Hi Lars,
India:
I think there's a good case for adding Sind as a predecessor but I realise the stamps are rare and expensive.
I would also add the following feudatory states:
- Dungarpur stamps issued 1933-1946, in use until 1948.
- Shahpura stamps issued 1914-1947, in use until 1948.
I suggest either splitting Indore into Holkar and Indore to reflect the change of name on the stamps or just rename it as Indore (Holkar).
- Jammu & Kashmir
I suggest keeping Kashmir with the other stamps, i.e. alphabetically with Jammu.
I'm not sure you need both of the Jammu & Kashmir categories. Perhaps just combine the dates.
- Travancore
I would remove "Anchel" from the name. It just means post (or post office).
Nepal:
I would split Nepal into Kingdom and Republic.
Pakistan:
I would add as a predecessor the Indian feudatory state of Las Bela.
"India:
I think there's a good case for adding Sind as a predecessor but I realise the stamps are rare and expensive."
"
I would also add the following feudatory states:
- Dungarpur stamps issued 1933-1946, in use until 1948.
- Shahpura stamps issued 1914-1947, in use until 1948."
"I suggest either splitting Indore into Holkar and Indore to reflect the change of name on the stamps or just rename it as Indore (Holkar)."
"I suggest keeping Kashmir with the other stamps, i.e. alphabetically with Jammu.
I'm not sure you need both of the Jammu & Kashmir categories. Perhaps just combine the dates.
"
"Travancore
I would remove "Anchel" from the name. It just means post (or post office)."
"Nepal:
I would split Nepal into Kingdom and Republic."
"Pakistan:
I would add as a predecessor the Indian feudatory state of Las Bela."
One note I forgot to add regarding Korea. I thought it was interesting that Smithsonian carved out a slot for the US Administration of South Korea (1946-1948 - Scott #55-79) but not the Soviet Occupation of North Korea during that same time (Scott #1-13).
Hi Lars,
A few follow-up comments first on India:
India:
Oops, I'd forgotten that Sind is now in Pakistan. Thanks!
I don't believe that the state of Jammu and Kashmir ever separated politically so whether you keep the Kashmir issues with the others is just a matter of preference.
Cambodia:
Indo-China is a predecessor but if I had to choose I would have included it as a predecessor to Vietnam instead.
Cambodia was added to French Indo-China and then later removed again.
East Timor:
I would move Portuguese Timor from the Indonesia section to be a predecessor here.
East Timor has the same territory as the Portuguese colony.
You may wish to add UNTAET for the first modern East Timor stamps when under UN administration.
Indonesia:
I suggest adding Riau-Lingga as a predecessor (or include it in the Local section).
Another possibility is the South Moluccas for the 1950 overprint set.
Malaysia:
I would suggest adding three more predecessors:
- The Malaysian Postal Union issued postage dues for use across Malaya for many years.
- British Military Administration issued stamps for use across Malaya after the war before the creation of the Malayan Federation.
- Federal Territories (Kuala Lumpur, Putrajaya and Labuan) now have low value definitives in the same designs as the individual states.
I also suggest splitting two of the states by period to reflect the changes in form of government:
North Borneo
- North Borneo Company
- British Colony
Sarawak
- Brooke Rajas
- British Colony
- State of Malaysia
Philippines:
You may wish to add as a predecessor the Filipino Revolutionary Government (KKK) issues of 1898-89.
Thailand:
I suggest removing Bangkok to the BOB section assuming this is for the British Post Office issues.
However, I would suggest adding Siam as a predecessor in its place.
Vietnam:
You may wish to consider listing as predecessors the North Vietnam issues for both Tongking and Central Annam.
These were in use before the general North Vietnam issues.
Nigel,
I only have time to address a few things before calling it a night:
"Cambodia:
Indo-China is a predecessor but if I had to choose I would have included it as a predecessor to Vietnam instead.
Cambodia was added to French Indo-China and then later removed again."
"Vietnam:
You may wish to consider listing as predecessors the North Vietnam issues for both Tongking and Central Annam.
These were in use before the general North Vietnam issues."
Hi Lars,
"So I have no problem making changes and adding things, but what you are describing sounds suspiciously like local stamps from a fledgling uprising. I would need more info to include those. "
I still have several items in Southeast Asia that Nigel brought up, but the last sections of Europe, Africa, and Oceania have already been posted so I want to at least get started on Western Asia.
Western Asia Part 1:
Transcaucasia was a predecessor for Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia, but its capital was Tbilisi/Tiflis, so maybe Georgia is more appropriate as a home for that stamp?
Also, Batum was a predecessor for Georgia.
Abkhazia and Artsakh might count as locals. I am not sure if South Ossetian stamps have actually been used, but might be worth looking into.
"Transcaucasia was a predecessor for Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia, but its capital was Tbilisi/Tiflis, so maybe Georgia is more appropriate as a home for that stamp?"
Hi Lars,
I have a few comments on the new pages:
Iran:
The predecessor marked as "Republic" should be "Monarchy" or something similar.
Israel:
Is the Palestine Authority going to appear in this section as a separate item?
Kuwait:
You may wish to splitting the protectorate into periods for Indian and British postal administration as with Bahrain.
Kyrgyzstan:
The country has two official UPU postal operators which is very unusual although I expect that the three operators in Bosnia and Herzegovina and the two in Andorra follow into the same category.
You may possibly wish to represent this with a Kyrgyz Express Post stamp although it doesn't reflect a political change.
Oman:
I suggest adding another predecessor for the Indian Postal Administration which is called Muscat in the SG catalogues and renaming the Muscat category here to British Postal Administration which is called British Postal Agencies in Eastern Arabia in the SG catalogues.
I have printed off all of the past comments and I will start addressing all unanswered ones, but let me take your first two recent comments real quick:
1. Yes, Iran prior should be Monarchy. Typo (mine). Smithsonian only had one spot for Iran!
2. Palestinian Authority: That's a good point, but I don't know how to treat this. My first instinct is to add it to the International Organizations section until the State of Palestine is recognized internationally. However, there definitely needs to be a PA stamp SOMEWHERE!
Greaden,
I still owe you an answer:
"Abkhazia and Artsakh might count as locals. I am not sure if South Ossetian stamps have actually been used, but might be worth looking into."
"Kuwait:
You may wish to splitting the protectorate into periods for Indian and British postal administration as with Bahrain."
"Kyrgyzstan:
The country has two official UPU postal operators which is very unusual although I expect that the three operators in Bosnia and Herzegovina and the two in Andorra follow into the same category.
You may possibly wish to represent this with a Kyrgyz Express Post stamp although it doesn't reflect a political change."
"Oman:
I suggest adding another predecessor for the Indian Postal Administration which is called Muscat in the SG catalogues and renaming the Muscat category here to British Postal Administration which is called British Postal Agencies in Eastern Arabia in the SG catalogues."
Hi Lars,
Indian Princely States:
Kotah (Kota) and Tonk were neighbouring princely states in Rajasthan.
Both were "17-gun" salute states so were significant states politically.
Here's a map from the 1909 Imperial Gazetteer of India (and copied from Wikipedia):
The state of Tonk consisted of several discrete areas. Tonk city is shown at the top in the centre and other areas are scattered all around Kotah.
There are lots of other stamp-issuing states in this map: Bundi, Jhalawar, Gwalior and many more.
Both Kotah and Tonk stamps are rare and neither state has been listed yet in the SG Part 1 catalogue.
I believe the two most recent states to be added to SG's catalogue were Dungarpur and Shahpura.
Both of these are shown on this map too.
I am sure this has been addressed multiple times, but I didn't see it in my scan of the threads. Once all the shakeouts are finished are you going to make this available to download ? I have the Smithsonian one and actually use a different page format but would love it as a simple checklist ! What you guys are doing is fantastic !
"Once all the shakeouts are finished are you going to make this available to download?"
"What you guys are doing is fantastic!"
Thanks, looking forward to seeing it all put together. I have jumped into the deep end of the pool and am now working on Military and Occupation stamps. My sorta boundary I guess is that it was issued by a specific entity for use in a specific geographic area. ( which then opens an entire other can of worms with such items as the Mirdita stamps since they were intended to be used allegedly. ) I will have to post my page for Austria. It has come out nice, but I completely relate to the mention of labor intensive. Hence, why I appreciate so much these threads and the project ! The understanding of the history is fascinating to me !
Will post a few of my pages in the next day or two to get your opinion.
"Will post a few of my pages in the next day or two to get your opinion."
Here is my first cut at an expanded Smithsonian "One For Every Country" Collection.
REMEMBER THE RULES:
1. No Offices Abroad, Local Stamps, or Occupation stamps. Those go in last section.
2. All dates are stamp issuing dates (although Smithsonian was quite inconsistent, I tried to clean that up).
3. This is MY example of an expansion, for your consideration and comment. You may decide to go a totally different route. That's OK, and please tell us why.
For some strange reason, Smithsonian put Mongolia in Southern Asia . I fixed that, plus a few other oddities, in my view:
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
Hi Lars,
India:
I think there's a good case for adding Sind as a predecessor but I realise the stamps are rare and expensive.
I would also add the following feudatory states:
- Dungarpur stamps issued 1933-1946, in use until 1948.
- Shahpura stamps issued 1914-1947, in use until 1948.
I suggest either splitting Indore into Holkar and Indore to reflect the change of name on the stamps or just rename it as Indore (Holkar).
- Jammu & Kashmir
I suggest keeping Kashmir with the other stamps, i.e. alphabetically with Jammu.
I'm not sure you need both of the Jammu & Kashmir categories. Perhaps just combine the dates.
- Travancore
I would remove "Anchel" from the name. It just means post (or post office).
Nepal:
I would split Nepal into Kingdom and Republic.
Pakistan:
I would add as a predecessor the Indian feudatory state of Las Bela.
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
"India:
I think there's a good case for adding Sind as a predecessor but I realise the stamps are rare and expensive."
"
I would also add the following feudatory states:
- Dungarpur stamps issued 1933-1946, in use until 1948.
- Shahpura stamps issued 1914-1947, in use until 1948."
"I suggest either splitting Indore into Holkar and Indore to reflect the change of name on the stamps or just rename it as Indore (Holkar)."
"I suggest keeping Kashmir with the other stamps, i.e. alphabetically with Jammu.
I'm not sure you need both of the Jammu & Kashmir categories. Perhaps just combine the dates.
"
"Travancore
I would remove "Anchel" from the name. It just means post (or post office)."
"Nepal:
I would split Nepal into Kingdom and Republic."
"Pakistan:
I would add as a predecessor the Indian feudatory state of Las Bela."
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
One note I forgot to add regarding Korea. I thought it was interesting that Smithsonian carved out a slot for the US Administration of South Korea (1946-1948 - Scott #55-79) but not the Soviet Occupation of North Korea during that same time (Scott #1-13).
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
Hi Lars,
A few follow-up comments first on India:
India:
Oops, I'd forgotten that Sind is now in Pakistan. Thanks!
I don't believe that the state of Jammu and Kashmir ever separated politically so whether you keep the Kashmir issues with the others is just a matter of preference.
Cambodia:
Indo-China is a predecessor but if I had to choose I would have included it as a predecessor to Vietnam instead.
Cambodia was added to French Indo-China and then later removed again.
East Timor:
I would move Portuguese Timor from the Indonesia section to be a predecessor here.
East Timor has the same territory as the Portuguese colony.
You may wish to add UNTAET for the first modern East Timor stamps when under UN administration.
Indonesia:
I suggest adding Riau-Lingga as a predecessor (or include it in the Local section).
Another possibility is the South Moluccas for the 1950 overprint set.
Malaysia:
I would suggest adding three more predecessors:
- The Malaysian Postal Union issued postage dues for use across Malaya for many years.
- British Military Administration issued stamps for use across Malaya after the war before the creation of the Malayan Federation.
- Federal Territories (Kuala Lumpur, Putrajaya and Labuan) now have low value definitives in the same designs as the individual states.
I also suggest splitting two of the states by period to reflect the changes in form of government:
North Borneo
- North Borneo Company
- British Colony
Sarawak
- Brooke Rajas
- British Colony
- State of Malaysia
Philippines:
You may wish to add as a predecessor the Filipino Revolutionary Government (KKK) issues of 1898-89.
Thailand:
I suggest removing Bangkok to the BOB section assuming this is for the British Post Office issues.
However, I would suggest adding Siam as a predecessor in its place.
Vietnam:
You may wish to consider listing as predecessors the North Vietnam issues for both Tongking and Central Annam.
These were in use before the general North Vietnam issues.
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
Nigel,
I only have time to address a few things before calling it a night:
"Cambodia:
Indo-China is a predecessor but if I had to choose I would have included it as a predecessor to Vietnam instead.
Cambodia was added to French Indo-China and then later removed again."
"Vietnam:
You may wish to consider listing as predecessors the North Vietnam issues for both Tongking and Central Annam.
These were in use before the general North Vietnam issues."
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
Hi Lars,
"So I have no problem making changes and adding things, but what you are describing sounds suspiciously like local stamps from a fledgling uprising. I would need more info to include those. "
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
I still have several items in Southeast Asia that Nigel brought up, but the last sections of Europe, Africa, and Oceania have already been posted so I want to at least get started on Western Asia.
Western Asia Part 1:
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
Transcaucasia was a predecessor for Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia, but its capital was Tbilisi/Tiflis, so maybe Georgia is more appropriate as a home for that stamp?
Also, Batum was a predecessor for Georgia.
Abkhazia and Artsakh might count as locals. I am not sure if South Ossetian stamps have actually been used, but might be worth looking into.
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
"Transcaucasia was a predecessor for Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia, but its capital was Tbilisi/Tiflis, so maybe Georgia is more appropriate as a home for that stamp?"
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
Hi Lars,
I have a few comments on the new pages:
Iran:
The predecessor marked as "Republic" should be "Monarchy" or something similar.
Israel:
Is the Palestine Authority going to appear in this section as a separate item?
Kuwait:
You may wish to splitting the protectorate into periods for Indian and British postal administration as with Bahrain.
Kyrgyzstan:
The country has two official UPU postal operators which is very unusual although I expect that the three operators in Bosnia and Herzegovina and the two in Andorra follow into the same category.
You may possibly wish to represent this with a Kyrgyz Express Post stamp although it doesn't reflect a political change.
Oman:
I suggest adding another predecessor for the Indian Postal Administration which is called Muscat in the SG catalogues and renaming the Muscat category here to British Postal Administration which is called British Postal Agencies in Eastern Arabia in the SG catalogues.
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
I have printed off all of the past comments and I will start addressing all unanswered ones, but let me take your first two recent comments real quick:
1. Yes, Iran prior should be Monarchy. Typo (mine). Smithsonian only had one spot for Iran!
2. Palestinian Authority: That's a good point, but I don't know how to treat this. My first instinct is to add it to the International Organizations section until the State of Palestine is recognized internationally. However, there definitely needs to be a PA stamp SOMEWHERE!
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
Greaden,
I still owe you an answer:
"Abkhazia and Artsakh might count as locals. I am not sure if South Ossetian stamps have actually been used, but might be worth looking into."
"Kuwait:
You may wish to splitting the protectorate into periods for Indian and British postal administration as with Bahrain."
"Kyrgyzstan:
The country has two official UPU postal operators which is very unusual although I expect that the three operators in Bosnia and Herzegovina and the two in Andorra follow into the same category.
You may possibly wish to represent this with a Kyrgyz Express Post stamp although it doesn't reflect a political change."
"Oman:
I suggest adding another predecessor for the Indian Postal Administration which is called Muscat in the SG catalogues and renaming the Muscat category here to British Postal Administration which is called British Postal Agencies in Eastern Arabia in the SG catalogues."
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
Hi Lars,
Indian Princely States:
Kotah (Kota) and Tonk were neighbouring princely states in Rajasthan.
Both were "17-gun" salute states so were significant states politically.
Here's a map from the 1909 Imperial Gazetteer of India (and copied from Wikipedia):
The state of Tonk consisted of several discrete areas. Tonk city is shown at the top in the centre and other areas are scattered all around Kotah.
There are lots of other stamp-issuing states in this map: Bundi, Jhalawar, Gwalior and many more.
Both Kotah and Tonk stamps are rare and neither state has been listed yet in the SG Part 1 catalogue.
I believe the two most recent states to be added to SG's catalogue were Dungarpur and Shahpura.
Both of these are shown on this map too.
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
I am sure this has been addressed multiple times, but I didn't see it in my scan of the threads. Once all the shakeouts are finished are you going to make this available to download ? I have the Smithsonian one and actually use a different page format but would love it as a simple checklist ! What you guys are doing is fantastic !
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
"Once all the shakeouts are finished are you going to make this available to download?"
"What you guys are doing is fantastic!"
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
Thanks, looking forward to seeing it all put together. I have jumped into the deep end of the pool and am now working on Military and Occupation stamps. My sorta boundary I guess is that it was issued by a specific entity for use in a specific geographic area. ( which then opens an entire other can of worms with such items as the Mirdita stamps since they were intended to be used allegedly. ) I will have to post my page for Austria. It has come out nice, but I completely relate to the mention of labor intensive. Hence, why I appreciate so much these threads and the project ! The understanding of the history is fascinating to me !
Will post a few of my pages in the next day or two to get your opinion.
re: A stamp for every country (Asia)
"Will post a few of my pages in the next day or two to get your opinion."