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11 Sep 2018
03:27:09am

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This stamp was in a small lot I bought for only 3 euros recently. Of course it is not in top condition, but this particular stamp was nevertheless the main reason for taking it. Even when it turns out to be a forgery, it still is a nice addition to the collection but what I want to know (of course) is if it could be a genuine Cape triangular.

Does anybody here know how to separate the good from the bad?

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Jan-Simon

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11 Sep 2018
04:20:36am
re: Cape triangular - who can help?

Good Day,
Not sure if you have checked this resource out...

http://stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps-of-cape-of-good-hope-triangle-4d/

Unfortunately he does not call out details but images give you an idea of what to look for.
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11 Sep 2018
04:48:13am

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re: Cape triangular - who can help?

Thanks for that site. My stamp does have that cross in front of the P of Postage, which all of the forgeries do not have, so I suppose that's a good sign.

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11 Sep 2018
07:26:20am
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I recommend this little book if you can get hold of one

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11 Sep 2018
01:38:47pm
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Hi,

Here is another website with a detailed checklist of things to look for.

https://worldwidestampscollector.blogspot.com/2016/05/cape-of-good-hope-triangle-issued-1853.html

In my amatuer opinion it looks good to me.

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11 Sep 2018
04:46:19pm

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re: Cape triangular - who can help?

Smauggie, I scanned the stamp with ridiculously high resolution, resulting in a 8000 x 5000 pixels image and compared the 17 check points listed on that site with my stamp and surprisingly, almost all were there, some very clear, others more vaguely. For instance the easy signs like the shape of the G's and the slightly larger O in HOPE were 100% certain there. I have also compared the stamp with most of the best-known forgeries and there is a clear difference. Perhaps I might have something here!
It is a pity I cannot detect the watermark, that would have been another good point.

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11 Sep 2018
10:29:39pm
re: Cape triangular - who can help?

It's genuine

Here's an example I sold recently for comparison

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Reverend Earee's famous book "Album Weeds" (1882) is very helpful. I really do recommend it, despite it's age, it's available for download if you search

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12 Sep 2018
05:21:24am

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re: Cape triangular - who can help?

I found that book and went through it quickly. It does give some basic information, but my first impression is that it would be very difficult to use it to determine if stamps one finds today are genuine or not. I think I will stick with the kind of websites like the one Antonio found.

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12 Sep 2018
08:06:42am
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Most of the information found on todays websites stems from Earee's work, but horses for courses!

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12 Sep 2018
08:27:07am
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I would add to Dave's logic...
Books like Album Weeds have been vetted over the decades but any moron can post a website. The amount of unvetted info and other 'crazy talk' online can be a bit overwhelming. You have to bit a bit careful when using online resources as to the quality of the information.

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Jansimon

11 Sep 2018
03:27:09am

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This stamp was in a small lot I bought for only 3 euros recently. Of course it is not in top condition, but this particular stamp was nevertheless the main reason for taking it. Even when it turns out to be a forgery, it still is a nice addition to the collection but what I want to know (of course) is if it could be a genuine Cape triangular.

Does anybody here know how to separate the good from the bad?

Thanks,
Jan-Simon

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11 Sep 2018
04:20:36am

re: Cape triangular - who can help?

Good Day,
Not sure if you have checked this resource out...

http://stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps-of-cape-of-good-hope-triangle-4d/

Unfortunately he does not call out details but images give you an idea of what to look for.
Don

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11 Sep 2018
04:48:13am

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re: Cape triangular - who can help?

Thanks for that site. My stamp does have that cross in front of the P of Postage, which all of the forgeries do not have, so I suppose that's a good sign.

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11 Sep 2018
07:26:20am

re: Cape triangular - who can help?

I recommend this little book if you can get hold of one

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11 Sep 2018
01:38:47pm

re: Cape triangular - who can help?

Hi,

Here is another website with a detailed checklist of things to look for.

https://worldwidestampscollector.blogspot.com/2016/05/cape-of-good-hope-triangle-issued-1853.html

In my amatuer opinion it looks good to me.

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11 Sep 2018
04:46:19pm

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re: Cape triangular - who can help?

Smauggie, I scanned the stamp with ridiculously high resolution, resulting in a 8000 x 5000 pixels image and compared the 17 check points listed on that site with my stamp and surprisingly, almost all were there, some very clear, others more vaguely. For instance the easy signs like the shape of the G's and the slightly larger O in HOPE were 100% certain there. I have also compared the stamp with most of the best-known forgeries and there is a clear difference. Perhaps I might have something here!
It is a pity I cannot detect the watermark, that would have been another good point.

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11 Sep 2018
10:29:39pm

re: Cape triangular - who can help?

It's genuine

Here's an example I sold recently for comparison

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Reverend Earee's famous book "Album Weeds" (1882) is very helpful. I really do recommend it, despite it's age, it's available for download if you search

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12 Sep 2018
05:21:24am

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re: Cape triangular - who can help?

I found that book and went through it quickly. It does give some basic information, but my first impression is that it would be very difficult to use it to determine if stamps one finds today are genuine or not. I think I will stick with the kind of websites like the one Antonio found.

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12 Sep 2018
08:06:42am

re: Cape triangular - who can help?

Most of the information found on todays websites stems from Earee's work, but horses for courses!

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12 Sep 2018
08:27:07am

re: Cape triangular - who can help?

I would add to Dave's logic...
Books like Album Weeds have been vetted over the decades but any moron can post a website. The amount of unvetted info and other 'crazy talk' online can be a bit overwhelming. You have to bit a bit careful when using online resources as to the quality of the information.

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Don

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