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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Correct Description of Stamps

 

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mbo1142
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28 Jul 2019
03:43:54pm

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I have a number of UN complete panes that are original gum, no hinges, but have a nice bulls eye First Day Cancel in the center of each set of 4 stamps in the pane.

My question is, how would you describe the panes for sale and how would you value them? There is a cat value for MNH and used. Are the panes considered used or are they CTO or what?

Thanks for any advice.
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musicman
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28 Jul 2019
03:45:55pm
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I would definitely consider them CTO's.

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28 Jul 2019
04:26:33pm

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I agree, they should be CTO, but how do you value full panes in other wise mint condition?

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28 Jul 2019
11:05:03pm
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They are not mint, since they are canceled. With the first day cancel on the stamps, and since the UN is not a popular area, I would value them at 50% of used catalog value, and then apply whatever price reduction you use. The retail price would be very low. That's what I would do.

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jkc1999

29 Jul 2019
06:59:03am
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My local stamp store with a large presence of Ebay has been trying to sell a huge box lot of UN issues. Year sets, mini sheets, etc. It has been listed at $9.95 for over a month--just checked now and the listing either expired or he finally sold it. He says it's almost impossible to sell them. In my last order from JohnnyStamp here on stamporama, he included 2 as a bonus/thank you.

For more popular countries, such as Greenland, the mini sheets have the same value mint or used. For UN, not so much. If you're hoping to sell them, good luck.

Jackie

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29 Jul 2019
08:17:13am

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Thank you Michael and Jackie, just the information I was looking for. I have 41 of them all nicely contained on Safe album pages just made for them.

Guess I will keep and give away as a bonus as suggested.

Again thanks for the information.

Mel

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29 Jul 2019
11:38:27am
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" .... how would you value them? ...."

I think I'd put a few in the auction, starting bid $0.50
To test the waters.
If they sell, add more, if not cut the price.
Probably, Someone having conceded that postally used UN
is difficult, almost futile, to find and mint are often
too expensive for such unnecessary limited usage issues.

But I am sure we have at least one member who will look
at them and decide that they are just what is needed

to fill in blank spaces in his, or her, album.


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Harvey

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29 Jul 2019
12:47:02pm
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I collect UN because my Liberty Album shows them - I find them very boring and even though I'm only missing five minor stamps up to 1989 I rarely look at them. I bought a lot on E-bay a few months ago to almost finish the collection and they had a lot of 100 FDC's that I didn't want. This was before I joined SOR so I tried to give them to my regular stamp dealer. He didn't want them but took them to the local stamp club for the kids to soak. If I had it to do over I probably would have removed the UN pages from the album. I look through my US album frequently and really like all the BOB stuff, but the UN stamps leave me cold! There's a few attractive stamps, but most just look the same to me.

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Tom in Exton, PA

06 Aug 2019
09:24:05am

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Interesting. I remember UN issues being popular when I collected back in the 1970s. I agree with Harvey, I never found any interest in them myself. I do remember a New York dealer or two that would do their mailings at the UN.

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17 Aug 2019
09:50:42am
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Interesting. Dianne had an extensive collection of UN. I was going to continue her collection but the sales were not there for me to do this. Being new and overwhelmed I only kept their newsletter for about a year then dropped or was dropped from the mailing list. I don't find the stamps boring, just interesting.

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19 Aug 2019
10:44:55pm
re: Correct Description of Stamps

" .... I do remember a New York dealer or
two that would do their mailings at the UN. ...."


The UN and its mailing station is just brisk
lunchtime walk (*) from the Stamp Building on
Nassau Street Up to the mid 1960s there were dozens
of stamp shops in the building or along the street,
so it was convenient enough to drop off mail to
customers, especially if the blocks or panes came
from a dismembered collection and thus were almost
free, as the collection had been evaluated for
other items, not the UN material.
So a used block with a squarely centered NY UN
cancellation may certainly be postally used,
or at worst a philatelic cancel.
Note:: A brisk walk when I was a tad younger.

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mbo1142

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
28 Jul 2019
03:43:54pm

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I have a number of UN complete panes that are original gum, no hinges, but have a nice bulls eye First Day Cancel in the center of each set of 4 stamps in the pane.

My question is, how would you describe the panes for sale and how would you value them? There is a cat value for MNH and used. Are the panes considered used or are they CTO or what?

Thanks for any advice.

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musicman

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28 Jul 2019
03:45:55pm

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I would definitely consider them CTO's.

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28 Jul 2019
04:26:33pm

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I agree, they should be CTO, but how do you value full panes in other wise mint condition?

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michael78651

28 Jul 2019
11:05:03pm

re: Correct Description of Stamps

They are not mint, since they are canceled. With the first day cancel on the stamps, and since the UN is not a popular area, I would value them at 50% of used catalog value, and then apply whatever price reduction you use. The retail price would be very low. That's what I would do.

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jkc1999

29 Jul 2019
06:59:03am

re: Correct Description of Stamps

My local stamp store with a large presence of Ebay has been trying to sell a huge box lot of UN issues. Year sets, mini sheets, etc. It has been listed at $9.95 for over a month--just checked now and the listing either expired or he finally sold it. He says it's almost impossible to sell them. In my last order from JohnnyStamp here on stamporama, he included 2 as a bonus/thank you.

For more popular countries, such as Greenland, the mini sheets have the same value mint or used. For UN, not so much. If you're hoping to sell them, good luck.

Jackie

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mbo1142

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29 Jul 2019
08:17:13am

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re: Correct Description of Stamps

Thank you Michael and Jackie, just the information I was looking for. I have 41 of them all nicely contained on Safe album pages just made for them.

Guess I will keep and give away as a bonus as suggested.

Again thanks for the information.

Mel

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
29 Jul 2019
11:38:27am

re: Correct Description of Stamps

" .... how would you value them? ...."

I think I'd put a few in the auction, starting bid $0.50
To test the waters.
If they sell, add more, if not cut the price.
Probably, Someone having conceded that postally used UN
is difficult, almost futile, to find and mint are often
too expensive for such unnecessary limited usage issues.

But I am sure we have at least one member who will look
at them and decide that they are just what is needed

to fill in blank spaces in his, or her, album.


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".... You may think you understood what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you think you heard is not what I thought I meant. .... "
Harvey

I think, therefore I am - I think!

29 Jul 2019
12:47:02pm

re: Correct Description of Stamps

I collect UN because my Liberty Album shows them - I find them very boring and even though I'm only missing five minor stamps up to 1989 I rarely look at them. I bought a lot on E-bay a few months ago to almost finish the collection and they had a lot of 100 FDC's that I didn't want. This was before I joined SOR so I tried to give them to my regular stamp dealer. He didn't want them but took them to the local stamp club for the kids to soak. If I had it to do over I probably would have removed the UN pages from the album. I look through my US album frequently and really like all the BOB stuff, but the UN stamps leave me cold! There's a few attractive stamps, but most just look the same to me.

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Tom in Exton, PA
06 Aug 2019
09:24:05am

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re: Correct Description of Stamps

Interesting. I remember UN issues being popular when I collected back in the 1970s. I agree with Harvey, I never found any interest in them myself. I do remember a New York dealer or two that would do their mailings at the UN.

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purrfin2

17 Aug 2019
09:50:42am

re: Correct Description of Stamps

Interesting. Dianne had an extensive collection of UN. I was going to continue her collection but the sales were not there for me to do this. Being new and overwhelmed I only kept their newsletter for about a year then dropped or was dropped from the mailing list. I don't find the stamps boring, just interesting.

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"Appreciate the beauty of nature. You never know when life will deal you an unplanned twist of fate. Enjoy things while you can, because you just never know."

Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
19 Aug 2019
10:44:55pm

re: Correct Description of Stamps

" .... I do remember a New York dealer or
two that would do their mailings at the UN. ...."


The UN and its mailing station is just brisk
lunchtime walk (*) from the Stamp Building on
Nassau Street Up to the mid 1960s there were dozens
of stamp shops in the building or along the street,
so it was convenient enough to drop off mail to
customers, especially if the blocks or panes came
from a dismembered collection and thus were almost
free, as the collection had been evaluated for
other items, not the UN material.
So a used block with a squarely centered NY UN
cancellation may certainly be postally used,
or at worst a philatelic cancel.
Note:: A brisk walk when I was a tad younger.

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".... You may think you understood what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you think you heard is not what I thought I meant. .... "
        

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