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Europe/Great Britain : British post from Danish West Indies to Denmark

 

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Holstein2007

26 Dec 2018
04:15:50am
I collect letters sent from the Danish West Indies with RMSP (Royal Mail Steam Packet) to Denmark - from 1842 to 1877 - with and without stamps - if they are with stamps they are stamped C51. Are there any who have these letters and would like to show them :-)
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pigdoc

26 Dec 2018
10:26:16am
re: British post from Danish West Indies to Denmark

So glad you were motivated to start this thread, Holstein!

As my Denmark collection matured to near-completion (are they EVER complete?), I started looking for side-branches. That led me to Danish colonies, which led me to Iceland and the Danish West Indies. Any self-respecting DWI collection would not be complete without a bow to the various packet posts that called on St Thomas, of which I have a fairly comprehensive collection. And, my latest interest, as of the last year or so, is the British Mail Packet, specifically, foreign usages of British stamps in St Thomas. Then, my interest in the Caribbean broadened beyond St Thomas. Much of this material approaches 3 figures to purchase, so my actual collection is growing slowly, but I have a few dozen items to share, nonetheless. Much of the available material flowed through Britain and linking to the European mainland through Calais. Bordeaux, France seems to have been a hub of mercantile activity in the mid-19th century. That's also stimulated my interest in understanding the character of trade in this era...I'll start with this item from my collection, which I prize as a very excellent strike of the early C51 cancellation on cover, applied in St Thomas, 1865, shortly after the end of the Civil War in the US:

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Can't wait to see others' material in this area!

-Paul

PS - Sorry this posting is not "to Denmark". I can say that I've never seen a letter from DWI through the British Packet addressed to Denmark.

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Holstein2007

27 Dec 2018
10:29:01am
re: British post from Danish West Indies to Denmark

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A letter from my collection - 1877 - double -rate entire with Colonial Bank header to Denmark with C51 duplex.

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Holstein2007

27 Dec 2018
10:32:29am
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Site 9 from my collection

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pigdoc

28 Dec 2018
11:39:07am
re: British post from Danish West Indies to Denmark

Lovely covers, Holstein!

You may find this essay interesting:
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I picked it up some time ago. My collecting goal is to accumulate as many different GB issues as I can find in each of the three cancellation types.

According to Postal History of the United States Virgin Islands, by J. Alfred Birch (1966, American Philatelic Society, 40 pages plus bibliography), there are (at least) 2 versions of the 1869 cancelling device - one is 10mm between the inner horizontal bars, other is 10.5mm, and with a "thicker and taller" loop on the "5". They're hard to tell apart, but I think I have examples of both.

There are also two different versions of the 1872 cancelling device. One has 11mm between the inner horizontal bars and 1mm between the CDS and the C51 mark. The other has 10.5mm between the inner horizontal bars and 0.5mm between the CDS and the C51 mark.

This is a wonderful book, that is a must-have for any St Thomas collector!

-Paul

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Holstein2007

28 Dec 2018
01:18:38pm
re: British post from Danish West Indies to Denmark

I agree that the Birch book is very interesting - I can also recommend Engstrom 3 books about DWI.

I have besides a collection of the show letters also made a website about bisceted 4 cents from DWI - You can see this at:

www.bisected-dwi.dk

- comment is much requested :-)

I also collect the transfer period - the period after the Danish West India was sold to the US - 1.4 to 30.9-1917

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pigdoc

29 Dec 2018
11:05:14am
re: British post from Danish West Indies to Denmark

Here is another SOR Discussion thread showing a DWI/US Virgin Islands mixed franking from April 10, 1917:

DWI Mixed Franking

Probably a philatelic cover, as the addressee is a common one on these mixed franking covers. But, still, what a marvelous opportunity to create an uncommon cover! I've seen these for sale for many $hundreds.

-Paul

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Holstein2007

26 Dec 2018
04:15:50am

I collect letters sent from the Danish West Indies with RMSP (Royal Mail Steam Packet) to Denmark - from 1842 to 1877 - with and without stamps - if they are with stamps they are stamped C51. Are there any who have these letters and would like to show them :-)

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pigdoc

26 Dec 2018
10:26:16am

re: British post from Danish West Indies to Denmark

So glad you were motivated to start this thread, Holstein!

As my Denmark collection matured to near-completion (are they EVER complete?), I started looking for side-branches. That led me to Danish colonies, which led me to Iceland and the Danish West Indies. Any self-respecting DWI collection would not be complete without a bow to the various packet posts that called on St Thomas, of which I have a fairly comprehensive collection. And, my latest interest, as of the last year or so, is the British Mail Packet, specifically, foreign usages of British stamps in St Thomas. Then, my interest in the Caribbean broadened beyond St Thomas. Much of this material approaches 3 figures to purchase, so my actual collection is growing slowly, but I have a few dozen items to share, nonetheless. Much of the available material flowed through Britain and linking to the European mainland through Calais. Bordeaux, France seems to have been a hub of mercantile activity in the mid-19th century. That's also stimulated my interest in understanding the character of trade in this era...I'll start with this item from my collection, which I prize as a very excellent strike of the early C51 cancellation on cover, applied in St Thomas, 1865, shortly after the end of the Civil War in the US:

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Can't wait to see others' material in this area!

-Paul

PS - Sorry this posting is not "to Denmark". I can say that I've never seen a letter from DWI through the British Packet addressed to Denmark.

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Holstein2007

27 Dec 2018
10:29:01am

re: British post from Danish West Indies to Denmark

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A letter from my collection - 1877 - double -rate entire with Colonial Bank header to Denmark with C51 duplex.

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Holstein2007

27 Dec 2018
10:32:29am

re: British post from Danish West Indies to Denmark

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Site 9 from my collection

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pigdoc

28 Dec 2018
11:39:07am

re: British post from Danish West Indies to Denmark

Lovely covers, Holstein!

You may find this essay interesting:
Image Not Found

I picked it up some time ago. My collecting goal is to accumulate as many different GB issues as I can find in each of the three cancellation types.

According to Postal History of the United States Virgin Islands, by J. Alfred Birch (1966, American Philatelic Society, 40 pages plus bibliography), there are (at least) 2 versions of the 1869 cancelling device - one is 10mm between the inner horizontal bars, other is 10.5mm, and with a "thicker and taller" loop on the "5". They're hard to tell apart, but I think I have examples of both.

There are also two different versions of the 1872 cancelling device. One has 11mm between the inner horizontal bars and 1mm between the CDS and the C51 mark. The other has 10.5mm between the inner horizontal bars and 0.5mm between the CDS and the C51 mark.

This is a wonderful book, that is a must-have for any St Thomas collector!

-Paul

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Holstein2007

28 Dec 2018
01:18:38pm

re: British post from Danish West Indies to Denmark

I agree that the Birch book is very interesting - I can also recommend Engstrom 3 books about DWI.

I have besides a collection of the show letters also made a website about bisceted 4 cents from DWI - You can see this at:

www.bisected-dwi.dk

- comment is much requested :-)

I also collect the transfer period - the period after the Danish West India was sold to the US - 1.4 to 30.9-1917

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pigdoc

29 Dec 2018
11:05:14am

re: British post from Danish West Indies to Denmark

Here is another SOR Discussion thread showing a DWI/US Virgin Islands mixed franking from April 10, 1917:

DWI Mixed Franking

Probably a philatelic cover, as the addressee is a common one on these mixed franking covers. But, still, what a marvelous opportunity to create an uncommon cover! I've seen these for sale for many $hundreds.

-Paul

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