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It looks bogus to me, what makes you think it is legit?
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Hey Mitch the longer I looked at it I started to think the same thing. No date cancel on it? Doesn't seem right.
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It's legit. Bear, Arkansas local fancy cancel circular date stamp on back.
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Ernie, Well I can't see where the second cover proves anything. I suspect it to is being offered on Ebay. If they were fake I would be surprised if there was only one up for sale. People who contrive such things don't usually just make one. Bear was founded on a lie. Some scammers claimed to have found gold there which started a gold rush back in the 1880's. Somewhere between 1,200 and 5,000 people fell for the scam and moved there. After the scam was revealed nearly everyone left leaving pretty much a ghost town. Besides a post office and a chair factory opened in 1930 and employing only 12 people and long since closed. There seems to have been little else happening in Bear. If it is a legitimate
cancel, surely someone here would know about it. It also seems strange that both of the covers were sent to two different addresses and sent registered. What are the odds of finding two of these?
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Here is a link to another Bear cover on ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1930-Bear-Arkansas-fancy-cancel-bear-on-2-cent-Edison-commen-y2634/153221743587?hash=item23acba43e3:g:fdsAAOSw8MJbvBMH:rk:2:pf:0
In the description there's a case for the others to be legitimate.
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It looks good to me and the price is good for that cover. Registered covers didn't have the date on the front at that time. There are covers not sent registered with the date. This is a big collecting field for collectors of US cancels. There are several books on the subject and some auctions of just this material. There are several thousand different cancels of this type. This was a collecting fad in the 1920's up until the early 1930's. I have seen several exhibits of this material over the years. It is an interesting field to collect.
Here is a link that helps explain 20th century fancy cancels.
http://stampsmarter.com/learning/Collect_20thCenturyFancyCancellations.html
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It's legit Mitch. More reading:
http://www.coneysstamps.com/content/articles/20thcen-fancycans.html
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Well I guess I would have lost that bet. I don't collect covers or fancy cancels unless they turn up in mixed lots. I've always been interested in 19th century fancy cancels and have both of the books that cover them. As for 20th century cancels there are so many that could be considered as fancy that I don't really have the time to collect them as my plate is rather full with collecting the world. Thanks to Don for the catalog of 29th century cancels I'm book marking it and it should prove great reference when I come across them. I actually have quite a few of the more modern ones but can't say that I've seen many of the 1920-30's. If I had come across any of them I certainly would have saved them.
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I'm starting to have fun with this collection. Here is my latest addition...
So it looks like the sender overpaid the postage by a whopping eleven cents. That struck me as a lot of money in 1932. The sender obviously paid the extra to add some panache to their beautiful pictorial cover. Who among us hasn't done that? Adjusted for inflation that like adding $1.97 today. All said and done I think this piece is a winner and fits perfectly into my Scott # 565 collection.
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Buy it Ernie! You know you want to! 
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You're cracking me up Tom! I gotta see when it ends
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So here is my one and only purchase from the show today. Would you call this "philatelic" because it came from a stamp dealer and because of the late usage (1937)?
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Picked up this nice souvenir card from a 1989 stamp show. Thought it would be a nice complimentary piece.
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Wanted to get thoughts from the group...if you were acquiring examples of this stamp with an eye toward possibly exhibiting one day, would you also be picking up examples of Scott 695? There was a nice cover at the show yesterday with a pair of 695 tied to cover appropriately used. I started with 565 only thinking specializing would be the better to way to go but I'm starting to think that you really cant "tell the story" without 695. One of the challenges is the two are often misidentified. Thoughts? Thanks in advance! -Ernie
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I would think you would need both to visually show the difference.
At least, that is how I would go about exhibiting it.
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"One of the challenges is the two are often misidentified. Thoughts?"
That's why I'm fond of plate number singles.
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Vince, that's a cool lot. Are you gonna place a bid?
I LOVE the plate numbered singles. That definitely adds something special to stamps that are very easily obtained. Those are great album pages.
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This was just listed on eBay today. I would LOVE to own this piece but $30 bucks plus shipping is just too rich for my blood. This is the type of cover that makes a collection.
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It looks bogus to me, what makes you think it is legit?
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Hey Mitch the longer I looked at it I started to think the same thing. No date cancel on it? Doesn't seem right.
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It's legit. Bear, Arkansas local fancy cancel circular date stamp on back.
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Ernie, Well I can't see where the second cover proves anything. I suspect it to is being offered on Ebay. If they were fake I would be surprised if there was only one up for sale. People who contrive such things don't usually just make one. Bear was founded on a lie. Some scammers claimed to have found gold there which started a gold rush back in the 1880's. Somewhere between 1,200 and 5,000 people fell for the scam and moved there. After the scam was revealed nearly everyone left leaving pretty much a ghost town. Besides a post office and a chair factory opened in 1930 and employing only 12 people and long since closed. There seems to have been little else happening in Bear. If it is a legitimate
cancel, surely someone here would know about it. It also seems strange that both of the covers were sent to two different addresses and sent registered. What are the odds of finding two of these?
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Here is a link to another Bear cover on ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1930-Bear-Arkansas-fancy-cancel-bear-on-2-cent-Edison-commen-y2634/153221743587?hash=item23acba43e3:g:fdsAAOSw8MJbvBMH:rk:2:pf:0
In the description there's a case for the others to be legitimate.
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It looks good to me and the price is good for that cover. Registered covers didn't have the date on the front at that time. There are covers not sent registered with the date. This is a big collecting field for collectors of US cancels. There are several books on the subject and some auctions of just this material. There are several thousand different cancels of this type. This was a collecting fad in the 1920's up until the early 1930's. I have seen several exhibits of this material over the years. It is an interesting field to collect.
Here is a link that helps explain 20th century fancy cancels.
http://stampsmarter.com/learning/Collect_20thCenturyFancyCancellations.html
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It's legit Mitch. More reading:
http://www.coneysstamps.com/content/articles/20thcen-fancycans.html
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Well I guess I would have lost that bet. I don't collect covers or fancy cancels unless they turn up in mixed lots. I've always been interested in 19th century fancy cancels and have both of the books that cover them. As for 20th century cancels there are so many that could be considered as fancy that I don't really have the time to collect them as my plate is rather full with collecting the world. Thanks to Don for the catalog of 29th century cancels I'm book marking it and it should prove great reference when I come across them. I actually have quite a few of the more modern ones but can't say that I've seen many of the 1920-30's. If I had come across any of them I certainly would have saved them.
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I'm starting to have fun with this collection. Here is my latest addition...
So it looks like the sender overpaid the postage by a whopping eleven cents. That struck me as a lot of money in 1932. The sender obviously paid the extra to add some panache to their beautiful pictorial cover. Who among us hasn't done that? Adjusted for inflation that like adding $1.97 today. All said and done I think this piece is a winner and fits perfectly into my Scott # 565 collection.
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You're cracking me up Tom! I gotta see when it ends
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So here is my one and only purchase from the show today. Would you call this "philatelic" because it came from a stamp dealer and because of the late usage (1937)?
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Picked up this nice souvenir card from a 1989 stamp show. Thought it would be a nice complimentary piece.
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re: US Scott 565
Wanted to get thoughts from the group...if you were acquiring examples of this stamp with an eye toward possibly exhibiting one day, would you also be picking up examples of Scott 695? There was a nice cover at the show yesterday with a pair of 695 tied to cover appropriately used. I started with 565 only thinking specializing would be the better to way to go but I'm starting to think that you really cant "tell the story" without 695. One of the challenges is the two are often misidentified. Thoughts? Thanks in advance! -Ernie
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I would think you would need both to visually show the difference.
At least, that is how I would go about exhibiting it.
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"One of the challenges is the two are often misidentified. Thoughts?"
That's why I'm fond of plate number singles.
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Vince, that's a cool lot. Are you gonna place a bid?
I LOVE the plate numbered singles. That definitely adds something special to stamps that are very easily obtained. Those are great album pages.
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