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I think I am correct, but need someone with more smarts than me to agree or set me straight.
German Occupation of Bohemia and Moravia. My 2011 Scotts indicates there is a #13a "Mahnen", but cannot find in Michel Germany Specialized. What I do find is the statement that 13 II - 16 II, listed in earlier editions are considered printing accidents and have been withdrawn from newer catalogs. My conclusion is that Scott's 13a is no longer a valid stamp and I should disregard as a valid stamp. Although Scott's cat value is $75 used. If there is such a stamp how do you tell the difference between 13 and 13a?
Any help would be appreciated.
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As relates to the overprint:
Scott #13 = "Mahren"
Scott #13a = "Mahnen"
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Thanks Michael
Even as much as I looked, I never could figure out what they were trying to say. Is there some place that tells me what to look for or am I just supposed to figure that out on my own?
Appreciate the help. Anyone have one they want to get rid of?
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I just gave you the answer. Look at the overprint.
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Can anyone tell me what Scott nr 13 (13a) are for the MICHEL catalog.
Maybe I can be of any assistance?
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"Can anyone tell me what Scott nr 13 (13a) are for the MICHEL catalog.
Maybe I can be of any assistance?"
I don´t have a Scott, I believe it is Michel 13 I. "MÄHNEN statt MÄHREN"
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@ mbo1142,
How can you say they are not mentioned in the Michel Special Katalog ???????????
The translation on the Michel catalog :
The Minr 1 I, 2 I, 3 II, 5 I to 11 I, 13 II to 16 II listed in previous catalog editions are no longer applicable because they have turned out to be printing accidents.
So your 13a Scott number is a valid stamp but now to be considered as Nr 13
Simple enough.
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HockeyNut can you translate please,for FALSCH.
In my cat.Michel ed.2011 write the same.
For the no. of catalogues I search in "colnect.com":
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HockyNut,
Look at my original post. That is exactly what I said. Unless I am wrong, Michel does not recognize the 13a like Scott does. I have the 13, in fact the Safe Album pages do not have a space for a 13a only the 13. I have the 2 volume English version of the Michel Germany Specialized. However, as Michael pointed out there are 2 different #13 because of the overprint.
Michael,
I looked at the overprints as you originally said and found the difference. But my question was, is there anything that tells me to look at the different overprints or am I just supposed to figure that out on my own?
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"HockeyNut can you translate please,for FALSCH.
In my cat.Michel ed.2011 write the same.
For the no. of catalogues I search in "colnect.com":"
FALSCH means forged.
There are a lot of forged overprints of the 1st serie of BÖHMEN UND MÄHREN.
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"HockyNut,
Look at my original post. That is exactly what I said. Unless I am wrong, Michel does not recognize the 13a like Scott does. I have the 13, in fact the Safe Album pages do not have a space for a 13a only the 13. I have the 2 volume English version of the Michel Germany Specialized. However, as Michael pointed out there are 2 different #13 because of the overprint.
"
Again :
Your Scott's 13a is 13I in the Michel.
Michel handles the romian "I", "II" etc. for "PLATTENFEHLER" or plate flaws as you call them
Michel handels a,b,c etc. for color variations......
Michel does not recognize 13 II anymore (See my previous post!)
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To me this is a fascinating discussion highlighting the difficulties in using two different cataloging systems. I cut my teeth on Scott’s, but really, Michel’s system is profoundly more thorough and information dense. I’ve thought about converting, but all the dealers here use Scott’s.
I wish Scott’s/ Amos would allow sites like Colnect that have been licensed by Stanley Gibbons, Michel, Yvert and others to use their stamp ID data (but NO pricing or market info) to add the Scott numbers. They do have something they call SN which mimic Scott’s, but having the approval for a full cross reference by Amos would be incredibly helpful as this discussion shows.
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"Michel’s system is profoundly more thorough and information dense."
RIGHT !!
And that's why the greater part of european collectors uses MICHEL.
But hé, I understand it.
The most of you can not read or write GERMAN (no offense) so you are looking for an english catalog. I would do that too.
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Not sure this is the right place, but will ask anyway.
I think I am correct, but need someone with more smarts than me to agree or set me straight.
German Occupation of Bohemia and Moravia. My 2011 Scotts indicates there is a #13a "Mahnen", but cannot find in Michel Germany Specialized. What I do find is the statement that 13 II - 16 II, listed in earlier editions are considered printing accidents and have been withdrawn from newer catalogs. My conclusion is that Scott's 13a is no longer a valid stamp and I should disregard as a valid stamp. Although Scott's cat value is $75 used. If there is such a stamp how do you tell the difference between 13 and 13a?
Any help would be appreciated.
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re: German Occupation of Bohemia and Moravia
As relates to the overprint:
Scott #13 = "Mahren"
Scott #13a = "Mahnen"
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Thanks Michael
Even as much as I looked, I never could figure out what they were trying to say. Is there some place that tells me what to look for or am I just supposed to figure that out on my own?
Appreciate the help. Anyone have one they want to get rid of?
Mel
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re: German Occupation of Bohemia and Moravia
I just gave you the answer. Look at the overprint.
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re: German Occupation of Bohemia and Moravia
Can anyone tell me what Scott nr 13 (13a) are for the MICHEL catalog.
Maybe I can be of any assistance?
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"Can anyone tell me what Scott nr 13 (13a) are for the MICHEL catalog.
Maybe I can be of any assistance?"
I don´t have a Scott, I believe it is Michel 13 I. "MÄHNEN statt MÄHREN"
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re: German Occupation of Bohemia and Moravia
@ mbo1142,
How can you say they are not mentioned in the Michel Special Katalog ???????????
The translation on the Michel catalog :
The Minr 1 I, 2 I, 3 II, 5 I to 11 I, 13 II to 16 II listed in previous catalog editions are no longer applicable because they have turned out to be printing accidents.
So your 13a Scott number is a valid stamp but now to be considered as Nr 13
Simple enough.
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re: German Occupation of Bohemia and Moravia
HockeyNut can you translate please,for FALSCH.
In my cat.Michel ed.2011 write the same.
For the no. of catalogues I search in "colnect.com":
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re: German Occupation of Bohemia and Moravia
HockyNut,
Look at my original post. That is exactly what I said. Unless I am wrong, Michel does not recognize the 13a like Scott does. I have the 13, in fact the Safe Album pages do not have a space for a 13a only the 13. I have the 2 volume English version of the Michel Germany Specialized. However, as Michael pointed out there are 2 different #13 because of the overprint.
Michael,
I looked at the overprints as you originally said and found the difference. But my question was, is there anything that tells me to look at the different overprints or am I just supposed to figure that out on my own?
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re: German Occupation of Bohemia and Moravia
"HockeyNut can you translate please,for FALSCH.
In my cat.Michel ed.2011 write the same.
For the no. of catalogues I search in "colnect.com":"
FALSCH means forged.
There are a lot of forged overprints of the 1st serie of BÖHMEN UND MÄHREN.
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re: German Occupation of Bohemia and Moravia
"HockyNut,
Look at my original post. That is exactly what I said. Unless I am wrong, Michel does not recognize the 13a like Scott does. I have the 13, in fact the Safe Album pages do not have a space for a 13a only the 13. I have the 2 volume English version of the Michel Germany Specialized. However, as Michael pointed out there are 2 different #13 because of the overprint.
"
Again :
Your Scott's 13a is 13I in the Michel.
Michel handles the romian "I", "II" etc. for "PLATTENFEHLER" or plate flaws as you call them
Michel handels a,b,c etc. for color variations......
Michel does not recognize 13 II anymore (See my previous post!)
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re: German Occupation of Bohemia and Moravia
To me this is a fascinating discussion highlighting the difficulties in using two different cataloging systems. I cut my teeth on Scott’s, but really, Michel’s system is profoundly more thorough and information dense. I’ve thought about converting, but all the dealers here use Scott’s.
I wish Scott’s/ Amos would allow sites like Colnect that have been licensed by Stanley Gibbons, Michel, Yvert and others to use their stamp ID data (but NO pricing or market info) to add the Scott numbers. They do have something they call SN which mimic Scott’s, but having the approval for a full cross reference by Amos would be incredibly helpful as this discussion shows.
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re: German Occupation of Bohemia and Moravia
"Michel’s system is profoundly more thorough and information dense."
RIGHT !!
And that's why the greater part of european collectors uses MICHEL.
But hé, I understand it.
The most of you can not read or write GERMAN (no offense) so you are looking for an english catalog. I would do that too.
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