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Rob1956
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22 Mar 2018
11:21:39pm
The very rare thin £2 and £2 with roller flaw (the latter believed to be unique) have Ceremuga certificates and both are classified as very rare. The blank blue squares are in place of stamps yet to be located.

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22 Mar 2018
11:42:56pm
re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Rob, what a splendid presentation of splendid stamps.

Enjoyed the stamp theft story as well. Have you done much work on the Kangaroo/Map stamps?

Cheers!
Eric


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Jeredutt3

23 Mar 2018
12:02:00am
re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Love how you show the thin papers from the back as well. Great stuff !

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23 Mar 2018
04:02:18am
re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Thanks Eric, I always believed that stamps present well with a black background. I thought adding a small historic newspaper clipping would enhance the interest in those particular stamps.

At the moment I haven't worked on the Kangaroo and Map stamps, but is on the list.

I'll be uploading the entire collection of Queen Elizabeth II from 1953-2018, though it will take some time to put them all together. The first instalment will from 1953-1973.

Rob

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23 Mar 2018
04:08:50am
re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

"Love how you show the thin papers from the back as well. Great stuff !"


Thanks Jeredutt3. I believed that using just the front of a stamp printed on thin paper would defeat the idea of displaying a thin stamp.

By displaying the back will show not only the thinness, but in some cases what a very thin stamp looks like from the back, such as the 5/- and £2 stamps in my display.

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24 Mar 2018
09:17:49pm
re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Hi Rob

Your posts are great reference materials.

Can I have your permission to save them to my database.

Horamakhet

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Horamakhet
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24 Mar 2018
10:03:33pm
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Hi Rob

I think I have this one correct, the two on the extreme left are white wattles, the others normal.
I have noticed that there are progressive shades from light to dark of the normal wattles as well as thin paper, is this correct, or is it my imagination.

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Horamakhet

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25 Mar 2018
12:53:59pm
re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Sorry for the delay in responding Horamakhet, feel free to do so.

Rob

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25 Mar 2018
01:35:30pm
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The "white wattles" which is actually an ink stripped stamp is shown above, notice that the wattle leaves and wattle flowers lack definition and the Kings face also lacks definition. All your 3d blues have defined wattle leaves, wattle flowers and Kings head.

The easiest way to tell if you have a very scarce "white wattles" is the two short lines on the left side of the stamp, only the "white wattles" have them.

It is correct to say that there are various shades for the 3d blue, the scarcest shade is Prussian blue and there is a thin paper that goes with the Prussian Blue. I encountered 6 thins of the 3d blue, and I believe I have the complete collection of 3d blues.

All John Ash printings were of thick paper, and W.C.G. McCracken thick and thin paper. He used the Ash plates for the thick and later burnished the plates (removed the Ash imprint and substituting it with his own imprint, in the process weakening the plates and causing cracks to appear along the McCracken and later the "By Authority" imprints).

Rob


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25 Mar 2018
04:26:34pm
re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Hi Rob

Thanks for that

I always learn something new from your posts

You should write a book on Australian Philately.

Horamakhet

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25 Mar 2018
09:53:06pm
re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

It's good to know that my posts are educational, maybe one day when I have a few more much sought after stamps I'll create a book based on the stamps. At the moment I'm continuing a research based on the ½d kangaroo, it was started in 1952 by two philatelic experts and I now have the job to continue with the research based on the ½d varieties.

There are literally thousands of stamps I need to go through plus re-organising what has been done, a mammoth task but rewarding.

Rob

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26 Mar 2018
08:14:09am
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Hi Rob

You can see two short whit lines on this microscopic close up, and both copies have them, so hopefully this is the white wattles varietie

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Horamakhet


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Benque

26 Mar 2018
11:05:11am
re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Horamakhet,
The two short white lines in Rob's image are quite clear. I see nothing at all in your image. Can you take another look, and perhaps put arrows pointing to them.
Dennis

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26 Mar 2018
01:50:35pm
re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

"You can see two short whit lines on this microscopic close up, and both copies have them, so hopefully this is the white wattles varietie"


Sorry Horamakhet, still no "white wattles", the smaller blue lines can be better seen by a magnifying glass.

The blue lines are actually the correct size, the double break in the inner frame makes the lines look smaller, but in philately they are referred to as "shorter lines".

Your stamps must have these shorter lines to be a "white wattles". These broken lines are very distinctive and only need a magnifier to see them properly.

The lines that I am referring to are always seen in the spot shown by the red arrows, nowhere else on the stamp.

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Horamakhet
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26 Mar 2018
04:26:42pm
re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Hi Rob

Just to clarify, are the white or blue lines the shorter lines? I have a few with the blue lines shorter?


Also Bengue, I am a very basic computer user, so how do I put the red arrows to emphasis a point.
Most appreciative of all the help

Regards

Horamakhet

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26 Mar 2018
06:39:09pm
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"Just to clarify, are the white or blue lines the shorter lines? I have a few with the blue lines shorter?"



There are no white lines, just a white background, the lines are blue. As I mentioned, the lines in question are always in the one spot, there are only two "short" blue lines as shown in the images I posted, If you have found a 3d blue and the lines are elsewhere, then those stamps are not the "white wattles".

The two breaks in the inner border give an appearance that the blue lines are shorter. Use the large images of my stamp as a reference to searching for the wattles, if it does not look like that stamp then it is not the same.

Rob

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01 Apr 2018
02:14:16am
re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Hi Rob

Could I be a pest and ask for a close up of the pantaloon & Koala in tree varities of the 150th anniversary of NSW

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Horamakhet

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01 Apr 2018
06:38:28am
re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Hi Horamakhet

The Pantaloon is the colour flaw on the front of the sailors pants, and the koala is the colour flaw on the side of the tree.

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03 Apr 2018
05:20:34pm
re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Hi Rob

Thanks for that,

I will lot through all my copies.

Regards

Horamakhet

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11:21:39pm

The very rare thin £2 and £2 with roller flaw (the latter believed to be unique) have Ceremuga certificates and both are classified as very rare. The blank blue squares are in place of stamps yet to be located.

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22 Mar 2018
11:42:56pm

re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Rob, what a splendid presentation of splendid stamps.

Enjoyed the stamp theft story as well. Have you done much work on the Kangaroo/Map stamps?

Cheers!
Eric


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Jeredutt3

23 Mar 2018
12:02:00am

re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Love how you show the thin papers from the back as well. Great stuff !

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23 Mar 2018
04:02:18am

re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Thanks Eric, I always believed that stamps present well with a black background. I thought adding a small historic newspaper clipping would enhance the interest in those particular stamps.

At the moment I haven't worked on the Kangaroo and Map stamps, but is on the list.

I'll be uploading the entire collection of Queen Elizabeth II from 1953-2018, though it will take some time to put them all together. The first instalment will from 1953-1973.

Rob

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23 Mar 2018
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re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

"Love how you show the thin papers from the back as well. Great stuff !"


Thanks Jeredutt3. I believed that using just the front of a stamp printed on thin paper would defeat the idea of displaying a thin stamp.

By displaying the back will show not only the thinness, but in some cases what a very thin stamp looks like from the back, such as the 5/- and £2 stamps in my display.

Rob

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24 Mar 2018
09:17:49pm

re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Hi Rob

Your posts are great reference materials.

Can I have your permission to save them to my database.

Horamakhet

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Horamakhet

24 Mar 2018
10:03:33pm

re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

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Hi Rob

I think I have this one correct, the two on the extreme left are white wattles, the others normal.
I have noticed that there are progressive shades from light to dark of the normal wattles as well as thin paper, is this correct, or is it my imagination.

Regards

Horamakhet

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25 Mar 2018
12:53:59pm

re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Sorry for the delay in responding Horamakhet, feel free to do so.

Rob

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re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

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The "white wattles" which is actually an ink stripped stamp is shown above, notice that the wattle leaves and wattle flowers lack definition and the Kings face also lacks definition. All your 3d blues have defined wattle leaves, wattle flowers and Kings head.

The easiest way to tell if you have a very scarce "white wattles" is the two short lines on the left side of the stamp, only the "white wattles" have them.

It is correct to say that there are various shades for the 3d blue, the scarcest shade is Prussian blue and there is a thin paper that goes with the Prussian Blue. I encountered 6 thins of the 3d blue, and I believe I have the complete collection of 3d blues.

All John Ash printings were of thick paper, and W.C.G. McCracken thick and thin paper. He used the Ash plates for the thick and later burnished the plates (removed the Ash imprint and substituting it with his own imprint, in the process weakening the plates and causing cracks to appear along the McCracken and later the "By Authority" imprints).

Rob


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25 Mar 2018
04:26:34pm

re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Hi Rob

Thanks for that

I always learn something new from your posts

You should write a book on Australian Philately.

Horamakhet

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Member ACCC (Australian Commonwealth Collectors Club of NSW)
25 Mar 2018
09:53:06pm

re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

It's good to know that my posts are educational, maybe one day when I have a few more much sought after stamps I'll create a book based on the stamps. At the moment I'm continuing a research based on the ½d kangaroo, it was started in 1952 by two philatelic experts and I now have the job to continue with the research based on the ½d varieties.

There are literally thousands of stamps I need to go through plus re-organising what has been done, a mammoth task but rewarding.

Rob

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Horamakhet

26 Mar 2018
08:14:09am

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Hi Rob

You can see two short whit lines on this microscopic close up, and both copies have them, so hopefully this is the white wattles varietie

Regards

Horamakhet


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Benque

26 Mar 2018
11:05:11am

re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Horamakhet,
The two short white lines in Rob's image are quite clear. I see nothing at all in your image. Can you take another look, and perhaps put arrows pointing to them.
Dennis

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26 Mar 2018
01:50:35pm

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"You can see two short whit lines on this microscopic close up, and both copies have them, so hopefully this is the white wattles varietie"


Sorry Horamakhet, still no "white wattles", the smaller blue lines can be better seen by a magnifying glass.

The blue lines are actually the correct size, the double break in the inner frame makes the lines look smaller, but in philately they are referred to as "shorter lines".

Your stamps must have these shorter lines to be a "white wattles". These broken lines are very distinctive and only need a magnifier to see them properly.

The lines that I am referring to are always seen in the spot shown by the red arrows, nowhere else on the stamp.

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26 Mar 2018
04:26:42pm

re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Hi Rob

Just to clarify, are the white or blue lines the shorter lines? I have a few with the blue lines shorter?


Also Bengue, I am a very basic computer user, so how do I put the red arrows to emphasis a point.
Most appreciative of all the help

Regards

Horamakhet

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Member ACCC (Australian Commonwealth Collectors Club of NSW)
26 Mar 2018
06:39:09pm

re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

"Just to clarify, are the white or blue lines the shorter lines? I have a few with the blue lines shorter?"



There are no white lines, just a white background, the lines are blue. As I mentioned, the lines in question are always in the one spot, there are only two "short" blue lines as shown in the images I posted, If you have found a 3d blue and the lines are elsewhere, then those stamps are not the "white wattles".

The two breaks in the inner border give an appearance that the blue lines are shorter. Use the large images of my stamp as a reference to searching for the wattles, if it does not look like that stamp then it is not the same.

Rob

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01 Apr 2018
02:14:16am

re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Hi Rob

Could I be a pest and ask for a close up of the pantaloon & Koala in tree varities of the 150th anniversary of NSW

Regards

Horamakhet

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01 Apr 2018
06:38:28am

re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Hi Horamakhet

The Pantaloon is the colour flaw on the front of the sailors pants, and the koala is the colour flaw on the side of the tree.

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03 Apr 2018
05:20:34pm

re: Nearly complete Very Rare King George VI collection

Hi Rob

Thanks for that,

I will lot through all my copies.

Regards

Horamakhet

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