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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Angola 1913 printing error?

 

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keesindy
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07 Feb 2019
10:10:59am
Am I correct in thinking this stamp falls into the "error" category of EFOs? The top 2-2½ mm of the stamp is missing. I don't know enough about the process of perforating the sheets to understand how this could happen, but I am assuming this was something that happened during production. Is this a safe assumption?

Before creating this post, I had searched for an SOR thread dedicated to "EFOs" or "Errors." I was surprised not to find one. Did I overlook it? We have several worthy threads for various philately niches. Shouldn't we have one for Errors or EFOs?

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07 Feb 2019
10:46:58am
re: Angola 1913 printing error?

In the old days, the perforating devices were often/usually manually aligned. This brought about misperfs such as what you have shown. They are not considered to be errors, because the misalignment is slight, and off-centered stamps are common. I believe to be an error, the shifted perfs have to be at least 25% (or thereabouts) off normal.

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07 Feb 2019
12:46:02pm
re: Angola 1913 printing error?

Agreed, there is an ephemeral line somewhere between…

“Wow, that is a really striking misperf and I wouldn’t mind adding that to my album.”
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“Wow, that is one really off centered stamp that I would never add to my album”

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07 Feb 2019
01:12:33pm
re: Angola 1913 printing error?

Michael said:

"the misalignment is slight"



Michael, I posted my question because I did not believe this was a slight misalignment situation. As far as I can tell, three sides of the stamp were more or less properly perfed, although the design was not well centered.

I may not have been clear in my initial post and I think this additional image will better explain why I raised the initial question.

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My curiosity results from the stamp's incorrect size rather than perforation alignment per se. The vertical dimension of this stamp is 2-2½ mm shorter than all the other horizontally formatted stamps in this 1913 common design set. In this case, the mis-sizing apparently was caused by improper perforation only at the top of the stamp. My thinking was that the stamp's unusual sizing probably occurred in production and was probably due to a perforation problem other than the fairly common perforation misalignment problem where all (or at least multiple) perforations are misaligned and the stamp size is unaffected. Since this is not a typical misalignment issue, I was wondering if it would be proper to label it an error? If not, is it a freak or what? Thanks!

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07 Feb 2019
01:19:37pm
re: Angola 1913 printing error?

"“Wow, that is a really striking misperf and I wouldn’t mind adding that to my album.”
and
“Wow, that is one really off centered stamp that I would never add to my album”

Don"




It's all a matter of one's perspective! Happy

This seems to be the opposite of the so-called jumbo stamps, many of which seem to be more centering-challenged than actually being physically over-sized stamps. This one isn't simply misaligned; it's mis-sized.




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07 Feb 2019
01:32:36pm
re: Angola 1913 printing error?

Yes, it's "freak", and it happens often with older stamps.

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07 Feb 2019
01:34:20pm
re: Angola 1913 printing error?

I would call the first stamp a jumbo, with nice wide margins.
I would call the second stamp an oddity, with height shortened due to perforating misalignment in the production process.
I would call the third stamp normal size.
I would call the fourth stamp a jumbo.

We have discussed this subject on Stamporama before, see the link below:

https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=19463#143989

Lots and lots of stamps vary in size like yours. You can call it an EFO. I would call it an oddity, not a major error.

I agree with Michael, "the alignment was slight," when you compare your freaky stamp to the normal stamp next to it.

Linus

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07 Feb 2019
02:24:16pm
re: Angola 1913 printing error?

Linus, I respectfully disagree with your suggestion that any of these stamps are jumbos. Aside from the obviously mis-sized stamp that is our focus, I believe all these others are normal size. To demonstrate this, I've added four more of the horizontal stamps from this set to the image and included four vertical white bars with identical lengths. We can use these bars to compare heights of the various examples. There just isn't enough variation in my opinion to call any of these stamps jumbo.

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07 Feb 2019
02:29:47pm
re: Angola 1913 printing error?

Ok, I stand corrected, they are all normal. But the first stamp is slightly bigger.

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07 Feb 2019
02:37:44pm
re: Angola 1913 printing error?

Here is a handy digital utility, free limited version available for download

http://www.iconico.com/caliper/

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07 Feb 2019
10:10:59am

Am I correct in thinking this stamp falls into the "error" category of EFOs? The top 2-2½ mm of the stamp is missing. I don't know enough about the process of perforating the sheets to understand how this could happen, but I am assuming this was something that happened during production. Is this a safe assumption?

Before creating this post, I had searched for an SOR thread dedicated to "EFOs" or "Errors." I was surprised not to find one. Did I overlook it? We have several worthy threads for various philately niches. Shouldn't we have one for Errors or EFOs?

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07 Feb 2019
10:46:58am

re: Angola 1913 printing error?

In the old days, the perforating devices were often/usually manually aligned. This brought about misperfs such as what you have shown. They are not considered to be errors, because the misalignment is slight, and off-centered stamps are common. I believe to be an error, the shifted perfs have to be at least 25% (or thereabouts) off normal.

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07 Feb 2019
12:46:02pm

re: Angola 1913 printing error?

Agreed, there is an ephemeral line somewhere between…

“Wow, that is a really striking misperf and I wouldn’t mind adding that to my album.”
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“Wow, that is one really off centered stamp that I would never add to my album”

Don

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07 Feb 2019
01:12:33pm

re: Angola 1913 printing error?

Michael said:

"the misalignment is slight"



Michael, I posted my question because I did not believe this was a slight misalignment situation. As far as I can tell, three sides of the stamp were more or less properly perfed, although the design was not well centered.

I may not have been clear in my initial post and I think this additional image will better explain why I raised the initial question.

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My curiosity results from the stamp's incorrect size rather than perforation alignment per se. The vertical dimension of this stamp is 2-2½ mm shorter than all the other horizontally formatted stamps in this 1913 common design set. In this case, the mis-sizing apparently was caused by improper perforation only at the top of the stamp. My thinking was that the stamp's unusual sizing probably occurred in production and was probably due to a perforation problem other than the fairly common perforation misalignment problem where all (or at least multiple) perforations are misaligned and the stamp size is unaffected. Since this is not a typical misalignment issue, I was wondering if it would be proper to label it an error? If not, is it a freak or what? Thanks!

Tom

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07 Feb 2019
01:19:37pm

re: Angola 1913 printing error?

"“Wow, that is a really striking misperf and I wouldn’t mind adding that to my album.”
and
“Wow, that is one really off centered stamp that I would never add to my album”

Don"




It's all a matter of one's perspective! Happy

This seems to be the opposite of the so-called jumbo stamps, many of which seem to be more centering-challenged than actually being physically over-sized stamps. This one isn't simply misaligned; it's mis-sized.




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07 Feb 2019
01:32:36pm

re: Angola 1913 printing error?

Yes, it's "freak", and it happens often with older stamps.

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07 Feb 2019
01:34:20pm

re: Angola 1913 printing error?

I would call the first stamp a jumbo, with nice wide margins.
I would call the second stamp an oddity, with height shortened due to perforating misalignment in the production process.
I would call the third stamp normal size.
I would call the fourth stamp a jumbo.

We have discussed this subject on Stamporama before, see the link below:

https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=19463#143989

Lots and lots of stamps vary in size like yours. You can call it an EFO. I would call it an oddity, not a major error.

I agree with Michael, "the alignment was slight," when you compare your freaky stamp to the normal stamp next to it.

Linus

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07 Feb 2019
02:24:16pm

re: Angola 1913 printing error?

Linus, I respectfully disagree with your suggestion that any of these stamps are jumbos. Aside from the obviously mis-sized stamp that is our focus, I believe all these others are normal size. To demonstrate this, I've added four more of the horizontal stamps from this set to the image and included four vertical white bars with identical lengths. We can use these bars to compare heights of the various examples. There just isn't enough variation in my opinion to call any of these stamps jumbo.

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07 Feb 2019
02:29:47pm

re: Angola 1913 printing error?

Ok, I stand corrected, they are all normal. But the first stamp is slightly bigger.

Linus

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07 Feb 2019
02:37:44pm

re: Angola 1913 printing error?

Here is a handy digital utility, free limited version available for download

http://www.iconico.com/caliper/

DOn

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