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Hi Pooh
I do not recall you posting that particular stamp, but I may be wrong. The colour flaw on the side of the tree above the officer at right (aka "koala in tree") is a scarce stamp, at current catalogue value it is worth $150 used. To sell the stamp you may get around the $80 - $100 mark.
The postmark is clean and does not cover the variety, making it an attractive used stamp. The postmark is from the Queensland town of Dallarnil, issued on October 16, 1937.
Rob
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Thankyou I actually found the stamp but I wanted to show people that you can find interesting stamps Can you please give me any information about the stamp like how many there is and why is this stamp a scarce stamp???
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Hi Pooh
There are 3 varieties on a sheet of 2d stamps, the sheet is rare and is mint unhinged (the blue printing is on the image not on the actual sheet).
In the above plating (sheet position) your stamp is in row 10, 3rd stamp to the right (sheet C number 73/3)
There were 96,000,000 of the regular 2d stamps made, only a few hundred had the 3 varieties, meaning only a few hundred of the koala in tree exist, and even less commercially used (making it scarce in two areas).
Shown is a block of 20 from my collection, it is not listed in catalogues, on the market it is worth nearly $3,000. The mint unhinged koala in tree in the ACSC (Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue), is valued at $1,250.
It is because of the unused stamps that there are less commercially used stamps in existence.
The watermark is a multiple crown C of A (Commonwealth of Australia). The 2d was the letter rate within Australia and British Empire.
There are 3 values to the regular issue stamp as shown below.
It is definitely a nice find of an 81 year old scarce stamp.
Rob
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Thankyou for this but I have a couple of questions I'm trying to understand this and I could of read this wrong but am I right in reading that there isn't many used stamps around of this even through there was alot printed so is this why the stamp is scarce??
How do you work out the position of the stamps when they were printed like what you said above???
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Hi Pooh
When the 1937 NSW Sesquicentennial stamps were issued, many millions were printed, for example, there were 96,000,000 of the 2d issued, 4,000,000 of the 3d and 1,280,000 of the 9d.
The amount of each issued to post offices were 71,668,000 of the 2d; 2,454,000 of the 3d and 512,000 of the 9d.
It is a little confusing, what the printers kept was to be used in reserve if any of the stamps needed to be restocked. Commemorative stamps have a limited sale time and after the commemoration time expires the stamps in reserve are destroyed.
Now, of the 96,000,000 of the original printing, only a few hundred sheets are known to have the errors, there is no precise number of the few hundred known, but it is known that only a few hundred have be sold on the market in the past 82 years, which is a good indicator that not many exist.
I have a reference library of Australian stamps and up-to-date editions of the Australian Commonwealth Specialists’ Catalogue which explains the sheet position of the stamps. Even though it doesn’t mention how many errors exist, a great deal of research and being in contact with renowned stamp experts help.
I have been researching Australian stamps for 43 years, and I am currently in the process of completing a book explaining the plate positions and causes of KGV Commemorative and KGVI varieties, the project was handed to me to continue after one of the original researchers died and the other retired due to old age, the research started in 1952.
As I have a mint unhinged copy, there is a small amount of these in existence due to the stamp in this condition being seldom seen on the market, and even rarer being in the block of stamps I had shown.
Also many of these errors were used commercially, not many people kept the envelope and the envelope was discarded.
All this is put into account to determine the scarcity of the variety. In the time I have been collecting, I have not seen many of the commercially used varieties of the 1937 Sesquicentennial 2d.
Rob
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I see the used Man with Tail quite regularly, but the Pantaloon flaw and associated retouches are very scarce. I have a used Pantaloon retouch State V for sale at the moment, but it's the first I've handled
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Hi Dave
The man with tail is quite often seen in used condition, but is seldom seen in MUH. The Pantaloon flaw is not often seen in used condition, they do pop up now and then. The retouches are definitely scarce; I still cannot get hold of any of the retouches.
It’s quite interesting that you have a Pantaloon retouch State V, it’s a pity that the ACSC only mentions the first two, all retouches of the Pantaloon are very scarce.
Rob
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Hello Rob I have 1 last question about the stamp, is there any more different varieties with the stamps that has been found?? Also what are the associated retouches with the Pantaloon flaw?? I live in outback Qld so this is the only way I can find out things.
Mr Dave Sheridan thankyou for your help also
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Hi Dave or Rob
I may have asked this before
Do you have a good scan of the pantaloon variety, so I can carefully check all my copies.
Horamakhet
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Hi Horamakhet
I'm sure I can fulfil that request. Here is a MUH "Pantaloon"; the "Pantaloon" is the dark blob directly underneath the sailor's hand holding his flintlock rifle.
Good luck on the search, they do exist in used condition and they can be found in purchased collections.
Rob
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Hi Pooh
Sorry I did not reply I didn’t see your post until now. There are a few other varieties which I will show in large format so they can be easily recognised. Unfortunately I do not have any retouches, they are very difficult to obtain.
The black and white sketch of the retouched Pantaloon in the ACSC isn’t the best to describe any retouch, an actual stamp is required, and maybe Dave may post the retouched 2d he has so we can have a better view of a retouch.
There are a few varieties for the 2d but the varieties to look for is the main four, “main with tail”, “Pantaloon”, koala in tree and “thick shading line at the base of tree".
Man with tail - Behind the officer with the outstretched hand at right.
Pantaloon - Dark colour flaw seen directly below right hand of sailor holding a flintlock rifle at left of the officers.
Koala in tree (colour flaw) - Can be seen in tree directly behind the officer's outstretched hand at right.
Thick shading line - New discovery.
Rob
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As requested, this is the State 5 retouch
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This is my first post to this board. I've enjoyed everyone's contributions to this topic and others in the general Australia-wide area.
The Pantaloon flaw and associated retouches are interesting. A few years ago, I posted to Stampboards a fairly comprehensive (and illustrated) listing of two states of the flaw and three states of the retouch.
Readers of this thread might find the Stampboards post of interest.
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=22147#p4696513
Philip
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Hi Philip
Thanks for the info and link on the retouches, I now understand a bit more about them, I'm going to inquire if these retouches can be located MUH.
Rob
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Thankyou for the information now I have another question, The thick shading line at the base of the tree, why is this a new discovery?? It just looks like a normal line and also the Koala up the tree stamp I have only put the stamp up on this board so you all were the first to see it and no other stamp board places have seen it. I totally agree with you all this is a fantastic place to find information not like some other places.
I hope you can give me some information about the shading at the base of the tree
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Hi Pooh
Yes it is a new discovery, it was discovered only a few months ago by an internationally renowned specialist stamp dealer on Commonwealth stamps (a friend), it only occurs on sheets affected by the three flaws, The normal shading lines are nearly straight lines, but the variety is bowed and curved at the ends, and it is much thicker than the other shading lines that make up the tree design.
It can be recognised by the naked eye. It is scarce.
The used stamp showing the koala in the tree is a nice find, that particular colour flaw is seldom seen on the market it is also scarce.
There is no other information on the thick shading line but hopefully in the near future some more light may surface explaining this flaw, in my opinion it may be a retouch.
Rob
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Hi Rob
Now that I know what the pantaloon flaw looks like, I will have a look at all my copies of this stamp.
Most of my copies are used, but some don't have heavy fisted post marks
Horamakhet
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Hi Horamakhet
Who knows what one will find in an accumulation of stamps. Here's a challenge, try and find the thick shading line.
Rob
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Actually Rob, I don't think I'll look for it. I can barely see it on screen, so I doubt that I'll recognise it if I fall over it!
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Hi Dave
Monitors do not give stamps justice, I reckon the only easier way to find one is to have a Pantaloon with the top stamp attached or a block of 4 which included the top 2.
Rob
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Hi Rob
Is this it?
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Hi Philip
My brain needs a little kick-start start at the moment, a little lightheaded after just taking medication half-hour ago, it will take a few hours for me to think straight (for diastolic heart failure and diabetes 2, I had these problems since my 20s), what am I looking for? 
Rob
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Sorry Rob
I forgot to mention is this the stamp with the heavy shading line at the base of the tree.
If you look at a diagonal direction from the firs "8" in 1788, you can see a line that has a blob on the end, and is thicker than the others.
Horamakhet
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Hi Horamakhet
The image is a little pasty, the lines are smoothed over making it impossible to see if there are any thick shading lines. Can you get the image as claer as the stamps I posted in the link below.
I posted a few stamps further up the page, can you scan the stamp as I have them, it'll make identifying the variety easy.
Rob
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Hi Rob
Hopefully this might be a better close up
Directly up from the 7 of 1788 you will see a thick red line, there is a blob at the end
Horamakhet
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Hi Horamakhet
That's much better. it looks close to the thick shading line, but alas, it isn't. It's too straight, it is the same size as the bottom two lines and the variety does not have a blob on the right.
Rob
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Hi Rob
I will just have to keep searching, I have a few copies to check
Horamakhet
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Hi Horamakhet
The only problem with this variety is when it is cancelled, it can be ruined by a heavy cancellation if the postmark covers it, as is the norm, a light cancellation is always desirable.
Rob
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Hello Rob and everyone, This is going to be a hard challenge to find the lines but it will be fun trying.
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Hi Pooh
The fun is in the hunt, who knows what will turn up. The 4 varieties are easily plated (identifying where the stamp is situated on the sheet). For instance, Man with tail is located at row 25/1 (no 25, first stamp on left), sheet letter that has the varieties is currently unknown; Pantaloon located at row 37/2 (no 37, second stamp at left); Koala in tree 37/3 (no 37, third stamp at left); dark shading line 36/2 (row 36, second stamp at left).
So your two stamps - The "Pantaloon" is 37/2, and the "Koala in tree" is 37/3.
Rob
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Hi Rob
The example that I posted with the thick line and the blob, may be a constant variety as I have found another one.
Is this a pantaloon flaw. The Pantaloon possible flaw is in a block of four.
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Hi Horamakhet
It doesn't look like a "Pantaloon". You say it's in a block of 4. You will have another variety in that block, either variety will prove that the stamp you are showing to be a "Pantaloon" if neither is showing then it is not the "Pantaloon.
This block of 4 shows the stamps to the left of the "Pantaloon", the "Pantaloon" is the stamp on the bottom right. Directly above the "Pantaloon" is the thick shading line.
This block of 4 shows the stamps to the left of the "Pantaloon" (shown as the first stamp at bottom left), the stamp on the right of the "Pantaloon" is the "koala in tree" variety.
The "Pantaloon" is always accompanied by these extra varieties.
Rob
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Hi Rob
Not sure which is the thick shading line
Can you help
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I can't remember if I put this one up so if I have I'm sorry
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16 Feb 2019
08:44:57pm
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Hi Pooh
I do not recall you posting that particular stamp, but I may be wrong. The colour flaw on the side of the tree above the officer at right (aka "koala in tree") is a scarce stamp, at current catalogue value it is worth $150 used. To sell the stamp you may get around the $80 - $100 mark.
The postmark is clean and does not cover the variety, making it an attractive used stamp. The postmark is from the Queensland town of Dallarnil, issued on October 16, 1937.
Rob
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Thankyou I actually found the stamp but I wanted to show people that you can find interesting stamps Can you please give me any information about the stamp like how many there is and why is this stamp a scarce stamp???
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17 Feb 2019
03:14:06am
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Hi Pooh
There are 3 varieties on a sheet of 2d stamps, the sheet is rare and is mint unhinged (the blue printing is on the image not on the actual sheet).
In the above plating (sheet position) your stamp is in row 10, 3rd stamp to the right (sheet C number 73/3)
There were 96,000,000 of the regular 2d stamps made, only a few hundred had the 3 varieties, meaning only a few hundred of the koala in tree exist, and even less commercially used (making it scarce in two areas).
Shown is a block of 20 from my collection, it is not listed in catalogues, on the market it is worth nearly $3,000. The mint unhinged koala in tree in the ACSC (Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue), is valued at $1,250.
It is because of the unused stamps that there are less commercially used stamps in existence.
The watermark is a multiple crown C of A (Commonwealth of Australia). The 2d was the letter rate within Australia and British Empire.
There are 3 values to the regular issue stamp as shown below.
It is definitely a nice find of an 81 year old scarce stamp.
Rob
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Thankyou for this but I have a couple of questions I'm trying to understand this and I could of read this wrong but am I right in reading that there isn't many used stamps around of this even through there was alot printed so is this why the stamp is scarce??
How do you work out the position of the stamps when they were printed like what you said above???
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18 Feb 2019
02:10:54am
re: Koala up a tree
Hi Pooh
When the 1937 NSW Sesquicentennial stamps were issued, many millions were printed, for example, there were 96,000,000 of the 2d issued, 4,000,000 of the 3d and 1,280,000 of the 9d.
The amount of each issued to post offices were 71,668,000 of the 2d; 2,454,000 of the 3d and 512,000 of the 9d.
It is a little confusing, what the printers kept was to be used in reserve if any of the stamps needed to be restocked. Commemorative stamps have a limited sale time and after the commemoration time expires the stamps in reserve are destroyed.
Now, of the 96,000,000 of the original printing, only a few hundred sheets are known to have the errors, there is no precise number of the few hundred known, but it is known that only a few hundred have be sold on the market in the past 82 years, which is a good indicator that not many exist.
I have a reference library of Australian stamps and up-to-date editions of the Australian Commonwealth Specialists’ Catalogue which explains the sheet position of the stamps. Even though it doesn’t mention how many errors exist, a great deal of research and being in contact with renowned stamp experts help.
I have been researching Australian stamps for 43 years, and I am currently in the process of completing a book explaining the plate positions and causes of KGV Commemorative and KGVI varieties, the project was handed to me to continue after one of the original researchers died and the other retired due to old age, the research started in 1952.
As I have a mint unhinged copy, there is a small amount of these in existence due to the stamp in this condition being seldom seen on the market, and even rarer being in the block of stamps I had shown.
Also many of these errors were used commercially, not many people kept the envelope and the envelope was discarded.
All this is put into account to determine the scarcity of the variety. In the time I have been collecting, I have not seen many of the commercially used varieties of the 1937 Sesquicentennial 2d.
Rob
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re: Koala up a tree
I see the used Man with Tail quite regularly, but the Pantaloon flaw and associated retouches are very scarce. I have a used Pantaloon retouch State V for sale at the moment, but it's the first I've handled
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18 Feb 2019
07:34:39am
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Hi Dave
The man with tail is quite often seen in used condition, but is seldom seen in MUH. The Pantaloon flaw is not often seen in used condition, they do pop up now and then. The retouches are definitely scarce; I still cannot get hold of any of the retouches.
It’s quite interesting that you have a Pantaloon retouch State V, it’s a pity that the ACSC only mentions the first two, all retouches of the Pantaloon are very scarce.
Rob
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Hello Rob I have 1 last question about the stamp, is there any more different varieties with the stamps that has been found?? Also what are the associated retouches with the Pantaloon flaw?? I live in outback Qld so this is the only way I can find out things.
Mr Dave Sheridan thankyou for your help also
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Hi Dave or Rob
I may have asked this before
Do you have a good scan of the pantaloon variety, so I can carefully check all my copies.
Horamakhet
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19 Feb 2019
10:19:18pm
re: Koala up a tree
Hi Horamakhet
I'm sure I can fulfil that request. Here is a MUH "Pantaloon"; the "Pantaloon" is the dark blob directly underneath the sailor's hand holding his flintlock rifle.
Good luck on the search, they do exist in used condition and they can be found in purchased collections.
Rob
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12:04:32am
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Hi Pooh
Sorry I did not reply I didn’t see your post until now. There are a few other varieties which I will show in large format so they can be easily recognised. Unfortunately I do not have any retouches, they are very difficult to obtain.
The black and white sketch of the retouched Pantaloon in the ACSC isn’t the best to describe any retouch, an actual stamp is required, and maybe Dave may post the retouched 2d he has so we can have a better view of a retouch.
There are a few varieties for the 2d but the varieties to look for is the main four, “main with tail”, “Pantaloon”, koala in tree and “thick shading line at the base of tree".
Man with tail - Behind the officer with the outstretched hand at right.
Pantaloon - Dark colour flaw seen directly below right hand of sailor holding a flintlock rifle at left of the officers.
Koala in tree (colour flaw) - Can be seen in tree directly behind the officer's outstretched hand at right.
Thick shading line - New discovery.
Rob
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As requested, this is the State 5 retouch
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03:11:53am
re: Koala up a tree
This is my first post to this board. I've enjoyed everyone's contributions to this topic and others in the general Australia-wide area.
The Pantaloon flaw and associated retouches are interesting. A few years ago, I posted to Stampboards a fairly comprehensive (and illustrated) listing of two states of the flaw and three states of the retouch.
Readers of this thread might find the Stampboards post of interest.
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=22147#p4696513
Philip
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20 Feb 2019
03:44:37am
re: Koala up a tree
Hi Philip
Thanks for the info and link on the retouches, I now understand a bit more about them, I'm going to inquire if these retouches can be located MUH.
Rob
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Thankyou for the information now I have another question, The thick shading line at the base of the tree, why is this a new discovery?? It just looks like a normal line and also the Koala up the tree stamp I have only put the stamp up on this board so you all were the first to see it and no other stamp board places have seen it. I totally agree with you all this is a fantastic place to find information not like some other places.
I hope you can give me some information about the shading at the base of the tree
Thankyou
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21 Feb 2019
02:12:52am
re: Koala up a tree
Hi Pooh
Yes it is a new discovery, it was discovered only a few months ago by an internationally renowned specialist stamp dealer on Commonwealth stamps (a friend), it only occurs on sheets affected by the three flaws, The normal shading lines are nearly straight lines, but the variety is bowed and curved at the ends, and it is much thicker than the other shading lines that make up the tree design.
It can be recognised by the naked eye. It is scarce.
The used stamp showing the koala in the tree is a nice find, that particular colour flaw is seldom seen on the market it is also scarce.
There is no other information on the thick shading line but hopefully in the near future some more light may surface explaining this flaw, in my opinion it may be a retouch.
Rob
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re: Koala up a tree
Hi Rob
Now that I know what the pantaloon flaw looks like, I will have a look at all my copies of this stamp.
Most of my copies are used, but some don't have heavy fisted post marks
Horamakhet
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21 Feb 2019
04:07:20pm
re: Koala up a tree
Hi Horamakhet
Who knows what one will find in an accumulation of stamps. Here's a challenge, try and find the thick shading line.
Rob
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Actually Rob, I don't think I'll look for it. I can barely see it on screen, so I doubt that I'll recognise it if I fall over it!
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22 Feb 2019
09:59:43am
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Hi Dave
Monitors do not give stamps justice, I reckon the only easier way to find one is to have a Pantaloon with the top stamp attached or a block of 4 which included the top 2.
Rob
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Hi Rob
Is this it?
Horamakhet
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23 Feb 2019
10:39:33am
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Hi Philip
My brain needs a little kick-start start at the moment, a little lightheaded after just taking medication half-hour ago, it will take a few hours for me to think straight (for diastolic heart failure and diabetes 2, I had these problems since my 20s), what am I looking for?
Rob
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Sorry Rob
I forgot to mention is this the stamp with the heavy shading line at the base of the tree.
If you look at a diagonal direction from the firs "8" in 1788, you can see a line that has a blob on the end, and is thicker than the others.
Horamakhet
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24 Feb 2019
02:57:12am
re: Koala up a tree
Hi Horamakhet
The image is a little pasty, the lines are smoothed over making it impossible to see if there are any thick shading lines. Can you get the image as claer as the stamps I posted in the link below.
I posted a few stamps further up the page, can you scan the stamp as I have them, it'll make identifying the variety easy.
Rob
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Hi Rob
Hopefully this might be a better close up
Directly up from the 7 of 1788 you will see a thick red line, there is a blob at the end
Horamakhet
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24 Feb 2019
11:31:12am
re: Koala up a tree
Hi Horamakhet
That's much better. it looks close to the thick shading line, but alas, it isn't. It's too straight, it is the same size as the bottom two lines and the variety does not have a blob on the right.
Rob
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Hi Rob
I will just have to keep searching, I have a few copies to check
Horamakhet
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24 Feb 2019
06:02:11pm
re: Koala up a tree
Hi Horamakhet
The only problem with this variety is when it is cancelled, it can be ruined by a heavy cancellation if the postmark covers it, as is the norm, a light cancellation is always desirable.
Rob
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09:53:13pm
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Hello Rob and everyone, This is going to be a hard challenge to find the lines but it will be fun trying.
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25 Feb 2019
05:52:36am
re: Koala up a tree
Hi Pooh
The fun is in the hunt, who knows what will turn up. The 4 varieties are easily plated (identifying where the stamp is situated on the sheet). For instance, Man with tail is located at row 25/1 (no 25, first stamp on left), sheet letter that has the varieties is currently unknown; Pantaloon located at row 37/2 (no 37, second stamp at left); Koala in tree 37/3 (no 37, third stamp at left); dark shading line 36/2 (row 36, second stamp at left).
So your two stamps - The "Pantaloon" is 37/2, and the "Koala in tree" is 37/3.
Rob
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Hi Rob
The example that I posted with the thick line and the blob, may be a constant variety as I have found another one.
Is this a pantaloon flaw. The Pantaloon possible flaw is in a block of four.
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Horamakhet
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26 Feb 2019
08:39:10pm
re: Koala up a tree
Hi Horamakhet
It doesn't look like a "Pantaloon". You say it's in a block of 4. You will have another variety in that block, either variety will prove that the stamp you are showing to be a "Pantaloon" if neither is showing then it is not the "Pantaloon.
This block of 4 shows the stamps to the left of the "Pantaloon", the "Pantaloon" is the stamp on the bottom right. Directly above the "Pantaloon" is the thick shading line.
This block of 4 shows the stamps to the left of the "Pantaloon" (shown as the first stamp at bottom left), the stamp on the right of the "Pantaloon" is the "koala in tree" variety.
The "Pantaloon" is always accompanied by these extra varieties.
Rob
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Hi Rob
Not sure which is the thick shading line
Can you help
Horamakhet
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