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United States/Stamps : 392 guide line pair, identification comments welcome

 

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jrc531

15 Nov 2019
02:48:49pm
Scott's #392, 1¢ Ben Franklin Head
flat plate, perf. 8 1/2 vertically
a hinge is present
"392" hand written in pencil LL
wmk not checked so 343 fake possible
small red line, back, no clue
all comments and/or suggestions
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15 Nov 2019
08:41:39pm
re: 392 guide line pair, identification comments welcome

The transference of the ink on the back of the stamp makes this a flat plate printing. Multiples of imperforate stamps, such as pairs as difficult to do, and are not usually seen. The perforations also do not look new. It is most likely a #392. Verify by checking the watermark.

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nlroberts1961

12,8 cm Kanone 43 L/55 in blueprints only

19 Nov 2019
01:04:36pm
re: 392 guide line pair, identification comments welcome

My reference (Schmid - How to Detect Damaged, Altered, and Repaired Stamps) on fakes of these suggests 383 is the most likely candidate to be reperfed not 343. That being said it does not seem to exhibit any of the obvious tell tales such as fully aligned perfs. According to Schmid the holes should "exhibit consistent raggedness at the top or bottom of the hole". He also remarks 392 should be green or dark green and bogus issues are yellow green. 392 should have uniform spacing of 2.75 mm between the stamps and bogus issues measure approximately 2.0 mm.

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Pogopossum

19 Nov 2019
07:42:29pm
re: 392 guide line pair, identification comments welcome

Coils are out of my bailiwick, but would it be a guide line pair because the perfs don't line up?

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nlroberts1961

12,8 cm Kanone 43 L/55 in blueprints only

19 Nov 2019
07:56:16pm
re: 392 guide line pair, identification comments welcome

Has nothing to do with the perf as i understand. Per Lynn's explanation from Coil development led to collecting specialty Aug 7, 2000 article.

... Consider that the flat sheets of 400 stamps (20 stamps by 20 stamps) that were used to create these coils were printed one at a time on a flatbed press, with the intention of dividing them into panes of 100 stamps each that would be sold at post office windows.

Each sheet of 400 was printed with two thin inked lines: one splitting the large sheet from top to bottom, and another splitting the left and right halves. These guidelines simply showed where the large sheet was to be cut apart before it was sent to the post office for sale.

When the uncut sheets were used to create coil stamps, each strip of 20 stamps would include a bit of the guideline that fell along the perforations directly between the 10th and 11th stamps.

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jrc531

20 Nov 2019
08:44:20am
re: 392 guide line pair, identification comments welcome

I sincerely appreciate all of your kind and generous
comments. Thank you...jrc

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michael78651
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20 Nov 2019
04:57:28pm
re: 392 guide line pair, identification comments welcome

To simplify:

guideline pairs = flat plate printing

joint line pairs = rotary press printing

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jrc531

15 Nov 2019
02:48:49pm

Scott's #392, 1¢ Ben Franklin Head
flat plate, perf. 8 1/2 vertically
a hinge is present
"392" hand written in pencil LL
wmk not checked so 343 fake possible
small red line, back, no clue
all comments and/or suggestions
are welcome
Respectfully submitted:
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michael78651

15 Nov 2019
08:41:39pm

re: 392 guide line pair, identification comments welcome

The transference of the ink on the back of the stamp makes this a flat plate printing. Multiples of imperforate stamps, such as pairs as difficult to do, and are not usually seen. The perforations also do not look new. It is most likely a #392. Verify by checking the watermark.

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nlroberts1961

12,8 cm Kanone 43 L/55 in blueprints only

19 Nov 2019
01:04:36pm

re: 392 guide line pair, identification comments welcome

My reference (Schmid - How to Detect Damaged, Altered, and Repaired Stamps) on fakes of these suggests 383 is the most likely candidate to be reperfed not 343. That being said it does not seem to exhibit any of the obvious tell tales such as fully aligned perfs. According to Schmid the holes should "exhibit consistent raggedness at the top or bottom of the hole". He also remarks 392 should be green or dark green and bogus issues are yellow green. 392 should have uniform spacing of 2.75 mm between the stamps and bogus issues measure approximately 2.0 mm.

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"Euros think a 100 miles is a long way, Americans think a 100 yrs is a long time..."
Pogopossum

19 Nov 2019
07:42:29pm

re: 392 guide line pair, identification comments welcome

Coils are out of my bailiwick, but would it be a guide line pair because the perfs don't line up?

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nlroberts1961

12,8 cm Kanone 43 L/55 in blueprints only

19 Nov 2019
07:56:16pm

re: 392 guide line pair, identification comments welcome

Has nothing to do with the perf as i understand. Per Lynn's explanation from Coil development led to collecting specialty Aug 7, 2000 article.

... Consider that the flat sheets of 400 stamps (20 stamps by 20 stamps) that were used to create these coils were printed one at a time on a flatbed press, with the intention of dividing them into panes of 100 stamps each that would be sold at post office windows.

Each sheet of 400 was printed with two thin inked lines: one splitting the large sheet from top to bottom, and another splitting the left and right halves. These guidelines simply showed where the large sheet was to be cut apart before it was sent to the post office for sale.

When the uncut sheets were used to create coil stamps, each strip of 20 stamps would include a bit of the guideline that fell along the perforations directly between the 10th and 11th stamps.

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"Euros think a 100 miles is a long way, Americans think a 100 yrs is a long time..."
jrc531

20 Nov 2019
08:44:20am

re: 392 guide line pair, identification comments welcome

I sincerely appreciate all of your kind and generous
comments. Thank you...jrc

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michael78651

20 Nov 2019
04:57:28pm

re: 392 guide line pair, identification comments welcome

To simplify:

guideline pairs = flat plate printing

joint line pairs = rotary press printing

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