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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Batch of Stamps Sticking Together

 

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27 Jan 2018
11:52:44pm
I recently purchased a significant amount of Czechoslovakian stamps and was busy mounting them on Friday when my printer stopped working. Leaving them on my desk for several days I came back to them today and noted that the stamps I had already mounted were stuck to the mounts and those which I hadn't yet mounted and had lazily left on my desk were all stuck together.

Upon noting this I rushed to my other mounted and unmounted stamps but luckily these other stamps had not been effected. I live in an area with high humidity and have noted recommendations for these conditions which I have not yet taken up.

However I was wondering if other issues could be at play as well as the humidity for this particular batch of stamps.

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28 Jan 2018
12:51:17am
re: Batch of Stamps Sticking Together

The gum on Czech stamps reacts very quickly to humidity. Slight sweaty fingers will leave plenty of paw prints on the gum, and often stick the stamps together as well. The way the gum sometimes activates, one might consider them a precursor to the self-adhesives of today.

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28 Jan 2018
03:23:21am
re: Batch of Stamps Sticking Together

Michael

Thanks that was very informative

Are there other countries I should be aware of that can exhibit the same tendencies?

Finally are the stamps beyond redemption and may as well be thrown?

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28 Jan 2018
10:26:08am
re: Batch of Stamps Sticking Together

Richmond, you do not say whether the stamps were mint or used. If the latter then probably most are CTO so just soak the gum off.
As to the problem if they are mint then maybe time in the freezer will enable you to separate them. I think somewhere we have thread on this subject because using stamplift in a closed container comes to mind.
As the final solution maybe soak the mint and keep them as no gum.

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28 Jan 2018
02:43:00pm
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Sorry they were MLH

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28 Jan 2018
08:26:30pm
re: Batch of Stamps Sticking Together

Czech stamps have some of the best engraving.

The front side of all stamps are much more appealing than the side that gets licked and sticked. Soak em and float em, they will look just fine.

Don't throw them away, PM me I will pay for the shipping.

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29 Jan 2018
01:51:18am
re: Batch of Stamps Sticking Together

If you consider the presence of gum to have any value, you may try gentle heat, and bending the stamps a little. I have tried that a few times with old unused stamps that were "half-stuck" to album pages, sometimes it worked, and the stamps came off with minor damage to the gum and none to the stamp paper, sometimes they took a little of the printing of the album page with them (hence it is perhaps not a good idea if a stamp is stuck to the printed side of another), sometimes I had to resort to soaking anyway. In the end, I have now got a bunch of nice clean 1920s stamps unused without gum, which have probably lost most of their catalog value because of that condition, but that's fine with me. I don't collect for value.

I would be reluctant to try deep freezing, as cold conditions tend to cause condensation, and that may aggravate the problem.

Considering that the dextrin based gum of the Czech stamps (and of 1950s to 1960s German stamps, too) is rather easily soluble in water, and you are apparently living in a seaside town in a warm climate, I'd recommend either soaking off the gum, or sticking (pun intended) with used stamps.

Martin

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29 Jan 2018
12:55:51pm
re: Batch of Stamps Sticking Together

" ... The front side of all stamps are much more appealing
than the side that gets licked and sticked.
Soak em and float em, they will look just fine. ..."


That's exactly my feeling.

Now I know I am definiely destined for Hades.

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29 Jan 2018
07:02:09pm
re: Batch of Stamps Sticking Together

Hi Richmond;

"I live in an area with high humidity and have noted recommendations for these conditions which
I have not yet taken up."



Too bad you did not follow up on some really good advice, "have noted recommendations"
being your obvious mistake! Sad

@ everyone:

TO ALL OF YOU who do not live in the Sahara, or Death Valley, PAY ATTENTION, please! No
matter where you live, there are almost always certain times of year where relative humidity
can be too high.

These precautions used to prevent this problem are very cost effective and simple to do.

Just get a 5,000 BTU (room size) air conditioner, and a inexpensive temperature-humidity
meter. These should be used in a room with a door that can be closed 24/7, and a window
large enough to fit this sized air conditioner. If your stamps are stored in a basement, move
them upstairs immediately, or just throw them out!!! Crying

Yes the stamps of Czechoslovakia stick more easily than some others, but I lost a set of
Canada, Queen Victoria Jubilee, stamps that are now mint-no-gum and worth about 2%
of catalog value. Crying This will happen to all lick-em-stick-ums, sooner or later, no matter what
country they are from.

Your sweaty fingers have perspiration that includes salts and fatty (Greasy) acids. Wash
them every 30 minutes or more! The salts contained in your sweat likes moisture and will
pull water right from the atmosphere. So even low relative humidity will not protect your
collection entirely!!

Walmart has GE brand 5,000 BTU units for $125. They also utilize screw compressors instead
of piston types. These are so quiet you can hardly tell when the compressor is running. If
you continue to put off this necessary protection, you will destroy your entire collection with
way more than just damaged gum, but also moldy stamps, that are worthless no matter how
long you soak them. Then you will not only have worthless mint stamps, but all of your used
stamps will be worthless as well. Mold, once it has started, can spread unchecked and
growing 24/7 x 365, VERY quickly. Hurry Up

Michae##### has experimented with removing mold stains with ammonia and with fairly
good results. However do you want to do that to a collection of tens of thousands of
stamps? Good! I didn't think so. Now keep reading and PAY ATTENTION!

I use a GE 5,000 BTU unit in addition to monitoring relative humidity, to keep it at 70% or
lower. I use a six foot tall by three foot wide, metal cabinet for loose stamps in envelopes
and boxes. It was purchased second hand at a garage sale for $20. Inside I have six large
3 oz. size or larger desiccant packs.

Learn about desiccants here: Desiccant

Learn about silica gel here: Silica gel

Just one of many places to purchase silica gel here: purchase here or elsewhere

The above link is not to promote this particular source, but more to show an example of a
good reusable container and size for your cabinet. so buy the product anywhere you
like. However buy the largest size you can afford, several ounces or more. Make sure it is
advertised as rechargeable. Big Grin

I don't think anyone who collects stamps will recommend that you continue to do nothing
about this. It is akin to smoking cigarettes and whining about having lung cancer or short-
ness of breath.

If anyone thinks this reply is too harsh, then I do not apologize, as that was my intention.
Then I will not have to read about this unnecessary tragedy ever again. I Don't Want To See

Still just sortin'....
TuskenRaider

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30 Jan 2018
01:33:13pm
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Tusken:

It might be a bit too harsh, since Darwin is currently experiencing monsoon season, if I've been following the news correctly. A 5000 BTU A/C unit isn't going to do much in tropical climes.

-Darryl

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31 Jan 2018
05:31:48am
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Hi Darryl;

That size of AC used in a small room with the door kept closed will dry the air very quickly.
If you think otherwise, then get a dehumidifier with the capacity to handle that room size.

Do not expect a 5,000 BTU to cool a whole apartment, unless you want to replace it every
couple years. That would be just false economics, otherwise known as being a cheap skate.

Others do this, and it works very well for them.

As for harsh, that was my intent, so that everyone will pay attention and doesn't end up
losing a set of Canadian, Victoria Jubilees!

Still just soakin' & dryin'....
TuskenRaider


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31 Jan 2018
05:54:22am
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Tusken

This is Northern Australia most of us have ac across the house save for utility rooms and bathrooms. The ac is now on and staying on with the study door remaining closed on a permanent basis (save for access /egress)Happy.

I shall aim to follow your other recommendations by the end of this weekend.

Thanks Happy

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11:52:44pm

I recently purchased a significant amount of Czechoslovakian stamps and was busy mounting them on Friday when my printer stopped working. Leaving them on my desk for several days I came back to them today and noted that the stamps I had already mounted were stuck to the mounts and those which I hadn't yet mounted and had lazily left on my desk were all stuck together.

Upon noting this I rushed to my other mounted and unmounted stamps but luckily these other stamps had not been effected. I live in an area with high humidity and have noted recommendations for these conditions which I have not yet taken up.

However I was wondering if other issues could be at play as well as the humidity for this particular batch of stamps.

Regards


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28 Jan 2018
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re: Batch of Stamps Sticking Together

The gum on Czech stamps reacts very quickly to humidity. Slight sweaty fingers will leave plenty of paw prints on the gum, and often stick the stamps together as well. The way the gum sometimes activates, one might consider them a precursor to the self-adhesives of today.

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28 Jan 2018
03:23:21am

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Michael

Thanks that was very informative

Are there other countries I should be aware of that can exhibit the same tendencies?

Finally are the stamps beyond redemption and may as well be thrown?

Regards


Richmond

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28 Jan 2018
10:26:08am

re: Batch of Stamps Sticking Together

Richmond, you do not say whether the stamps were mint or used. If the latter then probably most are CTO so just soak the gum off.
As to the problem if they are mint then maybe time in the freezer will enable you to separate them. I think somewhere we have thread on this subject because using stamplift in a closed container comes to mind.
As the final solution maybe soak the mint and keep them as no gum.

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28 Jan 2018
02:43:00pm

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Sorry they were MLH

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28 Jan 2018
08:26:30pm

re: Batch of Stamps Sticking Together

Czech stamps have some of the best engraving.

The front side of all stamps are much more appealing than the side that gets licked and sticked. Soak em and float em, they will look just fine.

Don't throw them away, PM me I will pay for the shipping.

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29 Jan 2018
01:51:18am

re: Batch of Stamps Sticking Together

If you consider the presence of gum to have any value, you may try gentle heat, and bending the stamps a little. I have tried that a few times with old unused stamps that were "half-stuck" to album pages, sometimes it worked, and the stamps came off with minor damage to the gum and none to the stamp paper, sometimes they took a little of the printing of the album page with them (hence it is perhaps not a good idea if a stamp is stuck to the printed side of another), sometimes I had to resort to soaking anyway. In the end, I have now got a bunch of nice clean 1920s stamps unused without gum, which have probably lost most of their catalog value because of that condition, but that's fine with me. I don't collect for value.

I would be reluctant to try deep freezing, as cold conditions tend to cause condensation, and that may aggravate the problem.

Considering that the dextrin based gum of the Czech stamps (and of 1950s to 1960s German stamps, too) is rather easily soluble in water, and you are apparently living in a seaside town in a warm climate, I'd recommend either soaking off the gum, or sticking (pun intended) with used stamps.

Martin

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29 Jan 2018
12:55:51pm

re: Batch of Stamps Sticking Together

" ... The front side of all stamps are much more appealing
than the side that gets licked and sticked.
Soak em and float em, they will look just fine. ..."


That's exactly my feeling.

Now I know I am definiely destined for Hades.

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29 Jan 2018
07:02:09pm

re: Batch of Stamps Sticking Together

Hi Richmond;

"I live in an area with high humidity and have noted recommendations for these conditions which
I have not yet taken up."



Too bad you did not follow up on some really good advice, "have noted recommendations"
being your obvious mistake! Sad

@ everyone:

TO ALL OF YOU who do not live in the Sahara, or Death Valley, PAY ATTENTION, please! No
matter where you live, there are almost always certain times of year where relative humidity
can be too high.

These precautions used to prevent this problem are very cost effective and simple to do.

Just get a 5,000 BTU (room size) air conditioner, and a inexpensive temperature-humidity
meter. These should be used in a room with a door that can be closed 24/7, and a window
large enough to fit this sized air conditioner. If your stamps are stored in a basement, move
them upstairs immediately, or just throw them out!!! Crying

Yes the stamps of Czechoslovakia stick more easily than some others, but I lost a set of
Canada, Queen Victoria Jubilee, stamps that are now mint-no-gum and worth about 2%
of catalog value. Crying This will happen to all lick-em-stick-ums, sooner or later, no matter what
country they are from.

Your sweaty fingers have perspiration that includes salts and fatty (Greasy) acids. Wash
them every 30 minutes or more! The salts contained in your sweat likes moisture and will
pull water right from the atmosphere. So even low relative humidity will not protect your
collection entirely!!

Walmart has GE brand 5,000 BTU units for $125. They also utilize screw compressors instead
of piston types. These are so quiet you can hardly tell when the compressor is running. If
you continue to put off this necessary protection, you will destroy your entire collection with
way more than just damaged gum, but also moldy stamps, that are worthless no matter how
long you soak them. Then you will not only have worthless mint stamps, but all of your used
stamps will be worthless as well. Mold, once it has started, can spread unchecked and
growing 24/7 x 365, VERY quickly. Hurry Up

Michae##### has experimented with removing mold stains with ammonia and with fairly
good results. However do you want to do that to a collection of tens of thousands of
stamps? Good! I didn't think so. Now keep reading and PAY ATTENTION!

I use a GE 5,000 BTU unit in addition to monitoring relative humidity, to keep it at 70% or
lower. I use a six foot tall by three foot wide, metal cabinet for loose stamps in envelopes
and boxes. It was purchased second hand at a garage sale for $20. Inside I have six large
3 oz. size or larger desiccant packs.

Learn about desiccants here: Desiccant

Learn about silica gel here: Silica gel

Just one of many places to purchase silica gel here: purchase here or elsewhere

The above link is not to promote this particular source, but more to show an example of a
good reusable container and size for your cabinet. so buy the product anywhere you
like. However buy the largest size you can afford, several ounces or more. Make sure it is
advertised as rechargeable. Big Grin

I don't think anyone who collects stamps will recommend that you continue to do nothing
about this. It is akin to smoking cigarettes and whining about having lung cancer or short-
ness of breath.

If anyone thinks this reply is too harsh, then I do not apologize, as that was my intention.
Then I will not have to read about this unnecessary tragedy ever again. I Don't Want To See

Still just sortin'....
TuskenRaider

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30 Jan 2018
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Tusken:

It might be a bit too harsh, since Darwin is currently experiencing monsoon season, if I've been following the news correctly. A 5000 BTU A/C unit isn't going to do much in tropical climes.

-Darryl

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31 Jan 2018
05:31:48am

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Hi Darryl;

That size of AC used in a small room with the door kept closed will dry the air very quickly.
If you think otherwise, then get a dehumidifier with the capacity to handle that room size.

Do not expect a 5,000 BTU to cool a whole apartment, unless you want to replace it every
couple years. That would be just false economics, otherwise known as being a cheap skate.

Others do this, and it works very well for them.

As for harsh, that was my intent, so that everyone will pay attention and doesn't end up
losing a set of Canadian, Victoria Jubilees!

Still just soakin' & dryin'....
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31 Jan 2018
05:54:22am

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Tusken

This is Northern Australia most of us have ac across the house save for utility rooms and bathrooms. The ac is now on and staying on with the study door remaining closed on a permanent basis (save for access /egress)Happy.

I shall aim to follow your other recommendations by the end of this weekend.

Thanks Happy

Regards


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