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I found this stamp whilst sorting through approx. 270 used copies of this stamp.
I have done three scans, to enhance the detail.
It was unmissable, because of what looks like over inking.
It is definitely not dirt, and it also affects part of the inner and outer rim of the portrait frame of George VI.
It extends from the bottom half of the right wattle into the frame around George VI
It is not caused by the postmark, as this is in the bottom left hand corner.
I have examined it with a 10X lens and also a microscope,
All opinions respected.
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Horamakhet
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Looks to me more like a partial cancel that was smudged.
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I agree with Michael on this -
if you blow it up further, I believe you will find it is from cancellation ink
and not printing ink.
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Hi to all
The cancellation is in the bottom left hand corner.
I examined it with a stereo microscope, and a 10X jewellers loupe, and the smudge is brown, not black, so I don't think it is a cancellation smudge.
I zoomed in by 60X and there is definitely no black cancel in the corner. I also have now looked at it with a 20X Jewellers loop as well, same result, no evidence of a black cancel.
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Horamakhet
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Hi Horamakhet
I was about to say that the smudge should either be black or black-grey if it was a cancellation mark, but you beat me to it. Your stamp is caused by smudging, and from the brown ink of the stamp this smudging is also seen on the wattle leaves and flowers.
As the inking process during that time had a tendency to bleed, problems such as the 2½d stamp shown below can occur. Soaking in water can also make the ink bleed, and further smudging over time.
This example of over-inking, a more excessive form, shows that over-inking, or the ink smudging will have the same ink consistency as of the ink used in the stamp making process, which is also seen with your stamp.
Rob
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Always possible that it was ink on the cancellers hand that caught the stamp as it was franked.
Edit to add that in the time it took me to type the above, Rob had replied with the explanation.
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Hi Rob and all others
Probably Rob's explanation clears it up.
Thank you all for you suggestions re the smudge, it is great how everyone here tries to help each other.
Thanks Rob, I will add it to my curiosity section.
I love the example that you have shown Rob, wish I could find items like that.
I am still sorting the 4500 used stamps that I bought, and it was among them.
Also I was lucky to find some unused copies as well in the accumulation.
Now I am sorting the penny & half Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, ACSC 226.
Gibbons lists the Queen Mother stamp ass 46a, but they also list 46aw, which has an inverted watermark.
Have I missed something, as I did not see the missing watermark variety listed in the ACSC George VI volume.
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Horamakhet
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Hi Horamakhet
I have a stamp for just about every occasion. The inverted watermark was not part of the official release, as the stamp without the inverted watermark was issued on December 1, 1942, it coincides with the Note Printing Branch theft of the 1940s, and it is most likely that the inverted watermark was part of that theft.
It would fit nicely into any album (I have a couple of NPB stamps). The SG 46a green 1½d stamp has a coil perforation, this perforation is normally used for a vending machine as a normal perforation would tear; both the coil and inverted watermark is scarce.
A coil stamp is best observed by obtaining a vertical pair or a block of 4.
I currently do not have the coil stamp or the inverted watermark (still have a few gaps in my collection), hopefully soon most of that will be remedied.
I am missing one of the shades for the 1½d Elizabeth stamp, and that is the Deep Yellow-Green, and of course there will be a few unlisted shades, these unlisted varieties make the set of shades (any set for that matter) more interesting.
Rob
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Australian stamps have a bit of a history of random ink splodges!
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Hi Dave
Those early years had more than their fair share of blotches. The blue Nellie Melba stamp flaw will be scarce as the more recent the stamp the harder to find any over-inking.
Rob
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Hi Dave
Now I will have to recheck all my Nellie Melba stamps.
I have not even started to categorize QEII stamps yet.
Horamakhet
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Don't forget to look for the missing bottom frame flaw
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There are also 3 different shades and 2 paper types, and an 8mm weak entry to the base from the right corner.
The Deep Bright Blue is on cream paper.
The Bright Blue is on white paper.
The Deep Ultramarine is on cream paper.
Like all pre-decimal stamps, many minor flaws and unlisted shades do exist. With early decimalisation flaws and unlisted shades continued, nowadays, it is a rare occurrence to find major flaws and unlisted shades.
Rob
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Hi to all
I found this stamp whilst sorting through approx. 270 used copies of this stamp.
I have done three scans, to enhance the detail.
It was unmissable, because of what looks like over inking.
It is definitely not dirt, and it also affects part of the inner and outer rim of the portrait frame of George VI.
It extends from the bottom half of the right wattle into the frame around George VI
It is not caused by the postmark, as this is in the bottom left hand corner.
I have examined it with a 10X lens and also a microscope,
All opinions respected.
Regards
Horamakhet
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re: GEORGE VI 3D WATTLE LEAF BROWN, OVER INKING ?
Looks to me more like a partial cancel that was smudged.
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I agree with Michael on this -
if you blow it up further, I believe you will find it is from cancellation ink
and not printing ink.
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re: GEORGE VI 3D WATTLE LEAF BROWN, OVER INKING ?
Hi to all
The cancellation is in the bottom left hand corner.
I examined it with a stereo microscope, and a 10X jewellers loupe, and the smudge is brown, not black, so I don't think it is a cancellation smudge.
I zoomed in by 60X and there is definitely no black cancel in the corner. I also have now looked at it with a 20X Jewellers loop as well, same result, no evidence of a black cancel.
Regards
Horamakhet
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26 Oct 2019
09:31:53pm
re: GEORGE VI 3D WATTLE LEAF BROWN, OVER INKING ?
Hi Horamakhet
I was about to say that the smudge should either be black or black-grey if it was a cancellation mark, but you beat me to it. Your stamp is caused by smudging, and from the brown ink of the stamp this smudging is also seen on the wattle leaves and flowers.
As the inking process during that time had a tendency to bleed, problems such as the 2½d stamp shown below can occur. Soaking in water can also make the ink bleed, and further smudging over time.
This example of over-inking, a more excessive form, shows that over-inking, or the ink smudging will have the same ink consistency as of the ink used in the stamp making process, which is also seen with your stamp.
Rob
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re: GEORGE VI 3D WATTLE LEAF BROWN, OVER INKING ?
Always possible that it was ink on the cancellers hand that caught the stamp as it was franked.
Edit to add that in the time it took me to type the above, Rob had replied with the explanation.
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re: GEORGE VI 3D WATTLE LEAF BROWN, OVER INKING ?
Hi Rob and all others
Probably Rob's explanation clears it up.
Thank you all for you suggestions re the smudge, it is great how everyone here tries to help each other.
Thanks Rob, I will add it to my curiosity section.
I love the example that you have shown Rob, wish I could find items like that.
I am still sorting the 4500 used stamps that I bought, and it was among them.
Also I was lucky to find some unused copies as well in the accumulation.
Now I am sorting the penny & half Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, ACSC 226.
Gibbons lists the Queen Mother stamp ass 46a, but they also list 46aw, which has an inverted watermark.
Have I missed something, as I did not see the missing watermark variety listed in the ACSC George VI volume.
Regards
Horamakhet
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27 Oct 2019
12:23:19am
re: GEORGE VI 3D WATTLE LEAF BROWN, OVER INKING ?
Hi Horamakhet
I have a stamp for just about every occasion. The inverted watermark was not part of the official release, as the stamp without the inverted watermark was issued on December 1, 1942, it coincides with the Note Printing Branch theft of the 1940s, and it is most likely that the inverted watermark was part of that theft.
It would fit nicely into any album (I have a couple of NPB stamps). The SG 46a green 1½d stamp has a coil perforation, this perforation is normally used for a vending machine as a normal perforation would tear; both the coil and inverted watermark is scarce.
A coil stamp is best observed by obtaining a vertical pair or a block of 4.
I currently do not have the coil stamp or the inverted watermark (still have a few gaps in my collection), hopefully soon most of that will be remedied.
I am missing one of the shades for the 1½d Elizabeth stamp, and that is the Deep Yellow-Green, and of course there will be a few unlisted shades, these unlisted varieties make the set of shades (any set for that matter) more interesting.
Rob
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re: GEORGE VI 3D WATTLE LEAF BROWN, OVER INKING ?
Australian stamps have a bit of a history of random ink splodges!
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27 Oct 2019
06:46:29am
re: GEORGE VI 3D WATTLE LEAF BROWN, OVER INKING ?
Hi Dave
Those early years had more than their fair share of blotches. The blue Nellie Melba stamp flaw will be scarce as the more recent the stamp the harder to find any over-inking.
Rob
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re: GEORGE VI 3D WATTLE LEAF BROWN, OVER INKING ?
Hi Dave
Now I will have to recheck all my Nellie Melba stamps.
I have not even started to categorize QEII stamps yet.
Horamakhet
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re: GEORGE VI 3D WATTLE LEAF BROWN, OVER INKING ?
Don't forget to look for the missing bottom frame flaw
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27 Oct 2019
08:22:26pm
re: GEORGE VI 3D WATTLE LEAF BROWN, OVER INKING ?
There are also 3 different shades and 2 paper types, and an 8mm weak entry to the base from the right corner.
The Deep Bright Blue is on cream paper.
The Bright Blue is on white paper.
The Deep Ultramarine is on cream paper.
Like all pre-decimal stamps, many minor flaws and unlisted shades do exist. With early decimalisation flaws and unlisted shades continued, nowadays, it is a rare occurrence to find major flaws and unlisted shades.
Rob
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