Why are you watermarking these images? (For example, the RFD image is not yours but rather comes from the Library and Archive of Canada.) It would be more useful to attribute/link the image sources.
Don
51Studebaker
Not sure what your issue is
Of course the images are NOT MINE - I did not take them in 1940 or before
As for the watermark it is automatically put on from my image server and it would be a lot of trouble to individually remove it from certain images to please certain people who look for certain minor issues.
I had hoped these would be of interest and not a source of complaint.
Note that PMs are a good place to report complaints - try it, it works
"51Studebaker
Not sure what your issue is
Of course the images are NOT MINE - I did not take them in 1940 or before
As for the watermark it is automatically put on from my image server and it would be a lot of trouble to individually remove it from certain images to please certain people who look for certain minor issues.
I had hoped these would be of interest and not a source of complaint.
Note that PMs are a good place to report complaints - try it, it works"
You might want to google the pluses, minuses, legalities and meaning of automatically watermarking every image whether owned by you or others. I will leave it at that, ethics aside.
"51Studebaker
Not sure what your issue is
Of course the images are NOT MINE - I did not take them in 1940 or before
As for the watermark it is automatically put on from my image server and it would be a lot of trouble to individually remove it from certain images to please certain people who look for certain minor issues.
I had hoped these would be of interest and not a source of complaint.
Note that PMs are a good place to report complaints - try it, it works"
Thank you for clarifying your thoughts
1. 'but clearly your threads contain a large amount of content from other websites.'
I have 20 posts on this site (easily verified) and only one the Japan Classics and a couple on the forgeries have images and they are MINE
SO this allegation is nothing more than a total fabrication
2. On SCF (quite frankly Stamporama is not the place to air other forum issues)
I had a problem with my site host who made changes and some image folders were lost
I sent 3 emails 2 by the forum mail and a direct to moderator email - NO ANSWERS
Instead of crying "VICTIM", allowing me access to edit my posts would have solved the problem in minutes.
Solution for the future - Start allowing Edits
3. As for the post in question
Perhaps the images I posted should not have been watermarked (as the image server automatically put them on) BUT anyone taking the time would have noticed that the images WERE attributed. The post heading clearly states "Canada Post Site Images"
Again - bringing issues from another forum has NO PLACE HERE. I see you have blocked me on the other forum - great way for a moderator to fix the problem - Thank You, now I need not concern myself with trying to fix any issues
BUT I for one want to discuss and learn about stamps and postal history - so.....
Moderator hat on:
Time to end this discussion and the personal comments against fellow members. You can debate image attribution but leave the personal attacks out including other forum activity.
I really don't understand what just happened here to really piss someone off. What was wrong with the images and what should have been done instead. Myself and a couple friends are in the process of writing a book and we know that every source and every photo used has to be fully cited. What exactly, in terms anyone can understand, was done wrong here. That way I would not make the same mistake later. I'm not being a smart ass - I really don't understand unless he should have fully cited each photo telling where it was taken from. Was that the problem?
Not following this either. What exactly was the infraction here? 'Watermarks" on photos?
Not all of us have a grasp on technical stuff. It'd be helpful if we knew..
"Angore -Time to end this discussion and the personal comments against fellow members. You can debate image attribution but leave the personal attacks out including other forum activity."
For the couple of folks (Harvey and Snick) who asked about watermarks. They are usually text or a logo embeddeded as a separate layer in an image to prevent the unauthorized use of the image. You see lots of them on the net especially when someone is actually selling the images. They are quite easy to make using various software.
Here is an example part of my 3.5 L
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I know what it means to watermark images now - I've seen it before. But I can't find any on the original images. On one there looks like a fingerprint but I don't see it on the others. And I still don't really understand the huge fuss. The guy showed a few images on line. That can be a problem but he appeared to source them to the Canada Post site. If someone wants to share an interesting image, I really don't understand the fuss. I am writing a book that will contain several photos that I need to give credit for their source, so I know the procedure - it seemed to be followed here. I'm sorry if I'm insulting someone, and if you want to criticize me please do so, but this seems like an over reaction.
The images in the original post did have a watermark, but as a result of the fuss images were reposted without them which is why you do not see them. As for the reaction ... nothing surprises me on the internet anymore ... &
"...but this seems like an over reaction"
"...nothing surprises me on the internet anymore."
I'm not directing these comments to anyone in particular. Just pointing out the opportunity here to help members better understand some of the intellectual property rights issues we all encounter from time to time.
As an author and creator of original prints, I'm probably more sensitive than most when it comes to intellectual property rights. Most authors are working with publishers who insist on their authors getting permission to use the work of others and then attribute that work appropriately. On the internet, too many people are either lazy or think if it's online, it must be public domain. I get tired of people using my work without permission or even attribution. Many are just clueless when it comes to using the work of others and that's understandable. Sometimes, it can be difficult to determine the status of works online and sometimes there are gray areas. I appreciate authors and others who take the time to contact me for permission to use of my work.
In my experience, lack of knowledge or misunderstandings are commonplace and are usually easily resolved. It is those few who claim to know the law and insist they have the right to use the work of others without permission because the work is online. The worst offenders are those who not only use the work of others, but knowingly and openly claim it as their own work. It doesn't happen often fortunately.
This thread seems to have been a simple case of not realizing the significance of the watermarks or not noticing they were even there. Not a big deal in this case, but worthwhile if it helps a few members better understand the need to know what is and what is not a protected work and how to deal with it in either case. Getting permission or taking the time to attribute the work of others and sources can be a pain, but it's the appropriate thing to do. It's also beneficial for researchers who may want to follow up on the origins of an image or piece of information via the attribution information. Many of us here are researchers. Attribution can save others a lot of time in their own research.
Tom
As for re-posting images from the Internet, it is impossible to put the genie back in the bottle. Owners of intellectual property need to protect themselves as well since it is so pervasive most think it is normal giving the "share" mentality.
Even magazines that make copyright notices do not give attribution to images and even if this forum required everyone to state copyright ownership it would not solve anything. Unfortunatey it is the nature of the beast whether we like it or not.
I had posted images I had taken at a stamp show to a forum and they ended up getting printed in two stamp magazines and I do not subscribe to many publications. One gave the forum credit by citing the forum and they other did not. I had put a faint watermark in the corner and they did not remove it but not sure they noticed it.
"Even magazines that make copyright notices do not give attribution to images and even if this forum required everyone to state copyright ownership it would not solve anything."
"If they buy the picture then they own it and there may be no need to attribute."
After reading every response in this thread and finally understanding what was going on I have come to the conclusion that I am not intelligent enough to understand what is intellectual property and how it can or cannot be used!!!
The dictionary definition of "intellectual property" is a work or invention that is the result of creativity, such as a manuscript or a design, to which one has rights and for which one may apply for a patent, copyright, trademark, etc.
"... to understand what is intellectual property and how it can or cannot be used ..."
Is my avatar subject to copyright? If it is, should I remove it and take a picture of an emu and use that?
'
https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/four-factors/ ... an interesting elucidation of, shall we call them, The Four Questions:
"The four factors judges consider are:
- the purpose and character of your use
- the nature of the copyrighted work
- the amount and substantiality of the portion taken, and
- the effect of the use upon the potential market."
"Is my avatar subject to copyright? If it is, should I remove it and take a picture of an emu and use that?"
The following discussion was removed from a thread as it has spawned a discussion on its own. Please remain on-topic to maintain continuity of the discussions.
Also, keep the discussions civil.
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
Why are you watermarking these images? (For example, the RFD image is not yours but rather comes from the Library and Archive of Canada.) It would be more useful to attribute/link the image sources.
Don
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
51Studebaker
Not sure what your issue is
Of course the images are NOT MINE - I did not take them in 1940 or before
As for the watermark it is automatically put on from my image server and it would be a lot of trouble to individually remove it from certain images to please certain people who look for certain minor issues.
I had hoped these would be of interest and not a source of complaint.
Note that PMs are a good place to report complaints - try it, it works
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
"51Studebaker
Not sure what your issue is
Of course the images are NOT MINE - I did not take them in 1940 or before
As for the watermark it is automatically put on from my image server and it would be a lot of trouble to individually remove it from certain images to please certain people who look for certain minor issues.
I had hoped these would be of interest and not a source of complaint.
Note that PMs are a good place to report complaints - try it, it works"
You might want to google the pluses, minuses, legalities and meaning of automatically watermarking every image whether owned by you or others. I will leave it at that, ethics aside.
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
"51Studebaker
Not sure what your issue is
Of course the images are NOT MINE - I did not take them in 1940 or before
As for the watermark it is automatically put on from my image server and it would be a lot of trouble to individually remove it from certain images to please certain people who look for certain minor issues.
I had hoped these would be of interest and not a source of complaint.
Note that PMs are a good place to report complaints - try it, it works"
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
Thank you for clarifying your thoughts
1. 'but clearly your threads contain a large amount of content from other websites.'
I have 20 posts on this site (easily verified) and only one the Japan Classics and a couple on the forgeries have images and they are MINE
SO this allegation is nothing more than a total fabrication
2. On SCF (quite frankly Stamporama is not the place to air other forum issues)
I had a problem with my site host who made changes and some image folders were lost
I sent 3 emails 2 by the forum mail and a direct to moderator email - NO ANSWERS
Instead of crying "VICTIM", allowing me access to edit my posts would have solved the problem in minutes.
Solution for the future - Start allowing Edits
3. As for the post in question
Perhaps the images I posted should not have been watermarked (as the image server automatically put them on) BUT anyone taking the time would have noticed that the images WERE attributed. The post heading clearly states "Canada Post Site Images"
Again - bringing issues from another forum has NO PLACE HERE. I see you have blocked me on the other forum - great way for a moderator to fix the problem - Thank You, now I need not concern myself with trying to fix any issues
BUT I for one want to discuss and learn about stamps and postal history - so.....
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
Moderator hat on:
Time to end this discussion and the personal comments against fellow members. You can debate image attribution but leave the personal attacks out including other forum activity.
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
I really don't understand what just happened here to really piss someone off. What was wrong with the images and what should have been done instead. Myself and a couple friends are in the process of writing a book and we know that every source and every photo used has to be fully cited. What exactly, in terms anyone can understand, was done wrong here. That way I would not make the same mistake later. I'm not being a smart ass - I really don't understand unless he should have fully cited each photo telling where it was taken from. Was that the problem?
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
Not following this either. What exactly was the infraction here? 'Watermarks" on photos?
Not all of us have a grasp on technical stuff. It'd be helpful if we knew..
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
"Angore -Time to end this discussion and the personal comments against fellow members. You can debate image attribution but leave the personal attacks out including other forum activity."
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
For the couple of folks (Harvey and Snick) who asked about watermarks. They are usually text or a logo embeddeded as a separate layer in an image to prevent the unauthorized use of the image. You see lots of them on the net especially when someone is actually selling the images. They are quite easy to make using various software.
Here is an example part of my 3.5 L
-
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
I know what it means to watermark images now - I've seen it before. But I can't find any on the original images. On one there looks like a fingerprint but I don't see it on the others. And I still don't really understand the huge fuss. The guy showed a few images on line. That can be a problem but he appeared to source them to the Canada Post site. If someone wants to share an interesting image, I really don't understand the fuss. I am writing a book that will contain several photos that I need to give credit for their source, so I know the procedure - it seemed to be followed here. I'm sorry if I'm insulting someone, and if you want to criticize me please do so, but this seems like an over reaction.
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
The images in the original post did have a watermark, but as a result of the fuss images were reposted without them which is why you do not see them. As for the reaction ... nothing surprises me on the internet anymore ... &
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
"...but this seems like an over reaction"
"...nothing surprises me on the internet anymore."
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
I'm not directing these comments to anyone in particular. Just pointing out the opportunity here to help members better understand some of the intellectual property rights issues we all encounter from time to time.
As an author and creator of original prints, I'm probably more sensitive than most when it comes to intellectual property rights. Most authors are working with publishers who insist on their authors getting permission to use the work of others and then attribute that work appropriately. On the internet, too many people are either lazy or think if it's online, it must be public domain. I get tired of people using my work without permission or even attribution. Many are just clueless when it comes to using the work of others and that's understandable. Sometimes, it can be difficult to determine the status of works online and sometimes there are gray areas. I appreciate authors and others who take the time to contact me for permission to use of my work.
In my experience, lack of knowledge or misunderstandings are commonplace and are usually easily resolved. It is those few who claim to know the law and insist they have the right to use the work of others without permission because the work is online. The worst offenders are those who not only use the work of others, but knowingly and openly claim it as their own work. It doesn't happen often fortunately.
This thread seems to have been a simple case of not realizing the significance of the watermarks or not noticing they were even there. Not a big deal in this case, but worthwhile if it helps a few members better understand the need to know what is and what is not a protected work and how to deal with it in either case. Getting permission or taking the time to attribute the work of others and sources can be a pain, but it's the appropriate thing to do. It's also beneficial for researchers who may want to follow up on the origins of an image or piece of information via the attribution information. Many of us here are researchers. Attribution can save others a lot of time in their own research.
Tom
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
As for re-posting images from the Internet, it is impossible to put the genie back in the bottle. Owners of intellectual property need to protect themselves as well since it is so pervasive most think it is normal giving the "share" mentality.
Even magazines that make copyright notices do not give attribution to images and even if this forum required everyone to state copyright ownership it would not solve anything. Unfortunatey it is the nature of the beast whether we like it or not.
I had posted images I had taken at a stamp show to a forum and they ended up getting printed in two stamp magazines and I do not subscribe to many publications. One gave the forum credit by citing the forum and they other did not. I had put a faint watermark in the corner and they did not remove it but not sure they noticed it.
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
"Even magazines that make copyright notices do not give attribution to images and even if this forum required everyone to state copyright ownership it would not solve anything."
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
"If they buy the picture then they own it and there may be no need to attribute."
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
After reading every response in this thread and finally understanding what was going on I have come to the conclusion that I am not intelligent enough to understand what is intellectual property and how it can or cannot be used!!!
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
The dictionary definition of "intellectual property" is a work or invention that is the result of creativity, such as a manuscript or a design, to which one has rights and for which one may apply for a patent, copyright, trademark, etc.
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
"... to understand what is intellectual property and how it can or cannot be used ..."
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
Is my avatar subject to copyright? If it is, should I remove it and take a picture of an emu and use that?
re: Using Copyrighted Material Found Online
'
https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/four-factors/ ... an interesting elucidation of, shall we call them, The Four Questions:
"The four factors judges consider are:
- the purpose and character of your use
- the nature of the copyrighted work
- the amount and substantiality of the portion taken, and
- the effect of the use upon the potential market."
"Is my avatar subject to copyright? If it is, should I remove it and take a picture of an emu and use that?"