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As a young man a lone RB23 found me and was both the first 'Battle' and B.O.B. piece that ever went into my collection. It certainly made a huge impression on me as after a very, very long time away from the hobby I came straight back to collecting Battleships!
As so mentioned above, my current study/collecting is solely RB23... Used/Unused; All Conditions; All Usages; All Cancellation Types; however, in Singles and Horizontal Pairs Only (no vertical pairs, blocks, strips, or sheets).
Currently, I am in the delightful process of planning, designing, and setting up a specialized album to showcase my RB23s covering the different varieties, usages, and cancellations I have/will collect.
Also, I am on a mad and desperate hunt for the following:
RB23 Single; Unused; NH; VF-XF; w/ FULL GUM; amazingly this stamp, in either roulette or hyphen-hole with full gum intact, has proven to be quite wily in remaining quite hidden from me!
"E.S. Wells" Proprietary Medicine Company Cancellation on a RB23; although, I am seeking this cancel on a single RB23 I would buy as a block or even on an entirely different denomination just to secure the cancel as the company was owned by a distant relative of mine.
Embossed, Perfin, or Cut Cancellation on a RB23; if they even exist... I have yet to see any of them on a Proprietary Series Battleship... even in illegal usage scenarios.
RB23S-G; Specimen Overprint Type G; again, if it even exists.
RB23 Plate Block Singles (LSM/RSM horizontal only).
If anyone should happen upon any of them please kindly tip me off of their whereabouts... I would be most appreciative and more than happy to offer a fair finder's fee if I secure the piece.
To all Battleship owners out there, please do share pics of any interesting RB23s you might have... I will do the same.
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Welcome to Stamporama. I have two copies of RB23 in my collection shown below. Both have faults. Correct me if I am wrong, but the left one is roulette and the right one is hyphen-hole, and they appear to be different color variations. Sorry, not much to show you from me.
Linus
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Welcome to this community.
Part of a 90+ page lot of revenues that I sold last week.
A page from my collection
Don
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Well, I don't know if they are interesting beyond just being revenues,
but here are mine;
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Thank you all for the warm welcome.
@1938324 (aka Bob) - indeed I have good sir, mulling over a few of them actually.
@Linus - battles, just like the real things, are typically a bit rusty... the rather poor quality paper, questionable ink, and heavy/hard usage they went through has resulted in a very wide condition range, as well as color shades/variations. All part of their character and charm I say ;-) Regarding the perforation, vice versa. The tell-tale sign for roulette are the bites of paper from the stamp (hyphen-hole completely removes the paper) but with that said, this series (both proprietary and documentary issues) is notoriously difficult to sometimes impossible to determine perforation type. Case in point, my avatar pic. That particular battle is a rare perforation variety known as Hyphen Hole Perf. 14 (aka HH14). For still unknown reasons the device perforation wheel occasionally failed to completely pierce the paper and itched doubly'.
@51Studebaker (aka Don) - firstly, congrats on beating cancer! My father battled stage 3 & 4 lymphatic cancer three (3) times, over two-and-a-half decades, and beat it every time. Wishing you a long and healthy remission. Secondly, your RB24 block of four, in roulette 5.5, is very nice... very well-centered, especially so for the 1 Cent denomination which has a bad record for centering as compared to the other denominations of the series.
@musicman - hardly so! Extremely interesting in fact as you have a manuscript cancel I have been hunting for! Dickeson (Second Row, Second from Left). A prolific signer seen on all the proprietary denominations (RB20-31) from 1898 until 1901 whom til this day is completely unknown... no city, state, or business has been confirmed though a small New York State cosmetics company has been proposed but never proven. So though being a very common script cancel for some reason I have never had any luck finding one on RB23 
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Welcome to the board Scott!
I am not familiar with your stamp of choice, but ardent specialization is a very cool thing. Guess what stamp I collect?
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@BenFranklin1902 certainly do! Scott # 300 "Gingerbread" Ben Franklin Series of 1902-03
BTW: I know an "old" Exton well... graduated VFMA and Villanova a long time back!
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Welcome Battleship, while i have nowhere near the discipline or attention span to stick to one stamp.or even one topic...i do have a weak spot for Guatemala #118 from the 1902 Waterlow series and pick one up whenever seen.
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@angore - thank you; very happy to be on board!
@philb - my highly eccentric O.C.D. is totally to blame! I certainly understand your weak spot. It seems to me that the golden age of stamps was the period between the 1890s until the 1930s... just like the Guatemala #118 so many issues of this special period are hands down absolute mind-grabbers and eye-catchers.
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I never really thought about it before, but on RB23, the "Series of 1898" stimulated me to google USS Maine:
Yep, I guess that's the subject of the stamp. Anything of additional interest to add?
-Paul
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@pigdoc - certainly is! Here is the lithograph (Naval Archives in Washington) painted by F.N. Atwood in 1895 from which Robert F. Ponickau beautifully engraved the vignette. Frame and lettering were engraved by Douglas S. Ronaldson.
Only a few things were changed by the engraver such as the front mast flag direction, the bow depth and curvature, and the pattern of the bow wave. The amount of details that Robert conveyed and included on his engraving of is truly remarkable... for example the steamer ship on the left horizon and the sailing schooner on the right are both seen on the stamp!
Here is another pic shown nearly the same angle as seen on the stamp.
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Signori, i have been wondering for some time if this was the original Maine, the card is postmarked North Bethel Maine 5/26/06 and my goodness it has a one cent Franklin stamp.
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@philb - not the same ship good man. The USS Maine that sunk in Havana Harbor and which is displayed on the revenue stamps is the ACR-1, an armored cruiser or 2nd-class battleship launched in 1889. The ship on the postcard you shared is of the much bigger USS Maine (BB-10) a pre-dreadnought battleship class launched in 1901. They are commonly misidentified with one another.
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Welcome Battleship! I am a collector of many things, but i do love my 43-volume USA collection... including revenues with the U.S.S. Maine.
I look forward to reading and learning from your posts on the Battleship.
Remembering the Maine,
David
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Hello Battleship and welcome aboard to our forum. I am sure you will gain a lot of information in here and hope you will enjoy the forum. Your collecting topic is quite interesting to say the least. Enjoy.
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Thanks, BattleshipRB23, for the Atwood print and marvelous enlargement of the stamp!
For anyone who's interested in experiencing warships of this era, the USS Olympia (C-6) lies in the Delaware River at Philadelphia. She is restored to her 1898 configuration and is open for tours! I have been aboard twice, and it is a marvelous tour!
To place her in history, she was the flagship of Commodore George Dewey at the Battle of Manila Bay during the Spanish–American War in 1898, and on whose decks uttered the famous words, "You may fire when you are ready, Gridley." Dewey had a long and varied history with the US Navy, surviving to the ripe old age of 79.
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I visited that ship many decades ago... so happy to hear it is still around. I once heard a wicked rumor that they were going to scuttle her as an artificial reef. Glad she was saved.
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I am a long time specialised collector of Australian KGV varieties plus I have a smaller collection of Roos.
For the past two years I have been researching the flaws of the Tasmanian Pictorial issues concentrating on the 1/2d, 1d and 2d both Litho and Electrotype issues.
Some of the completed 'Flaw Finders' work has been issued as free PDF files through the Tasmanian Philatelic website, or directly from me via dropbox, others I am looking for help on.
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It appears that my and @Tasnaki's INTRO threads have merged together.
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Greetings all, I am laser focused, on all things Scott USA RB23.
As a young man a lone RB23 found me and was both the first 'Battle' and B.O.B. piece that ever went into my collection. It certainly made a huge impression on me as after a very, very long time away from the hobby I came straight back to collecting Battleships!
As so mentioned above, my current study/collecting is solely RB23... Used/Unused; All Conditions; All Usages; All Cancellation Types; however, in Singles and Horizontal Pairs Only (no vertical pairs, blocks, strips, or sheets).
Currently, I am in the delightful process of planning, designing, and setting up a specialized album to showcase my RB23s covering the different varieties, usages, and cancellations I have/will collect.
Also, I am on a mad and desperate hunt for the following:
RB23 Single; Unused; NH; VF-XF; w/ FULL GUM; amazingly this stamp, in either roulette or hyphen-hole with full gum intact, has proven to be quite wily in remaining quite hidden from me!
"E.S. Wells" Proprietary Medicine Company Cancellation on a RB23; although, I am seeking this cancel on a single RB23 I would buy as a block or even on an entirely different denomination just to secure the cancel as the company was owned by a distant relative of mine.
Embossed, Perfin, or Cut Cancellation on a RB23; if they even exist... I have yet to see any of them on a Proprietary Series Battleship... even in illegal usage scenarios.
RB23S-G; Specimen Overprint Type G; again, if it even exists.
RB23 Plate Block Singles (LSM/RSM horizontal only).
If anyone should happen upon any of them please kindly tip me off of their whereabouts... I would be most appreciative and more than happy to offer a fair finder's fee if I secure the piece.
To all Battleship owners out there, please do share pics of any interesting RB23s you might have... I will do the same.
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Welcome to Stamporama. I have two copies of RB23 in my collection shown below. Both have faults. Correct me if I am wrong, but the left one is roulette and the right one is hyphen-hole, and they appear to be different color variations. Sorry, not much to show you from me.
Linus
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Welcome to this community.
Part of a 90+ page lot of revenues that I sold last week.
A page from my collection
Don
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Well, I don't know if they are interesting beyond just being revenues,
but here are mine;
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Thank you all for the warm welcome.
@1938324 (aka Bob) - indeed I have good sir, mulling over a few of them actually.
@Linus - battles, just like the real things, are typically a bit rusty... the rather poor quality paper, questionable ink, and heavy/hard usage they went through has resulted in a very wide condition range, as well as color shades/variations. All part of their character and charm I say ;-) Regarding the perforation, vice versa. The tell-tale sign for roulette are the bites of paper from the stamp (hyphen-hole completely removes the paper) but with that said, this series (both proprietary and documentary issues) is notoriously difficult to sometimes impossible to determine perforation type. Case in point, my avatar pic. That particular battle is a rare perforation variety known as Hyphen Hole Perf. 14 (aka HH14). For still unknown reasons the device perforation wheel occasionally failed to completely pierce the paper and itched doubly'.
@51Studebaker (aka Don) - firstly, congrats on beating cancer! My father battled stage 3 & 4 lymphatic cancer three (3) times, over two-and-a-half decades, and beat it every time. Wishing you a long and healthy remission. Secondly, your RB24 block of four, in roulette 5.5, is very nice... very well-centered, especially so for the 1 Cent denomination which has a bad record for centering as compared to the other denominations of the series.
@musicman - hardly so! Extremely interesting in fact as you have a manuscript cancel I have been hunting for! Dickeson (Second Row, Second from Left). A prolific signer seen on all the proprietary denominations (RB20-31) from 1898 until 1901 whom til this day is completely unknown... no city, state, or business has been confirmed though a small New York State cosmetics company has been proposed but never proven. So though being a very common script cancel for some reason I have never had any luck finding one on RB23 we must chat
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Welcome to the board Scott!
I am not familiar with your stamp of choice, but ardent specialization is a very cool thing. Guess what stamp I collect?
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@BenFranklin1902 certainly do! Scott # 300 "Gingerbread" Ben Franklin Series of 1902-03
BTW: I know an "old" Exton well... graduated VFMA and Villanova a long time back!
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Welcome Battleship, while i have nowhere near the discipline or attention span to stick to one stamp.or even one topic...i do have a weak spot for Guatemala #118 from the 1902 Waterlow series and pick one up whenever seen.
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@angore - thank you; very happy to be on board!
@philb - my highly eccentric O.C.D. is totally to blame! I certainly understand your weak spot. It seems to me that the golden age of stamps was the period between the 1890s until the 1930s... just like the Guatemala #118 so many issues of this special period are hands down absolute mind-grabbers and eye-catchers.
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I never really thought about it before, but on RB23, the "Series of 1898" stimulated me to google USS Maine:
Yep, I guess that's the subject of the stamp. Anything of additional interest to add?
-Paul
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@pigdoc - certainly is! Here is the lithograph (Naval Archives in Washington) painted by F.N. Atwood in 1895 from which Robert F. Ponickau beautifully engraved the vignette. Frame and lettering were engraved by Douglas S. Ronaldson.
Only a few things were changed by the engraver such as the front mast flag direction, the bow depth and curvature, and the pattern of the bow wave. The amount of details that Robert conveyed and included on his engraving of is truly remarkable... for example the steamer ship on the left horizon and the sailing schooner on the right are both seen on the stamp!
Here is another pic shown nearly the same angle as seen on the stamp.
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Signori, i have been wondering for some time if this was the original Maine, the card is postmarked North Bethel Maine 5/26/06 and my goodness it has a one cent Franklin stamp.
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@philb - not the same ship good man. The USS Maine that sunk in Havana Harbor and which is displayed on the revenue stamps is the ACR-1, an armored cruiser or 2nd-class battleship launched in 1889. The ship on the postcard you shared is of the much bigger USS Maine (BB-10) a pre-dreadnought battleship class launched in 1901. They are commonly misidentified with one another.
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Welcome Battleship! I am a collector of many things, but i do love my 43-volume USA collection... including revenues with the U.S.S. Maine.
I look forward to reading and learning from your posts on the Battleship.
Remembering the Maine,
David
Ottawa, Canada
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Hello Battleship and welcome aboard to our forum. I am sure you will gain a lot of information in here and hope you will enjoy the forum. Your collecting topic is quite interesting to say the least. Enjoy.
Chimo
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Thanks, BattleshipRB23, for the Atwood print and marvelous enlargement of the stamp!
For anyone who's interested in experiencing warships of this era, the USS Olympia (C-6) lies in the Delaware River at Philadelphia. She is restored to her 1898 configuration and is open for tours! I have been aboard twice, and it is a marvelous tour!
To place her in history, she was the flagship of Commodore George Dewey at the Battle of Manila Bay during the Spanish–American War in 1898, and on whose decks uttered the famous words, "You may fire when you are ready, Gridley." Dewey had a long and varied history with the US Navy, surviving to the ripe old age of 79.
-Paul
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I visited that ship many decades ago... so happy to hear it is still around. I once heard a wicked rumor that they were going to scuttle her as an artificial reef. Glad she was saved.
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I am a long time specialised collector of Australian KGV varieties plus I have a smaller collection of Roos.
For the past two years I have been researching the flaws of the Tasmanian Pictorial issues concentrating on the 1/2d, 1d and 2d both Litho and Electrotype issues.
Some of the completed 'Flaw Finders' work has been issued as free PDF files through the Tasmanian Philatelic website, or directly from me via dropbox, others I am looking for help on.
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It appears that my and @Tasnaki's INTRO threads have merged together.
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