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I guess someone would want a stack of a single issue to fly speck for minor varieties. Otherwise, folks in the old days used to stack up their duplicates by the hundreds. Sometimes in glassine envelopes and sometimes in bales of 100 tied with string.
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Back in the late 80's early 90's I purchased a large amount of stamps that had been collected for an animal charity. A great number were ordinary everyday Machins.
This would be a black bin bag each month with thousands of stamps, mostly culled from the BBC and insurance companies in the UK.
Whilst there were many foreign stamps the vast majority were from the UK. These were all brought over to Canada when we emigrated back in 2003 and are still being sorted today.
I have resold bulk loads and donated many to Daves Holocaust project (he is due to get another lot soon).
They have proved useful in sorting varieties, printings, phosphors etc. I recently went through some 2000 or so 1st. Black Machins looking for specific stamps, I did find two that I was needing.
As Tom said many are used for flyspecking and some sellers on sites list them as "bundleware" when no longer needed.
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I buy Australian bundleware for variety-hunting and postmarks. Makes complete sense to me! 
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07:15:01pm
Hundreds ???
I have no doubt that I have over a thousand of
several common Machin issues. I once bought a
forty kilo lot of Machins (One of several multi-kilo
ware lots.) reasonably close cut.
It too time, but I eventually soaked and sorted
them into separate large envelopes by common
easily visible varieties so that I have been
able to go to one envelope at a time to seek
less distinguishable varieties for which a
magnifying glass, a jeweler's loupe or my small
electronic microscope, as well as time are required.
I also have a similar accumulation of Wildings
on hand for when my eyes seem permanently crossed
by the Machins.
Hoarding, yes, I suppose that is the best word.
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I would love to find unpicked bundleware for my specialty which is Ireland. The hunt for varieties, watermarks, color variation, cancels, errors and so much more is fun!
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many specialists build collections of color varieties of early stamps: I've seen this with Germania definitives and Czechoslovakian Hradcany Castle and Chains of Freedom definitives
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I can explain how.
Knowledge coming from bitter experience.
About 4 years ago I bought a killoware of recent UK stamps. Guess what; about 60% of them were the 1st class bee stamp, another 30% were the 2nd class bee stamp.
Now I have enough bees for a bee hive, all I need is a queen to put in there. 
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I understand now. Reasons like colour variations, postmarks, part of kiloware, etc. If I'd thought before I wrote I probably wouldn't have had to write. You guys have me grossly out IQued, if that's a word!
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I've told this story before on Stamporama, but it fits the topic (and many newer members won't have seen my previous post).
In the late 1970s, after rediscovering stamp collecting and buying a Canadian album, I went to a stamp shop in Vancouver to try to find a single commemorative stamp that was missing from one of my album pages. Since I hadn't seen one before, after keeping my eyes open for several weeks, I assumed it was elusive, possibly even rare.
At the stamp shop, I explained what I needed and the owner took me into the shop's back room where shelving covered an entire wall, and shoe boxes filled all of the shelves. He took one down, opened it, handed it to me, and said, "Pick one," or words to that effect. "One" was one of scores of bundles of the stamp I was looking for. That shoebox was filled to the brim with those stamps, all bundled in stacks of 100. I chose one, took it to a counter, unwrapped the bundle, and spread them out, and soon found a VF copy with a tidy SON cancellation. Obviously, it wasn't a rare stamp. I just hadn't happened to come across one before my trip to Vancouver. The lesson is obvious: stamps from the mid-part of the 20th Century, issued for general postal use, are as common as dirt. You just have to look in the right place.
Bob
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"stamps from the mid-part of the 20th Century, issued for general postal use, are as common as dirt."
I tend to hold the same sentiment.
However one would think that with time many stamps will become less and less common. How many floods did we see in recent years? How many house fires? How many times people moved or passed away and their documentation was taken to a landfill or recycled? How many stamps got hinged and were then ripped off the hinges leaving thins on them?
Time is a big factor; climate change is another one and there are many more.
It is close to impossible to know how many stamps are still in existence of each of the older issues. One can only get some sort of a feel by looking at auction sites.
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Jules, I almost hit the thumbs up emoji, but that's exactly the opposite of my reaction to the accuracy of your statement. It is accurate, and with fewer people following in our footsteps, and the likelihood of great ecological negative impact on our really rather delicate wards, our generation, or the next, may find themselves the conservators of a fast-dwindling philatelic universe
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Most things were common as dirt in their time. When i was young I knew an old doctor who was a stamp collector in Newfoundland. He had multiple sheets of just about everything that had been issued. Like more modern collectors he and his father had bought things up in bulk when they were issued. If you wanted one he just tore it or clipped it off a sheet. I doubt he was unique. Time passes ~ things change. Stamps only came into being less than 200 years ago. In a 1000 years someone may speak of that seldom found 2019 forever variant.
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07:51:30pm
Time will tell the tale, and sadly I'll not be here
to read those chapters of what has been a most interesting story.
" .... Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in its petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to a dusty death.
Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more.
It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing. ...."
Macbeth Act V, Scene V
I guess I am feeling sort of morose today
as I just read a scribbled note from a former
shipmate who had decided to no longer struggle
with complex disruptive chemotherapy
and its medications.
A week or two or perhaps, if he is unlucky a month.
Another album closing, a sailor crossing the bar.
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Charlie - Seeing good friends dying of cancer now on a monthly basis. My wife was treated (not much of a treat) for 4 years and I think the cure (not!) is worse than the disease! I have promised myself to refuse treatment if it comes my way and go out with dignity!
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This thread is now “officially” off topic, but at least this comment is germane to recent posts:
My father died of liver cancer several years ago, at age 84. His case was typical — bowel cancer, for which he had surgery, metastasized into liver cancer. He tried chemotherapy but the side effects were intolerable, and he elected to stop taking what was, in effect, a poison. He called his doctor to tell him his decision. The doctor’s warm, empathetic response: “If you do that, you’ll die.” Lord, please save me from doctors like that one!
I am very proud of my dad for facing his destiny so bravely. It was his finest hour. He lived for a few more month, in relative comfort with in-home hospice care. Early one evening there was a knock on the front door. It was a friend from high school whom he had not seen for more than 60 years. They talked until past midnight, then said good-bye. Dad died a few hours later.
One of the best things about being Canadian is that Parliament has recently approved quite liberal euthanasia legislation. As it is currently written, you have to have been diagnosed with a terminal illness to qualify. In other words, “Terminal” depression, uncontrollable chronic pain, and dementia are not sufficient reasons to request euthanasia. However, politicians are taking a lot of heat to liberalize the legislation, and just this week a man with ALS was legally euthanized. (Several years ago, a Vancouver woman with ALS, Sue Rodriguez, petitioned Parliament to be euthanized, but her petition was rejected. The case garnered headlines around the world. A few months later, in the company of a well-known MP, Rodriguez was euthanized by a doctor whose name has never been revealed.) So, there’s hope, in Canada at least.
Bob
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To make it easier to discuss, I often joke with my children
that I want to be treated at least as kindly as they treat their dogs.
I only hope that I have the strength to face the music
when the band begins to play.
What a morbid mess I started. I'm sorry.
Back to pondering quaint and curious volumes of forgotten lore,
Only that and nothing more.
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12:21:19pm
I noticed on today's auctions something I find a bit confusing. There are a few Canadian stamps being sold as huge lots of the same stamp. Someone must have accumulated a huge number of the same stamp and I'm not sure about why a person would do that. If a certain stamp really appeals to me my aim would be to make sure I had a couple really good copies of that stamp - not a hundred copies about the same. Could someone explain to me why someone would collect 100 similar copies of the same stamp? Not that it's really odd, I just don't understand!
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I guess someone would want a stack of a single issue to fly speck for minor varieties. Otherwise, folks in the old days used to stack up their duplicates by the hundreds. Sometimes in glassine envelopes and sometimes in bales of 100 tied with string.
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Back in the late 80's early 90's I purchased a large amount of stamps that had been collected for an animal charity. A great number were ordinary everyday Machins.
This would be a black bin bag each month with thousands of stamps, mostly culled from the BBC and insurance companies in the UK.
Whilst there were many foreign stamps the vast majority were from the UK. These were all brought over to Canada when we emigrated back in 2003 and are still being sorted today.
I have resold bulk loads and donated many to Daves Holocaust project (he is due to get another lot soon).
They have proved useful in sorting varieties, printings, phosphors etc. I recently went through some 2000 or so 1st. Black Machins looking for specific stamps, I did find two that I was needing.
As Tom said many are used for flyspecking and some sellers on sites list them as "bundleware" when no longer needed.
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I buy Australian bundleware for variety-hunting and postmarks. Makes complete sense to me!
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Hundreds ???
I have no doubt that I have over a thousand of
several common Machin issues. I once bought a
forty kilo lot of Machins (One of several multi-kilo
ware lots.) reasonably close cut.
It too time, but I eventually soaked and sorted
them into separate large envelopes by common
easily visible varieties so that I have been
able to go to one envelope at a time to seek
less distinguishable varieties for which a
magnifying glass, a jeweler's loupe or my small
electronic microscope, as well as time are required.
I also have a similar accumulation of Wildings
on hand for when my eyes seem permanently crossed
by the Machins.
Hoarding, yes, I suppose that is the best word.
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I would love to find unpicked bundleware for my specialty which is Ireland. The hunt for varieties, watermarks, color variation, cancels, errors and so much more is fun!
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many specialists build collections of color varieties of early stamps: I've seen this with Germania definitives and Czechoslovakian Hradcany Castle and Chains of Freedom definitives
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I can explain how. Knowledge coming from bitter experience.
About 4 years ago I bought a killoware of recent UK stamps. Guess what; about 60% of them were the 1st class bee stamp, another 30% were the 2nd class bee stamp.
Now I have enough bees for a bee hive, all I need is a queen to put in there.
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I understand now. Reasons like colour variations, postmarks, part of kiloware, etc. If I'd thought before I wrote I probably wouldn't have had to write. You guys have me grossly out IQued, if that's a word!
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I've told this story before on Stamporama, but it fits the topic (and many newer members won't have seen my previous post).
In the late 1970s, after rediscovering stamp collecting and buying a Canadian album, I went to a stamp shop in Vancouver to try to find a single commemorative stamp that was missing from one of my album pages. Since I hadn't seen one before, after keeping my eyes open for several weeks, I assumed it was elusive, possibly even rare.
At the stamp shop, I explained what I needed and the owner took me into the shop's back room where shelving covered an entire wall, and shoe boxes filled all of the shelves. He took one down, opened it, handed it to me, and said, "Pick one," or words to that effect. "One" was one of scores of bundles of the stamp I was looking for. That shoebox was filled to the brim with those stamps, all bundled in stacks of 100. I chose one, took it to a counter, unwrapped the bundle, and spread them out, and soon found a VF copy with a tidy SON cancellation. Obviously, it wasn't a rare stamp. I just hadn't happened to come across one before my trip to Vancouver. The lesson is obvious: stamps from the mid-part of the 20th Century, issued for general postal use, are as common as dirt. You just have to look in the right place.
Bob
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"stamps from the mid-part of the 20th Century, issued for general postal use, are as common as dirt."
I tend to hold the same sentiment.
However one would think that with time many stamps will become less and less common. How many floods did we see in recent years? How many house fires? How many times people moved or passed away and their documentation was taken to a landfill or recycled? How many stamps got hinged and were then ripped off the hinges leaving thins on them?
Time is a big factor; climate change is another one and there are many more.
It is close to impossible to know how many stamps are still in existence of each of the older issues. One can only get some sort of a feel by looking at auction sites.
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Jules, I almost hit the thumbs up emoji, but that's exactly the opposite of my reaction to the accuracy of your statement. It is accurate, and with fewer people following in our footsteps, and the likelihood of great ecological negative impact on our really rather delicate wards, our generation, or the next, may find themselves the conservators of a fast-dwindling philatelic universe
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Most things were common as dirt in their time. When i was young I knew an old doctor who was a stamp collector in Newfoundland. He had multiple sheets of just about everything that had been issued. Like more modern collectors he and his father had bought things up in bulk when they were issued. If you wanted one he just tore it or clipped it off a sheet. I doubt he was unique. Time passes ~ things change. Stamps only came into being less than 200 years ago. In a 1000 years someone may speak of that seldom found 2019 forever variant.
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07 Nov 2019
07:51:30pm
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Time will tell the tale, and sadly I'll not be here
to read those chapters of what has been a most interesting story.
" .... Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in its petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to a dusty death.
Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more.
It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing. ...."
Macbeth Act V, Scene V
I guess I am feeling sort of morose today
as I just read a scribbled note from a former
shipmate who had decided to no longer struggle
with complex disruptive chemotherapy
and its medications.
A week or two or perhaps, if he is unlucky a month.
Another album closing, a sailor crossing the bar.
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Charlie - Seeing good friends dying of cancer now on a monthly basis. My wife was treated (not much of a treat) for 4 years and I think the cure (not!) is worse than the disease! I have promised myself to refuse treatment if it comes my way and go out with dignity!
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This thread is now “officially” off topic, but at least this comment is germane to recent posts:
My father died of liver cancer several years ago, at age 84. His case was typical — bowel cancer, for which he had surgery, metastasized into liver cancer. He tried chemotherapy but the side effects were intolerable, and he elected to stop taking what was, in effect, a poison. He called his doctor to tell him his decision. The doctor’s warm, empathetic response: “If you do that, you’ll die.” Lord, please save me from doctors like that one!
I am very proud of my dad for facing his destiny so bravely. It was his finest hour. He lived for a few more month, in relative comfort with in-home hospice care. Early one evening there was a knock on the front door. It was a friend from high school whom he had not seen for more than 60 years. They talked until past midnight, then said good-bye. Dad died a few hours later.
One of the best things about being Canadian is that Parliament has recently approved quite liberal euthanasia legislation. As it is currently written, you have to have been diagnosed with a terminal illness to qualify. In other words, “Terminal” depression, uncontrollable chronic pain, and dementia are not sufficient reasons to request euthanasia. However, politicians are taking a lot of heat to liberalize the legislation, and just this week a man with ALS was legally euthanized. (Several years ago, a Vancouver woman with ALS, Sue Rodriguez, petitioned Parliament to be euthanized, but her petition was rejected. The case garnered headlines around the world. A few months later, in the company of a well-known MP, Rodriguez was euthanized by a doctor whose name has never been revealed.) So, there’s hope, in Canada at least.
Bob
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08 Nov 2019
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To make it easier to discuss, I often joke with my children
that I want to be treated at least as kindly as they treat their dogs.
I only hope that I have the strength to face the music
when the band begins to play.
What a morbid mess I started. I'm sorry.
Back to pondering quaint and curious volumes of forgotten lore,
Only that and nothing more.
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