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hello all. here our a few blocks of four I got this week, hope you like them, regards ken.
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Hi Ken
It is always nice when you can obtain blocks of four,
It also makes it easier to distinguish varieties as well, particularly when it may be on only one of the four.
Nice stamps
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...and, I like to use blocks of four to actually display varieties. Like this one:
Danish West Indies Scott #24c (MLH). The variety stamp catalogs at about 20X the others in this block. Watching for a block with the straight-tail 2, also.
-Paul
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Somehow, blocks of four make stamps more, uh, real.
Don't understand it any better than I can describe it.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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A block of 4 MUH £1 robes on thin paper with "By Authority" imprint.
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Just curious, did any of the Scandinavian collectors here pick out the "variety" stamp in my DWI block of 4? It has a rather trivial distinction, but the stamp is a key value in any collection striving for completeness (entirely possible with DWI). Hint: it's the stamp in the lower right that is the "variety".
Frame orientation (normal or inverted) is a major distinction for any of the Denmark, DWI, and Iceland "bi-colors".
For easy reference (and, avoiding any pencil marks on the reverse!), I display my bi-colors that have inverted frames upside-down. (An inverted center is much easier to visualize!).
-Paul
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The cameo (is that what you call it?) breaks the thin line at the bottom of the stamp - all the rest just about miss it. (Hope that's right - varieties are not my strong suit!)
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Inverted frame on one stamp. Very nice in a block!
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Actually, NORMAL frame on the one in the lower right, INVERTED frames on the other three. Not so ironically, the normal frame is much less common than the inverted frame on this issue...
A good illustration of the idea that words like "normal" and "inverted" are always relative. Hence, my propensity to exhibit inverted frames so it looks like the center is inverted!
-Paul
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How on Earth can you tell an inverted frame from one that is right-side-up?!?
I'll admit to not having spent much time before this trying to identify that variety on Finland and Russian stamps, but I really did peer closely at the block of 4 above, and just cannot see the difference.
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;-)
-Paul
PS: For the last 10 years or so, those tiny areas of these series (the bi-colors of Denmark, DWI, and Iceland) have garnered a WHOLE LOT of my attention!
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Ken, Thanks for starting this topic. Here are a few used Australian blocks from my collection.
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Hi to all,
This is one of my favourite Geo VI Definitives. It also possibly a thin paper block of four.
Regards
Horamakhet
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So Linus, is that a color variation in the lower left stamp of that block of $1 stamps commemorating ANZAC participation in Vietnam?
And, I DO love the distinct date cancellations on all 3 blocks!
-Paul
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Hi Horamakhet, your block of 4 is definitely thin paper, I assume they are MUH, can't really tell by the small scan, a MUH block of 4 is worth (invoice value) about $200.
Normal paper
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Thin paper - reverse
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Pigdoc, That is a keen observation on your part. Yes, the color is different on the lower left stamp of the ANZAC "traffic-light" gutter block. I had not noticed that before.
Thanks for the kind words. I love blocks, or "real" stamp collecting, as Mr. ikeyP calls it.
Linus
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I came across this block of 4 (or is it 8) in a collection recently. Romania RA33-RA34.
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hello all. very nice stamps from all, will post a few more in a couple of days, all my Australian blocks are cancelled, all the best ken.
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hello all. hope you enjoy the latest blocks, these are the last ones I have from Australia. all the best. ken
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Hi Rob
Yes the George Vi are MUH,
I only have very few blocks of MUH
Will find others and post.
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Hi Rob and everyone
Here is another block of four.
Again thin paper, MUH
All these blocks are packed away at present, until I sort through all the George V, or until I get more time to spend on them.
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Some more blocks of four
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Hi Horamakhet
There is no thin paper 1949 UPS issue, even though there are some unlisted thin paper issues in the KGVI stamps, the UPS issue was not one of them.
Some stamps such as the UPS do give a transparent impression but they are not thin paper.
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Hi Rob
Thanks for the information.
Also I have been offered a block of four Halfpenny Kangaroo, It has the BCOF overprint.
I noticed that two of the Letters F have a a small variety.
Not sure if the price they want is fair. They are mint unhinged, and the price is $39.00
Would you consider that a fair price.
Then if I really like them, I suppose it is a case of how much do I want them.
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Hi Horamakhet
Any B.C.O.F. variety regardless of the face value is a collectable for that particular issue. And it is a fair price for a block of 4 depending if the condition is MUH, and if it has selvedge and the hinge mark is on the selvedge it is okay (providing it is not heavy) and there is no damage to the paper and no rust.
I’ve paid a lot more for an unlisted block of four ½d B.C.O.F. variety (not scarce or rare, just unlisted). If you do choose to buy it I wouldn’t mind looking at the variety.
The B.C.O.F. is an important part of any Australian collection, it was not issued in any state of Australia, it was under military control; the military refused to issue them out to collectors and there will always be collectors wanting to have such varieties in their collection.
At the moment I am writing a book on the position of the ½d varieties, and as the ½d is plagued with varieties it will be easy to illustrate the plating of the B.C.O.F. varieties and where they are found on certain sheets of stamps, such as A, B, C, D.
A future book will simply be titled “B.C.O.F. stamps and its varieties”.
Rob
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Hi Rob
This is the block of six that I have been offered.
As you can see, the last two stamps on the top row have broken letter F, and the dot after the C on the last stamp on the top row is more oval than round.
Would appreciate your opinion on the block.
I will probably buy it, It is mint not hinged.
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Hi Horamakhet
It's a nice variety and it's a block of 6, you should get it, the price is very reasonable.
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Hi Rob
I took your advise and purchased the block of six
Will post a good image when it arrives
You can use the image for your monograph if you wish.
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Hi Horamakhet
Thanks, will look forward to see a much better image, and I most likely will use the image for my monograph of the ½ kangaroo. And you now have a very nice variety of the B.C.O.F.
I met Geoff Kellow today (editor of the ACSC) and showed him my very rare stamps that weren't listed in the ACSC, they will be listed in the next issue which he said will be out at the end of the year, and the new book will be in full colour.
Rob
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Good on you Rob! Please send a scan or two of the catalogue pages with your stamps listed. (Not sure I can justify more ACSC catalogues purchases. But I just might for the color.)
Cheers!
Eric
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I will do that when the book is released. Geoff Kellow was pleasant to speak to, he said that he had heard of the thin paper £2 Coat-of-Arms with roller flaw but have never seen one.
He checked the stamp and verified that it was thin paper and the provenance (certificate) and said it will be in the next edition along with my thin paper 1942 emu.
At the end of the discussion he commented that it was a very interesting talk and would like to continue speaking to me whenever I want to contact him.
I was invited to join the Commonwealth specialised collection group which he attends, an opportunity I dare not refuse.
All the ACSC books will eventually be in colour, the Kangaroos and KGV catalogues have already been re-issued in colour with up-to-date prices.
Each book that comes out in colour I'll donate the black and whites to some local club.
Rob
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I have met Geoff as well, such a nice person to talk to and discuss stamps.
I have also meet Michael Drury, and along with Geoff they authenticated a very rare Geo V stamp I had.
It is great to meet such icons in the stamp world.
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Hi Horamakhet
I was going to meet Michael Drury but was feeling unwell so I missed the opportunity, but I'm sure I will meet up with him soon.
I'll get Geoff to authenticate a few stamps for me, just to make the authenticity official.
Geoff & Mike are very invaluable to philately.
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Hi Rob and others, here is the scan of my new purchase.
I have provided a total view of the block of six, and then a scan of the upper three and the lower three.
They look much better in reality than in the scan.
In the scan of the upper three, it is easy to see the variety on the F of BCOF and the Roo has a white spot on its neck in the last stamp.
On the bottom three the 6 in the first stamp also has a variety.
Very happy with this purchase.
They are all MNH
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Hi Horamakhet
They are very clean stamps, nice purchase, the varieties are much clearer, a purchase I would have been happy to take on myself.
Rob
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Horamakhet,
Scanned below is my copy of Scott #262 from my used block collection. It looks a little different than yours. On the upper two stamps of the block, the top of the boy's head is ABOVE the frameline, and on the bottom two stamps of the block, the boy's head is EVEN with the frameline. The calf appears to be standing in a fog. Compare it with yours shown earlier in this thread, and you will see differences.
Linus
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Hi Linus
Very nice block, I will just have to keep looking, as I have said before, it is amazing what turns up.
I call it "being in the wrong place at the right time"
Mind you, if it had not been for Rob, I would not have been inspired to collect blocks.
The information he knows about stamps is mind boggling.
Horamakhet
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Horamakhet -
I agree, and I am equally amazed at "what turns up."
In between snow events, I recently drove up to St. Paul, Minnesota, USA to the SNOWPEX stamp show, and I found this nice block of 8 in a dealer's five-cent box of bulk, on paper, stamps. I successfully soaked it off a dark brown piece of paper, not always easy due to the bleeding of the paper, but I think it turned out rather nice.
Love those Minne-snow-da stamp shows!
Linus
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Great catch for a nickel!
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Hi Linus
very nice indeed, the post mark is very good as well, and you could even possibly say that it is a CTO but postally used.
It is hard to find blocks that don't have heavy fisted postmarks.
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Hi Linus
Very good used block of 8. Neat cancellation which doesn't affect the stamps and only about 2 short perfs.
Rob
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Thank you for the kind words.
dollhaus - It was five cents each stamp for a total of 40 cents for the block of 8.
On another forum, I received the photo below. The man on the stamp is second on the left in the photo.
Linus
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Linus,your photo of the four men in front of the vehicle is as follows, left to right as you look at it.
Harry Lyon, Charles Kingsford Smith,Jim Warner and Charles Ulm who were the crew of the "Southern Cross". The photo was taken at Los Angeles on the 23rd.May 1928 shortly before their attempt to cross the Pacific.
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Six years later Ulm met the same fate; On 3 December 1934, with a crew of two, Ulm flew from Oakland for Hawaii. his plane 'Stella Australis' failed to arrive. Despite an extensive sea search, no trace of it was ever found.
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Thanks Rob and Kapul for the additional information on my block above. Very interesting story.
I recently acquired the cool block shown below in a trade with one of our Stamporama members (Thanks Terri). This block is unwatermarked, the paper is white, and I cannot make out the New South Wales town in the cancel. I also noticed this issue has a thick perf in the lower left corner. Thick, as in wider than the others, on each stamp. This is another Australia issue that makes a lovely used block.
Linus
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Fabulous set of Gwoja Djungurrayi. Below 25 set of 1c Living Together Australia. I have 4 blocks of these if anyone would care for one. Thank you. N
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hello all. here our a few blocks of four I got this week, hope you like them, regards ken.
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Hi Ken
It is always nice when you can obtain blocks of four,
It also makes it easier to distinguish varieties as well, particularly when it may be on only one of the four.
Nice stamps
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...and, I like to use blocks of four to actually display varieties. Like this one:
Danish West Indies Scott #24c (MLH). The variety stamp catalogs at about 20X the others in this block. Watching for a block with the straight-tail 2, also.
-Paul
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Somehow, blocks of four make stamps more, uh, real.
Don't understand it any better than I can describe it.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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A block of 4 MUH £1 robes on thin paper with "By Authority" imprint.
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Just curious, did any of the Scandinavian collectors here pick out the "variety" stamp in my DWI block of 4? It has a rather trivial distinction, but the stamp is a key value in any collection striving for completeness (entirely possible with DWI). Hint: it's the stamp in the lower right that is the "variety".
Frame orientation (normal or inverted) is a major distinction for any of the Denmark, DWI, and Iceland "bi-colors".
For easy reference (and, avoiding any pencil marks on the reverse!), I display my bi-colors that have inverted frames upside-down. (An inverted center is much easier to visualize!).
-Paul
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The cameo (is that what you call it?) breaks the thin line at the bottom of the stamp - all the rest just about miss it. (Hope that's right - varieties are not my strong suit!)
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Inverted frame on one stamp. Very nice in a block!
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Actually, NORMAL frame on the one in the lower right, INVERTED frames on the other three. Not so ironically, the normal frame is much less common than the inverted frame on this issue...
A good illustration of the idea that words like "normal" and "inverted" are always relative. Hence, my propensity to exhibit inverted frames so it looks like the center is inverted!
-Paul
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How on Earth can you tell an inverted frame from one that is right-side-up?!?
I'll admit to not having spent much time before this trying to identify that variety on Finland and Russian stamps, but I really did peer closely at the block of 4 above, and just cannot see the difference.
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;-)
-Paul
PS: For the last 10 years or so, those tiny areas of these series (the bi-colors of Denmark, DWI, and Iceland) have garnered a WHOLE LOT of my attention!
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Ken, Thanks for starting this topic. Here are a few used Australian blocks from my collection.
Linus
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Hi to all,
This is one of my favourite Geo VI Definitives. It also possibly a thin paper block of four.
Regards
Horamakhet
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So Linus, is that a color variation in the lower left stamp of that block of $1 stamps commemorating ANZAC participation in Vietnam?
And, I DO love the distinct date cancellations on all 3 blocks!
-Paul
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Hi Horamakhet, your block of 4 is definitely thin paper, I assume they are MUH, can't really tell by the small scan, a MUH block of 4 is worth (invoice value) about $200.
Normal paper
Thin paper
Thin paper - reverse
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Pigdoc, That is a keen observation on your part. Yes, the color is different on the lower left stamp of the ANZAC "traffic-light" gutter block. I had not noticed that before.
Thanks for the kind words. I love blocks, or "real" stamp collecting, as Mr. ikeyP calls it.
Linus
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I came across this block of 4 (or is it 8) in a collection recently. Romania RA33-RA34.
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hello all. very nice stamps from all, will post a few more in a couple of days, all my Australian blocks are cancelled, all the best ken.
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hello all. hope you enjoy the latest blocks, these are the last ones I have from Australia. all the best. ken
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Hi Rob
Yes the George Vi are MUH,
I only have very few blocks of MUH
Will find others and post.
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Hi Rob and everyone
Here is another block of four.
Again thin paper, MUH
All these blocks are packed away at present, until I sort through all the George V, or until I get more time to spend on them.
Regards
Horamakhet
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Some more blocks of four
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Hi Horamakhet
There is no thin paper 1949 UPS issue, even though there are some unlisted thin paper issues in the KGVI stamps, the UPS issue was not one of them.
Some stamps such as the UPS do give a transparent impression but they are not thin paper.
Rob
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Hi Rob
Thanks for the information.
Also I have been offered a block of four Halfpenny Kangaroo, It has the BCOF overprint.
I noticed that two of the Letters F have a a small variety.
Not sure if the price they want is fair. They are mint unhinged, and the price is $39.00
Would you consider that a fair price.
Then if I really like them, I suppose it is a case of how much do I want them.
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Hi Horamakhet
Any B.C.O.F. variety regardless of the face value is a collectable for that particular issue. And it is a fair price for a block of 4 depending if the condition is MUH, and if it has selvedge and the hinge mark is on the selvedge it is okay (providing it is not heavy) and there is no damage to the paper and no rust.
I’ve paid a lot more for an unlisted block of four ½d B.C.O.F. variety (not scarce or rare, just unlisted). If you do choose to buy it I wouldn’t mind looking at the variety.
The B.C.O.F. is an important part of any Australian collection, it was not issued in any state of Australia, it was under military control; the military refused to issue them out to collectors and there will always be collectors wanting to have such varieties in their collection.
At the moment I am writing a book on the position of the ½d varieties, and as the ½d is plagued with varieties it will be easy to illustrate the plating of the B.C.O.F. varieties and where they are found on certain sheets of stamps, such as A, B, C, D.
A future book will simply be titled “B.C.O.F. stamps and its varieties”.
Rob
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Hi Rob
This is the block of six that I have been offered.
As you can see, the last two stamps on the top row have broken letter F, and the dot after the C on the last stamp on the top row is more oval than round.
Would appreciate your opinion on the block.
I will probably buy it, It is mint not hinged.
Horamakhet
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10:41:39pm
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Hi Horamakhet
It's a nice variety and it's a block of 6, you should get it, the price is very reasonable.
Rob
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Hi Rob
I took your advise and purchased the block of six
Will post a good image when it arrives
You can use the image for your monograph if you wish.
Horamakhet
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03:30:51am
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Hi Horamakhet
Thanks, will look forward to see a much better image, and I most likely will use the image for my monograph of the ½ kangaroo. And you now have a very nice variety of the B.C.O.F.
I met Geoff Kellow today (editor of the ACSC) and showed him my very rare stamps that weren't listed in the ACSC, they will be listed in the next issue which he said will be out at the end of the year, and the new book will be in full colour.
Rob
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Good on you Rob! Please send a scan or two of the catalogue pages with your stamps listed. (Not sure I can justify more ACSC catalogues purchases. But I just might for the color.)
Cheers!
Eric
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Hi Eric
I will do that when the book is released. Geoff Kellow was pleasant to speak to, he said that he had heard of the thin paper £2 Coat-of-Arms with roller flaw but have never seen one.
He checked the stamp and verified that it was thin paper and the provenance (certificate) and said it will be in the next edition along with my thin paper 1942 emu.
At the end of the discussion he commented that it was a very interesting talk and would like to continue speaking to me whenever I want to contact him.
I was invited to join the Commonwealth specialised collection group which he attends, an opportunity I dare not refuse.
All the ACSC books will eventually be in colour, the Kangaroos and KGV catalogues have already been re-issued in colour with up-to-date prices.
Each book that comes out in colour I'll donate the black and whites to some local club.
Rob
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Hi Rob
I have met Geoff as well, such a nice person to talk to and discuss stamps.
I have also meet Michael Drury, and along with Geoff they authenticated a very rare Geo V stamp I had.
It is great to meet such icons in the stamp world.
Horamakhet
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06:54:08am
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Hi Horamakhet
I was going to meet Michael Drury but was feeling unwell so I missed the opportunity, but I'm sure I will meet up with him soon.
I'll get Geoff to authenticate a few stamps for me, just to make the authenticity official.
Geoff & Mike are very invaluable to philately.
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Hi Rob and others, here is the scan of my new purchase.
I have provided a total view of the block of six, and then a scan of the upper three and the lower three.
They look much better in reality than in the scan.
In the scan of the upper three, it is easy to see the variety on the F of BCOF and the Roo has a white spot on its neck in the last stamp.
On the bottom three the 6 in the first stamp also has a variety.
Very happy with this purchase.
They are all MNH
Regards
Horamakhet
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Hi Horamakhet
They are very clean stamps, nice purchase, the varieties are much clearer, a purchase I would have been happy to take on myself.
Rob
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Horamakhet,
Scanned below is my copy of Scott #262 from my used block collection. It looks a little different than yours. On the upper two stamps of the block, the top of the boy's head is ABOVE the frameline, and on the bottom two stamps of the block, the boy's head is EVEN with the frameline. The calf appears to be standing in a fog. Compare it with yours shown earlier in this thread, and you will see differences.
Linus
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Hi Linus
Very nice block, I will just have to keep looking, as I have said before, it is amazing what turns up.
I call it "being in the wrong place at the right time"
Mind you, if it had not been for Rob, I would not have been inspired to collect blocks.
The information he knows about stamps is mind boggling.
Horamakhet
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bumping an old thread back to life...
Horamakhet -
I agree, and I am equally amazed at "what turns up."
In between snow events, I recently drove up to St. Paul, Minnesota, USA to the SNOWPEX stamp show, and I found this nice block of 8 in a dealer's five-cent box of bulk, on paper, stamps. I successfully soaked it off a dark brown piece of paper, not always easy due to the bleeding of the paper, but I think it turned out rather nice.
Love those Minne-snow-da stamp shows!
Linus
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Hi Linus
very nice indeed, the post mark is very good as well, and you could even possibly say that it is a CTO but postally used.
It is hard to find blocks that don't have heavy fisted postmarks.
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Hi Linus
Very good used block of 8. Neat cancellation which doesn't affect the stamps and only about 2 short perfs.
Rob
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Thank you for the kind words.
dollhaus - It was five cents each stamp for a total of 40 cents for the block of 8.
On another forum, I received the photo below. The man on the stamp is second on the left in the photo.
Linus
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Linus,your photo of the four men in front of the vehicle is as follows, left to right as you look at it.
Harry Lyon, Charles Kingsford Smith,Jim Warner and Charles Ulm who were the crew of the "Southern Cross". The photo was taken at Los Angeles on the 23rd.May 1928 shortly before their attempt to cross the Pacific.
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Six years later Ulm met the same fate; On 3 December 1934, with a crew of two, Ulm flew from Oakland for Hawaii. his plane 'Stella Australis' failed to arrive. Despite an extensive sea search, no trace of it was ever found.
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Thanks Rob and Kapul for the additional information on my block above. Very interesting story.
I recently acquired the cool block shown below in a trade with one of our Stamporama members (Thanks Terri). This block is unwatermarked, the paper is white, and I cannot make out the New South Wales town in the cancel. I also noticed this issue has a thick perf in the lower left corner. Thick, as in wider than the others, on each stamp. This is another Australia issue that makes a lovely used block.
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re: more blocks of four
Fabulous set of Gwoja Djungurrayi. Below 25 set of 1c Living Together Australia. I have 4 blocks of these if anyone would care for one. Thank you. N
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