinking about local post or revenue because of the lack of country name. The cancel looks very post like;-)
Bozor for bazaar does throw in another revenue possibility. The coat of arms was definitely used by the Austrian Empire. I think it could even be related to the medieval Holy Roman Empire.
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Bosnia & Herzegovina Scott #6 (or 6a - depends on type) - Based on the date, probably 6a, type II of 1894.
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The postmark may be from Prozor in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
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Thanks Roy and Nigel. I guess it wasn't used outside the Austrian Empire due to its lack of country name. If SG is correct then a military post would make sense.
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"I guess it wasn't used outside the Austrian Empire due to its lack of country name."
I am not sure what you mean by that Danny. None of the early Austrian Empire stamps had the country name on them. Here are a couple of other examples:
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Hello BeeSee, I thought that was one of the UPU rules (formed in 1874)when post was crossing international borders. I could well be wrong as to when this kicked in. The Bosnia example is postmarked 1896 so I'm guessing so I would have expected a country name by then. By the 1883 issue in the main Scott Austrian listing I see the country name on them.
EDIT:
It could be even more interesting than that. Below is a Google translation of a Bosnian article on Wikipedia.
The first postage stamp is issued on 1 July 1879 . years. There is a two-headed eagle with a coat of arms on the mark. The use of postage stamps since 1879 until 1908 . in addition to BiH, includes the Sandžak area ( German : Sandschak Novipazar), which falls under the Austrian Monarchy's military administration. At that time, it was unusual for military post offices, which were under the administration of the war ministry, to use civilian mail, which was the case in BiH. Due to language problems, the Austrian post office decided to issue stamps without any inscription, with the aim of pointing out the equality of languages ??and cultures in that relatively sensitive area. Until 1900 . The Austrian gulden (Forint) is divided into 100 coins (Kreuzer). Since 1900 . The crown is in use ( German : Krone) with a division of 100 helicopters ( German : Heller). The first series was issued in nine different values ??in nine colors: 1, 2, 3, 5, 10, 15, 25, 20, and ½ coins. The value is shown in the upper left and right corner.
The bit about sensitivity to regional languages is interesting.
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The colours are light and don't show up that well in my Scanner.
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Very nice Nikki.
We can see on one of the postmarks on your stamps "K und (and) K" and as part of the stamp design of one of BeeSee's "KKPOST". I'm sure collectors of Austria know exactly what that means. Would one like to share it with me, or us?
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Hi DannyS,
"K und K" is short for "kaiserlich und königlich" (imperial and royal) and refers to the "dual monarchy" constitution of Austro-Hungary where the Austrian emperor was also king of Hungary.
The very nice red stamp that BeeSee shared with us above has the similar abbreviation KKPOST-STEMPEL at the top.
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Kaiserlich und Königliche Post
= "Imperial and Royal" Post
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