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11:18:44pm
In 1994 a stamp was planned to memorialise
the use of the Atomic Bomb's horrendous power
to end WW II, and save probably a million US
serviceman's lives, specifically four of my uncles.
Public outrage at the massive killing and maiming
of probably an equal million or so theoretically
civilians caused the design to be withdrawn and
a photo of then President Truman announcing Japan's
surrender was substituted in its place.
Someone printed small sheetlets with the replaced
stamp as a label, and one of my sons looking for
a stamp to mail a letter took a label from my desk.
It got returned to him and I had to explain the
politics of the day to him.
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"the massive killing and maiming
of probably an equal million or so theoretically
civilians caused the design to be withdrawn"
Theoretically? Are you kidding me? And my father (not uncle) was IN WWII serving in the Merchant Marines in the North Atlantic, South Atlantic, North Pacific, and South Pacific from 1941-1945. Those weren't "theoretically" civilians. Some were military, and the early end to the war saved untold lives on both sides, but to describe the populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as "theoretically civilians" is bullshit that needs to be called out.
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" .... Public outrage at the massive killing
and maiming of probably an equal million
or so theoretically civilians caused
the design to be withdrawn...."
I am not sure what your point is, Lars.
The paragraph refers to the estimated million
US casualties likely were a land invasion of Kyushu,
(Operation Olympic) to have occured, plus another million
or so, ( Possibly quite a bit more) additional
Japanese individuals who, since they were training
to oppose the land invaders, were also likely
to die in the onslaught across their homes, farms,
and what was left of their devastated cities.
But they did not die, because our forces used
the Atomic Bombs to get their imperial attention
to the eventual futility of continuing the war.
Those people were in quasi-military formations,
and thus only "theoretically civilians."
.
As for the US Merchant Marine, crewmembers were
civilians, although vessels on Atlantic Convoy duties
did usually carry Naval Reservist gun crews who lived in
separate quarters aft on the hastily built Victory
and Liberty ships.
As civilians they were not entitled to Veteran's
benefits until about 1985, when Congress in its infinite
wisdom, seeing how most had already crossed the final bar,
were granted "Veteran Status" for medical care.
That long delayed generosity did not apply to Merchant
Seamen who served in the Korean War, the Vietnam War or any
other intervening unpleasantness.
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Well put Charlie
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Those one million American might-have-been-casualties were civilians, too ... before they were drafted.
Good call, Harry.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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History, History, History.
Unless you actually lived during any period of history you can only guess at the thought processes of the individuals making the decisions and those having to live or die by these decisions.
You cannot judge the past using today's standards.
What was normal actions, thought processes and judgments in the past evolve into the standards we believe in today.
Ever since Noah was a boy civilisations have changed through conquest, education and technology.
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Since the topic has drifted and title changed, it has moved to a more appropriate section.
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This thread has been split, moving 13 posts onto a new Thread titled:"Illegal Covers"
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Again from my collection, a Popular Science magazine label, normally used to sign up for a magazine subscription, illegally used as postage on a postcard from Lansing, Michigan, USA to Des Moines, Iowa, USA in 1997 with no postage due markings.
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21 Feb 2019
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re: Atomic Holocaust: Vice or Virtue?
In 1994 a stamp was planned to memorialise
the use of the Atomic Bomb's horrendous power
to end WW II, and save probably a million US
serviceman's lives, specifically four of my uncles.
Public outrage at the massive killing and maiming
of probably an equal million or so theoretically
civilians caused the design to be withdrawn and
a photo of then President Truman announcing Japan's
surrender was substituted in its place.
Someone printed small sheetlets with the replaced
stamp as a label, and one of my sons looking for
a stamp to mail a letter took a label from my desk.
It got returned to him and I had to explain the
politics of the day to him.
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re: Atomic Holocaust: Vice or Virtue?
"the massive killing and maiming
of probably an equal million or so theoretically
civilians caused the design to be withdrawn"
Theoretically? Are you kidding me? And my father (not uncle) was IN WWII serving in the Merchant Marines in the North Atlantic, South Atlantic, North Pacific, and South Pacific from 1941-1945. Those weren't "theoretically" civilians. Some were military, and the early end to the war saved untold lives on both sides, but to describe the populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as "theoretically civilians" is bullshit that needs to be called out.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
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01:24:16pm
re: Atomic Holocaust: Vice or Virtue?
" .... Public outrage at the massive killing
and maiming of probably an equal million
or so theoretically civilians caused
the design to be withdrawn...."
I am not sure what your point is, Lars.
The paragraph refers to the estimated million
US casualties likely were a land invasion of Kyushu,
(Operation Olympic) to have occured, plus another million
or so, ( Possibly quite a bit more) additional
Japanese individuals who, since they were training
to oppose the land invaders, were also likely
to die in the onslaught across their homes, farms,
and what was left of their devastated cities.
But they did not die, because our forces used
the Atomic Bombs to get their imperial attention
to the eventual futility of continuing the war.
Those people were in quasi-military formations,
and thus only "theoretically civilians."
.
As for the US Merchant Marine, crewmembers were
civilians, although vessels on Atlantic Convoy duties
did usually carry Naval Reservist gun crews who lived in
separate quarters aft on the hastily built Victory
and Liberty ships.
As civilians they were not entitled to Veteran's
benefits until about 1985, when Congress in its infinite
wisdom, seeing how most had already crossed the final bar,
were granted "Veteran Status" for medical care.
That long delayed generosity did not apply to Merchant
Seamen who served in the Korean War, the Vietnam War or any
other intervening unpleasantness.
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Those one million American might-have-been-casualties were civilians, too ... before they were drafted.
Good call, Harry.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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re: Atomic Holocaust: Vice or Virtue?
History, History, History.
Unless you actually lived during any period of history you can only guess at the thought processes of the individuals making the decisions and those having to live or die by these decisions.
You cannot judge the past using today's standards.
What was normal actions, thought processes and judgments in the past evolve into the standards we believe in today.
Ever since Noah was a boy civilisations have changed through conquest, education and technology.
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