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Type I — First “C” in bottom line nearly closed.
Type II — “C” open. Line broken below “Q.”
The image looks like the "C" is open but the line below the "Q" appears to be solid.
When I did a search on HipStamp and Ebay, most of the images for 23a look like my stamp. I have doubts those are identified correctly. There was a used stamp on HipStamp where the "C" actually looks close to being closed. I'm attaching an image below.
The other option is that the stamp is a counterfeit of forgery. Early stamps of Italy have been known to have numerous dubious issues.
Does anyone have any expertise in this area? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Bob
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It is an "official" forgery from Naples (as stated in the Serrane Guide, whatever "official" means) of the Die II. The genuine Die II would look similar to the Die I you have pictured, but the "C" would be open, and the line below the "Q" would be broken. (Note that there is a transfer flaw with Die II where the line below the "Q" is found complete.
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Awesome. Thanks Michael. Didn't think it was legit.
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Hi Michael,
Does Serrane give any help in distinguishing between the official forgery and the original transfer flaw?
By the way SG lists six stamps:
First "C" in bottom inscr half closed (11 Feb):
SG 6 15c blue
SG 6a deep blue
SG 6b "C" completely closed (="O")
"C" open and line broken below Q (16 Apr):
SG 7 15c blue
SG 7a deep blue
SG 7b Line below "Q" unbroken
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"By the way SG lists six stamps:"
Now you have me digging through my duplicates. I know there's another 23 in there somewhere, but my filing system has let me down. It's not in Italy Before 1900 where it ought to be, so where is it?
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Haha! It happens to me too. I've recently mislaid my independent Morocco stamps.
I remember putting them somewhere safe until I got a new binder but not where that was!
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President - West Essex Philatelic Society www.wepsonline.org
28 Apr 2018
04:34:02pm
I'm attaching an image of a stamp that looks like Italy 23 (type II) or 23a (Type I). According to Scott the difference is:
Type I — First “C” in bottom line nearly closed.
Type II — “C” open. Line broken below “Q.”
The image looks like the "C" is open but the line below the "Q" appears to be solid.
When I did a search on HipStamp and Ebay, most of the images for 23a look like my stamp. I have doubts those are identified correctly. There was a used stamp on HipStamp where the "C" actually looks close to being closed. I'm attaching an image below.
The other option is that the stamp is a counterfeit of forgery. Early stamps of Italy have been known to have numerous dubious issues.
Does anyone have any expertise in this area? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Bob
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re: Italy 23 or 23a or Forgery/Counterfeit?
It is an "official" forgery from Naples (as stated in the Serrane Guide, whatever "official" means) of the Die II. The genuine Die II would look similar to the Die I you have pictured, but the "C" would be open, and the line below the "Q" would be broken. (Note that there is a transfer flaw with Die II where the line below the "Q" is found complete.
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President - West Essex Philatelic Society www.wepsonline.org
29 Apr 2018
10:25:00am
re: Italy 23 or 23a or Forgery/Counterfeit?
Awesome. Thanks Michael. Didn't think it was legit.
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re: Italy 23 or 23a or Forgery/Counterfeit?
Hi Michael,
Does Serrane give any help in distinguishing between the official forgery and the original transfer flaw?
By the way SG lists six stamps:
First "C" in bottom inscr half closed (11 Feb):
SG 6 15c blue
SG 6a deep blue
SG 6b "C" completely closed (="O")
"C" open and line broken below Q (16 Apr):
SG 7 15c blue
SG 7a deep blue
SG 7b Line below "Q" unbroken
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06:48:31pm
re: Italy 23 or 23a or Forgery/Counterfeit?
"By the way SG lists six stamps:"
Now you have me digging through my duplicates. I know there's another 23 in there somewhere, but my filing system has let me down. It's not in Italy Before 1900 where it ought to be, so where is it?
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re: Italy 23 or 23a or Forgery/Counterfeit?
Haha! It happens to me too. I've recently mislaid my independent Morocco stamps.
I remember putting them somewhere safe until I got a new binder but not where that was!
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