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17 Feb 2018
03:35:33pm

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In my quest for New Jersey postmarks, I came across this one on eBay. Vauxhall, NJ is a substation of Union, NJ and still a current office. I bid $2 on this one, and expected to win uncontested like most of the covers I wind up buying.

Then a funny thing happened! I get the eSnipe "Outbid" notice so I go to investigate. I expected to see I was outbid by a dollar or so but WHAT DA HECK?

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There were two guys who just wouldn't let it be! Are these madmen or is there something about this cover I don't see?


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17 Feb 2018
04:07:09pm
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My guess would be either the addressee or the destination which I can't make out. Strange things happen on Ebay.

I once sold a cover off a stack of 50 identical covers - all #10 envelopes, all with a curved tear in the bottom. I paid another dealer a dollar for it - destination was the Antarctic but otherwise nondescript - it sold for a shade under $200.

Turned out it was a coal stop on the southbound run and no covers were known. The dealer I bought it from put one on a month later and it went for $10. There were only two people who really wanted it, and yet there were still 48 identical covers hanging around - what do you do with them ??

I expect much the same happened here - play with google a bit and the mystery will probably be solved - name, destination, date etc


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17 Feb 2018
04:25:17pm
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Perhaps this is the confirmation that we (stampfolk) are really nuts?
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17 Feb 2018
05:21:00pm
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Not sure about the recipient but Hilding Thyberg died 1st Dec. 1972 in New Jersey and was born 18th. June 1896. At some time she had applied for Social Security.
Could be a genealogical connection that someone in the family has made or it could be the "rare" inverted stamps and the 5 or so damaged ones, which of course makes them quite unique.

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17 Feb 2018
05:34:47pm
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Strangely her last residence is given as Deerfield Beach, Florida, 33441. So maybe it was only her social security that was issued by New Jersey.

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17 Feb 2018
05:45:55pm
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Where was it sent to ..... Pravda 3, Czechoslovakia ? Just a shot in the dark - lousy at modern penmanship (such as it is)..l.

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17 Feb 2018
06:28:16pm
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Hi,

The address is:

Praha 3
Chelcického 9


that is #9 on the street called Chelcického in Prague.

The second letter "c" in Chelcického is the Czech letter c with a hachek (v-shaped) accent which doesn't show here.

So yes it is indeed Czechoslovakia. Happy

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18 Feb 2018
05:04:48am
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It was sought for being an unusual postal rate and destination I am sure.

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18 Feb 2018
08:49:49am
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Smauggie is correct, this cover has interest to postal historians for its rate usage (air mail, registered).

Whether or not it is $54 worth of interest is debatable. I certainly would not have paid that amount but if you get two postal rate people competing for a missing cover in their collections then $54 becomes feasible.
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pigdoc

18 Feb 2018
09:49:08am
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Even more so when you have FOUR experienced bidders competing for an item. (All bidding after Tom's bid.) And, the winning bidder sniped it. Apparently, his proxy bid was even higher than $54.66.


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malcolm197

16 Mar 2018
07:51:55am
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Going back to the reference to the Antarctica cover it shows that if you fully research every aspect of the cover and publish the findings on your listing you can enhance the value. The key comment here starts "turned out...".If one of the sellers of the remaining covers puts that information in a listing it will pique someone's interest.

Collateral comments might help sell anything. Some people are too lazy to do research. It's all about getting your offering noticed.

Malcolm

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16 Mar 2018
02:28:21pm

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just in case it's not clear: PRAHA is the Czech name for PRAGUE

I found it odd that the country name did not appear on the envelope. Americans are not particularly famous for our knowledge of geography.

Anyone else notice it never arrived at its destination? A registered cover would have a receipt cancel on the reverse indicating its arrival at that stage in the registration process.


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16 Mar 2018
02:29:52pm

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funnier still.... the ebay listing is wrong: it shows the letter addressed to Sweden, not Czechoslovakia.

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16 Mar 2018
03:23:26pm
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I work in Union, NJ... Drive by the Vauxhaul Post Office often.

I'm wondering if the hand written date of 4/24/1961 is the date it arrived in Prague or it was returned? Like David said there is no receiving stamp either Czech or U.S (if returned).

A member of my stamp club has family in what was known as Czechoslovakia. At one of our Show & Tells, he brought in envelopes that his parents sent that were returned because the powers that be didn't like the stamps on the envelopes. I wonder if that may be the case here. Although I believe the stamps on the envelope were the Masaryk Champions of Liberty stamps. There are also no markings on the envelope that this is the case.

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16 Mar 2018
04:21:56pm
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My guess is that this went to an Italian buyer for the dramatic use of the Garibaldi stamp, with a destination that was nearby in Czechoslovakia. Likely for a Garibaldi topical collection.

I have several Italian buyers who would pay this kind of money for something that was "right up their alley".

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Tom in Exton, PA
17 Feb 2018
03:35:33pm

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In my quest for New Jersey postmarks, I came across this one on eBay. Vauxhall, NJ is a substation of Union, NJ and still a current office. I bid $2 on this one, and expected to win uncontested like most of the covers I wind up buying.

Then a funny thing happened! I get the eSnipe "Outbid" notice so I go to investigate. I expected to see I was outbid by a dollar or so but WHAT DA HECK?

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There were two guys who just wouldn't let it be! Are these madmen or is there something about this cover I don't see?


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17 Feb 2018
04:07:09pm

re: What Da?

My guess would be either the addressee or the destination which I can't make out. Strange things happen on Ebay.

I once sold a cover off a stack of 50 identical covers - all #10 envelopes, all with a curved tear in the bottom. I paid another dealer a dollar for it - destination was the Antarctic but otherwise nondescript - it sold for a shade under $200.

Turned out it was a coal stop on the southbound run and no covers were known. The dealer I bought it from put one on a month later and it went for $10. There were only two people who really wanted it, and yet there were still 48 identical covers hanging around - what do you do with them ??

I expect much the same happened here - play with google a bit and the mystery will probably be solved - name, destination, date etc


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dani20

17 Feb 2018
04:25:17pm

re: What Da?

Perhaps this is the confirmation that we (stampfolk) are really nuts?
Dan C.

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sheepshanks

17 Feb 2018
05:21:00pm

re: What Da?

Not sure about the recipient but Hilding Thyberg died 1st Dec. 1972 in New Jersey and was born 18th. June 1896. At some time she had applied for Social Security.
Could be a genealogical connection that someone in the family has made or it could be the "rare" inverted stamps and the 5 or so damaged ones, which of course makes them quite unique.

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sheepshanks

17 Feb 2018
05:34:47pm

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Strangely her last residence is given as Deerfield Beach, Florida, 33441. So maybe it was only her social security that was issued by New Jersey.

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17 Feb 2018
05:45:55pm

re: What Da?

Where was it sent to ..... Pravda 3, Czechoslovakia ? Just a shot in the dark - lousy at modern penmanship (such as it is)..l.

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nigelc

17 Feb 2018
06:28:16pm

re: What Da?

Hi,

The address is:

Praha 3
Chelcického 9


that is #9 on the street called Chelcického in Prague.

The second letter "c" in Chelcického is the Czech letter c with a hachek (v-shaped) accent which doesn't show here.

So yes it is indeed Czechoslovakia. Happy

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18 Feb 2018
05:04:48am

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It was sought for being an unusual postal rate and destination I am sure.

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18 Feb 2018
08:49:49am

re: What Da?

Smauggie is correct, this cover has interest to postal historians for its rate usage (air mail, registered).

Whether or not it is $54 worth of interest is debatable. I certainly would not have paid that amount but if you get two postal rate people competing for a missing cover in their collections then $54 becomes feasible.
Don

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pigdoc

18 Feb 2018
09:49:08am

re: What Da?

Even more so when you have FOUR experienced bidders competing for an item. (All bidding after Tom's bid.) And, the winning bidder sniped it. Apparently, his proxy bid was even higher than $54.66.


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malcolm197

16 Mar 2018
07:51:55am

re: What Da?

Going back to the reference to the Antarctica cover it shows that if you fully research every aspect of the cover and publish the findings on your listing you can enhance the value. The key comment here starts "turned out...".If one of the sellers of the remaining covers puts that information in a listing it will pique someone's interest.

Collateral comments might help sell anything. Some people are too lazy to do research. It's all about getting your offering noticed.

Malcolm

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16 Mar 2018
02:28:21pm

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re: What Da?

just in case it's not clear: PRAHA is the Czech name for PRAGUE

I found it odd that the country name did not appear on the envelope. Americans are not particularly famous for our knowledge of geography.

Anyone else notice it never arrived at its destination? A registered cover would have a receipt cancel on the reverse indicating its arrival at that stage in the registration process.


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16 Mar 2018
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re: What Da?

funnier still.... the ebay listing is wrong: it shows the letter addressed to Sweden, not Czechoslovakia.

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President - West Essex Philatelic Society www.wepsonline.org
16 Mar 2018
03:23:26pm

re: What Da?

I work in Union, NJ... Drive by the Vauxhaul Post Office often.

I'm wondering if the hand written date of 4/24/1961 is the date it arrived in Prague or it was returned? Like David said there is no receiving stamp either Czech or U.S (if returned).

A member of my stamp club has family in what was known as Czechoslovakia. At one of our Show & Tells, he brought in envelopes that his parents sent that were returned because the powers that be didn't like the stamps on the envelopes. I wonder if that may be the case here. Although I believe the stamps on the envelope were the Masaryk Champions of Liberty stamps. There are also no markings on the envelope that this is the case.

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"APS - AFDCS - GBCC - USSS - SCC - IPDA"

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16 Mar 2018
04:21:56pm

re: What Da?

My guess is that this went to an Italian buyer for the dramatic use of the Garibaldi stamp, with a destination that was nearby in Czechoslovakia. Likely for a Garibaldi topical collection.

I have several Italian buyers who would pay this kind of money for something that was "right up their alley".

Roy

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