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For example two forever stamps ($1.10) and 5c stamp? Thanks, Virgil
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I do this on a regular basis.
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yes; perfectly legal
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I thought international regulations (UPU?) required denominations/values on international correspondence?
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"I thought international regulations (UPU?) required denominations/values on international correspondence?"
That would pose a problem for this:
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Virgil,
You might be thinking about the rate increase stamps with a letter on them, they can only be used for domestic mail.
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If memory serves, during the first years of the 'forever' stamps they were not valid for use on international mail.
Then, that changed.
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I've even received a domestic mail package with the International Forever stamp on it!
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The International Forever stamp is valid for use on domestic mail.
Ikey, I believe you're correct.
The comment on the lettered rate change stamps is also correct, but I have used them on international mail, and the post office accepted it. I can't say for sure if the post office is tolerating such usage, or the ban was lifted for those as well.
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Thanks everybody for your kind reply. Virgil
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we're getting "non-denominated" (ND) and "forever" (F) stamps mixed up. Fs are NDs, but not all NDs are Fs.
In the early days of US NDs (for rate hikes), they were NOT valid for international mail; later iterations, probably around (22c) WERE valid.
All F stamps are valid on domestic and foreign mail.
Now, good luck finding someone who works at the PO to tell you the values these NDs. Some change with the rates; others are fixed.
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"Now, good luck finding someone who works at the PO to tell you the values these NDs."
I had a decorated cover with a bunch of NDs and took in a copy of relevant album pages "just in case" but my local postie slid open the bottom drawer and pulled out a cheat sheet that included images of all NDs all the way back to "A". I was impressed.
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Here is a list of the U.S. non-denominated stamps together with their face values:
https://alphabetilately.org/G2.html
And here are some album pages for them:
https://stamps.org/Portals/0/albums/Nondenominated.pdf
-jmh
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Jan,
I understood the semis to be equivalent to a forever stamp, always paying the US first class rate. Is that not true?
David
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"... but my local postie slid open the bottom drawer and pulled out a cheat sheet that included images of all NDs all the way back to "A". I was impressed ..."
Well, if that impressed you, get ready to be gob-smacked
What that clerk probably pulled out of that drawer was some version of:
USPS 604a Quick Service Guide
Basic Standards for All Mailing Services
Nondenominated Postage
http://pe.usps.com/cpim/ftp/manuals/qsg300/q604a.pdf ... the current version, as a PDF
https://pe.usps.com/QSG_Archive/NHTML/QSG_Archive_20161107/Q604a.htm ... a slightly older version, but as a web page, so's you can steal the pics
Meanwhile, the use of non-denominated stamps is covered in the USPS International Mailing Manual, Section 152.3 Stamps ... that page is available as a PDF from, uh, me.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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Well, that took long enough!
I knew that I had the definitive work on this subject spinning around my hard disk - or living in infamy as a link in one of my hobby spreadsheets - but just try and find these things when you want to find them!
Non-denominated “A” - “G” Definitive Stamps on International Mail
by Tony Wawrukiewicz, Auxiliary Markings, Issue 32, October 2011
"This article first appeared in the September 2011 volume of the U.S. Specialist. Since it appeared there, I have been able to acquire further examples of the more difficult to acquire usages and Rob Washburn has given me access to other examples of other more difficult to acquire usages."
Tony's essay was folded into his book, Insights into US Postal History, 1855-2016, available at:
http://pbbooks.com/markings.htm
https://classic.stamps.org/Publications
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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"I get letters from the States franked with a single Forever stamp all the time. I imagine many Ebay sellers believe Canada is just another state."
The same eBay sellers who ask for the international rates for Puerto Rico and New Mexico!
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And believe that New Mexico is another country and the drugs are brought into the US from British Columbia
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The 20191021 issue of Linn's features a three-page spread entitled:
Postage values for nondenominated US postage stamps
It includes an image, postage value, Scott number, and the FDoI.
That issue was a freebie at NOJEX.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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Can I use forever stamps to send a regular letter overseas as long as I make the shipping cost?
For example two forever stamps ($1.10) and 5c stamp? Thanks, Virgil
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I do this on a regular basis.
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yes; perfectly legal
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I thought international regulations (UPU?) required denominations/values on international correspondence?
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"I thought international regulations (UPU?) required denominations/values on international correspondence?"
That would pose a problem for this:
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Virgil,
You might be thinking about the rate increase stamps with a letter on them, they can only be used for domestic mail.
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If memory serves, during the first years of the 'forever' stamps they were not valid for use on international mail.
Then, that changed.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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I've even received a domestic mail package with the International Forever stamp on it!
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re: Forever stamps used for international letters
The International Forever stamp is valid for use on domestic mail.
Ikey, I believe you're correct.
The comment on the lettered rate change stamps is also correct, but I have used them on international mail, and the post office accepted it. I can't say for sure if the post office is tolerating such usage, or the ban was lifted for those as well.
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Thanks everybody for your kind reply. Virgil
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re: Forever stamps used for international letters
we're getting "non-denominated" (ND) and "forever" (F) stamps mixed up. Fs are NDs, but not all NDs are Fs.
In the early days of US NDs (for rate hikes), they were NOT valid for international mail; later iterations, probably around (22c) WERE valid.
All F stamps are valid on domestic and foreign mail.
Now, good luck finding someone who works at the PO to tell you the values these NDs. Some change with the rates; others are fixed.
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"Now, good luck finding someone who works at the PO to tell you the values these NDs."
I had a decorated cover with a bunch of NDs and took in a copy of relevant album pages "just in case" but my local postie slid open the bottom drawer and pulled out a cheat sheet that included images of all NDs all the way back to "A". I was impressed.
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re: Forever stamps used for international letters
Here is a list of the U.S. non-denominated stamps together with their face values:
https://alphabetilately.org/G2.html
And here are some album pages for them:
https://stamps.org/Portals/0/albums/Nondenominated.pdf
-jmh
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Jan,
I understood the semis to be equivalent to a forever stamp, always paying the US first class rate. Is that not true?
David
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"... but my local postie slid open the bottom drawer and pulled out a cheat sheet that included images of all NDs all the way back to "A". I was impressed ..."
Well, if that impressed you, get ready to be gob-smacked
What that clerk probably pulled out of that drawer was some version of:
USPS 604a Quick Service Guide
Basic Standards for All Mailing Services
Nondenominated Postage
http://pe.usps.com/cpim/ftp/manuals/qsg300/q604a.pdf ... the current version, as a PDF
https://pe.usps.com/QSG_Archive/NHTML/QSG_Archive_20161107/Q604a.htm ... a slightly older version, but as a web page, so's you can steal the pics
Meanwhile, the use of non-denominated stamps is covered in the USPS International Mailing Manual, Section 152.3 Stamps ... that page is available as a PDF from, uh, me.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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re: Forever stamps used for international letters
Well, that took long enough!
I knew that I had the definitive work on this subject spinning around my hard disk - or living in infamy as a link in one of my hobby spreadsheets - but just try and find these things when you want to find them!
Non-denominated “A” - “G” Definitive Stamps on International Mail
by Tony Wawrukiewicz, Auxiliary Markings, Issue 32, October 2011
"This article first appeared in the September 2011 volume of the U.S. Specialist. Since it appeared there, I have been able to acquire further examples of the more difficult to acquire usages and Rob Washburn has given me access to other examples of other more difficult to acquire usages."
Tony's essay was folded into his book, Insights into US Postal History, 1855-2016, available at:
http://pbbooks.com/markings.htm
https://classic.stamps.org/Publications
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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"I get letters from the States franked with a single Forever stamp all the time. I imagine many Ebay sellers believe Canada is just another state."
The same eBay sellers who ask for the international rates for Puerto Rico and New Mexico!
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And believe that New Mexico is another country and the drugs are brought into the US from British Columbia
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The 20191021 issue of Linn's features a three-page spread entitled:
Postage values for nondenominated US postage stamps
It includes an image, postage value, Scott number, and the FDoI.
That issue was a freebie at NOJEX.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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