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I guess some will feel differently but my experience is,
I wish I've never upgraded!
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I use Windows 10 at work and Windows 7 at home. I much prefer Windows 7.
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"Classic Shell is a computer software for Microsoft Windows that provides user interface elements intended to restore familiar features from past versions of Windows. It focuses on the Start menu, File Explorer and Internet Explorer — three major components of the Windows shell."
I despise them all ... Classic Shell keeps me firmly planted in Windows XP, only way better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Shell ... on deWiki
http://www.classicshell.net/ ... thru version 4.3.1, which I'm running right now
https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu ... as maintained & continued by volunteers
Cheers,
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Windows 10 is faster and more stable but most importantly Win7 is past end-of-life so it is no longer supported with updates which protect it from malicious software. On the other hand, if you have older peripherals and you may have trouble finding drivers.
Having supported thousands of users over the years of constant operating version updates I can tell you that most users hate changing. For most users a computer is a tool and they have little tolerance for learning new tools; they want to only learn a tool once and never have it change ever again. Imagine if they developed new perforation gauges ever 5 years and we all had to relearn how to use them. Yuck. But of course the trouble is that we do not store our credit cards and banking info in a perf gauge. We do not fill a perforation gauge with thousand of spreadsheets, images, and documents that we invest hundred of hours in. So it is dicey to try to buck the change and stick to the older operating systems. If you do not store any personal info on your PC, if you do not care if ransomware takes over your PC and encrypts all your files, then sticking to the end-of-life operating systems is feasible.
My opinion is to deal with learning Win10 even if it causes some short term pain; in the long run you will be better off.
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I've gotta say, I like Windows 10. I'm a person who likes being keyboard orientated rather than mouse oriented. I don't particularly like having to move my hand to the mouse all the time. In Windows 10 when you want to start a new program you press the Windows key (bottom left side of your keyboard) and just start typing the name of the program that you want to use. I think you'll find that if you want to use Microsoft Word, press the Windows key and start typing "word". You will probably only have to type "wo" and Word will popup. Just press Enter and it will start. It also interprets what it is that you want to do. If I want to check that a computer/server or website is there I use the Ping command. I press the Windows key and start typing "ping" and the Command window opens so that I can enter the ping command. What I really like is not having to search through menus of programs to get to what I want to use.
I guess it is all just what you are used to.
Regards ... Tim.
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"... Windows 10 is faster and more stable ... supported with updates which protect it from malicious software ..."
Perhaps I should clarify, for those unfamiliar with the terminology, that Classic Shell runs over, not in place of, Windows 7 or Windows 10.
Running Classic Shell means that the keystrokes & gestures that I have learned over the years still work, even while I am getting all of the security benefits that come with running the current version of Windows & its mini-flood of updates & fixes & patches.
I can also add new links to the Start Menu, and organize them as I please, so that each new laptop looks'n'feels pretty much exactly like the last one.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey (whose current Dell laptop is running a bilingual version of Win10)
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Don is correct: Windows 7 is no longer supported, so the bugs that were always present and crawling all over the place, are only going to multiply, get bigger, and grow harder shells (not to be confused with Michael's shell)
That said, Windows 10 takes one of the more functional OS versions MS has produced and makes it prettier and far less intuitive. There's no consistence in how an individual program might work: some times I can find stuff and other times not, only to have it pop later after i've recreated it. My IT guy likes it, but everytime I ask him why there's some new difficulty, he shrugs and says it's MS.
It is more functional and stable than MS Vista and ME, but that's like saying the Tittanic didn't sink as fast as the Edmund Fitzgerald
is it clear that I hate this piece of garbage and wouldn't have switched if the infestation weren't guaranteed to make life unbearable with 7.
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Funny - I seem to like the Apple experience. I recall my days in the military with windows. Every time I started my week of shifts, I'd re-boot the computer, as there were always little problems here & there. Of course the Met side of the office used HP computers running Linux, which was forever and a day stable.
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I use Windows 7. After all the years of its supported life, I think almost all of the kinks in it have been fixed, so I am not concerned about that.
True there is no support from Microsoft. However, there is aftermarket support for viruses and maleware, and disc cleaning.
I have used CCleaner, and Maleware Bytes programs for years. I continue to get updates for them. Both programs come with a free version, and you don't really need anything else.
Maleware Bytes will even give you a 14 day free trial of their full version. If you don't pay for the full version, your version will revert to the free one automatically. Later on, if you think you really need to do a massive check of your drives for possible viruses r maleware, your can uninstall the free version, and download the full version for another 14 days.
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I have two Windows 7 laptops and a newer IMac. I have cross loaded all the files on the two Win 7 machines but have not synched them yet. I use one and backup once a week if there is anything important new on two zip drives.
While Microsoft has abandoned the Windows 7 program they did a turnaround on Security Essentials. That will be updated to support Windows 7 through 2023. Many of the anti virus programs support back to XP . I use Webroot as it plays nice with Security Essentials. is cloud based and avoids all the problems inherent with anti virus updates. I got the CD version for $20 at Walmart for a one year subscription for 3 machines. I've been a heavy internet user (many hours per day) since 1998 when I started on Ebay... my husband has also been a heavy user working uot of motel rooms 10 to 11 months a year. Never had a virus yet but we practice "safe surfing" and email protocol and don't use social media.
If I ever have to go with a Windows 10 machine the first installation will be Classic Shell. Thank God for freeware..
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I recently had an update come through to my PC. I thought maybe it was Microsoft had forgotten something and pushed it out to everyone. Nice to know that they'll continue with the security updates.
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We used Win 7 for as long as we could and then did the free upgrade to win 10.
It has been mostly a positive improvement. Boot and shutdown time is much improved.
The learning curve is just finding where they moved all the customization aspects - WiFi, Bluetooth, and rationalization (especially for display) are much improved. The one issue is the new versions of OneNote and screen capture (these are based upon new app model) do not work. I turned off Cortona.
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I'm still running Vista!
And it still works great on our desktop PC with no issues...but we are looking to
retire this old Gateway soon - probably this summer.
In any case, I very very seldom have any issues, but when I do they are minor
and have all been easily fixed.
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I am having an issue with trying to update my adobe acrobat reader. Error message is 130200. How can I get this update?
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From the Adobe Community Web Site:
"Error 130200 means that a file downloaded by Updater was not valid. It could be a result of corrupted download or validation process encountered an error. ... When redirected to the Support page, select appropriate update for your current product version, download manually and run it (double click on downloaded file)."
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That error typically means the Updater is having trouble with the downloading the file (or the file is corrupted). Best thing to do is download the update file manually, you can get it here
https://supportdownloads.adobe.com/product.jsp?product=1&platform=Windows
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When I sign into stamporama, I have to sign in every time I go to site. How do you keep signed in without everytime having to sign in? I hope you can understand the problem.
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Help! Every time I login I get a message telling me that support for Office 2010 has ended. Does this mean that Word and Excel (where I have my engraved stamps spreadsheet - 1000+ lines of info) will cease to be?
What can I do? Do I have to buy the latest version, or can I migrate my stuff to one of the free versions? Or can I sit tight?
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It means Microsoft will not provide fixes such as security fixes. It should always work.
For example, Windows 7 is now out of support but Win 7 clients still work.
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Agreed with Al. When software goes ‘EOL’ (End Of Life) it means that support for it will no longer exist. Note that it extends beyond the original manufacturer of the software. For example, TurboTax announced that this year’s Turbo tax app will not install or run on Windows 7 because Win7 has past its EOL.
Developing applications that are supported by the large number of current versions is hard enough, trying to support old versions is virtually impossible.
But since you are talking about Office, it is doubtful that you have other 3rd party app dependent upon it; you can sit tight. But be aware that you are running outdated Office apps and that security is not tight. I would be especially cautious about opening Office files that are not yours. If a friend sends you an office file I would take the time to verify that they actually sent it. And certainly never open a Office file from an unknown source.
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Strider, if you have windows 10, on thw start menu you should have "office Starter". If you run this then from the file menu choose your file and when it is opened save again but with a new name.
I think this would allow you to open in future editions of Excel but perhaps Don could weigh in with his more knowledgable opinion.
Could it be saved as an RTF file?
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I agree, backward compatibility is almost always assured, software manufacturers do not want to orphan older files and anger customers.
But forward compatibility is often not assured; new versions may or may not be bale to be opened by older applications. So Strider should not be concerned that his files will not open moving forward.
Don
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Mind you, the UK could do with a few lessons in Excel.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54423988
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Just get a Mac and all those troubles will go away.
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While I agree with Zipper... the comic is lol funny !!! But I have zero problems with a mac so no help here..
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download ccleaner to clear debris from SSD... update defender regularly
no issues
N.B. 32BIT PROGRAMS DO NOT RUN UNDER WIN10. IF CRITICAL, BUY A NEW LAPTOP
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CCleaner is a good example the Windows platform and its related applications. I typically get one call a month from various friends and family about CCleaner; most of these are users who ended up with registry problems after running the Registry Cleaner. Typically this is due to users allowing CCleaner to remove/change entries they should not be messing with. This is not really the fault of CCleaner but rather reflects the complexity of the confluence of Windows, the Window registry, and user’s experience and knowledge.
But it should also be noted that CCleaner has a bit of a checkered past. A few years ago hackers got into Piriform (creators of the CCleaner) and inserted malicious software into CCleaner. They placed embedded remote administration tools into CCleaner versions 5.33.6162 and CCleaner Cloud version 1.07.3191. Tens of thousand of users computers were infected and the malware allowed the hackers to remotely access their computer without detection. A very egregious and embarrassing situation for Piriform, a company that was supposed to be protecting your PC. Avast then purchased CCleaner from Piriform and straight out their security issues.
But Avast is notorious for installing ‘bundleware’; this is where they install a number of additional applications beside the one you wanted. These are apps which typically have ‘sunsets’ or are otherwise handicapped until you purchase them. The installer for CCleaner from Avast now included additional bundleware. But Windows 10 defender is now flagging CCleaner as ‘potentially unwanted software’; lots calls coming in about this now.
This is the kind of stuff that explains why I get a dozen or so calls per year about CCleaner. A good tool when used correctly but can cause issues at times. There are some IT industry experts who say that there are more IT people employed to support AV applications and the issues the apps introduce then there are actually dealing with actual malware and viruses.
It is also why Mac and Linux users sometimes say their platforms are 'better'. But as the comic above implies, the issue is really more about the popularity of the platforms. If Linux or Apple were to suddenly have 75% of the desktop market-share like Windows has then we would see an explosion of malware/virus and 3rd party app issues on those platforms.
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"N.B. 32BIT PROGRAMS DO NOT RUN UNDER WIN10. IF CRITICAL, BUY A NEW LAPTOP"
Excuse me ????????
A 32 bit program works just fine in Windows 10 64 bits.
It is 16 bits programs that will not run at all, in a 64 bit version of Windows.
Microsoft recently canceled there WIN 10 32 bits version (in May 2020)
And If you have really old programs make a virtual machine on your WIN 10 machine (WIN XP, WIN VISTA, WIN 8 whatever....even WIN 98)
Lots of programs to do that : Hyper-V, Virtual-Box, VM-ware, Hypervisor
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I've had Windows 10 on my Dell laptop ever since I got it in 2015.
A couple weeks ago I noted that the time did not change to Standard so went in and changed that. Now when I log on I do not get the regular screen with my links on dislay etc. I get some different thing that is usable..sort of. I cannot open up and play any games without them taking super long.
So I thought, OK I'll just go in and change it. Cannot. I get a mighty brief vision of my old screen when logging on; Any suggestions how to get that view on a permanent basis?
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I recently had a computer crash. the shop where I took it installed Windows 10. Can anybody tell me your experiences with learning the ins and outs with it. Any tips advise from any members using this system is greatly appreciated.
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I guess some will feel differently but my experience is,
I wish I've never upgraded!
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I use Windows 10 at work and Windows 7 at home. I much prefer Windows 7.
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"Classic Shell is a computer software for Microsoft Windows that provides user interface elements intended to restore familiar features from past versions of Windows. It focuses on the Start menu, File Explorer and Internet Explorer — three major components of the Windows shell."
I despise them all ... Classic Shell keeps me firmly planted in Windows XP, only way better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Shell ... on deWiki
http://www.classicshell.net/ ... thru version 4.3.1, which I'm running right now
https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu ... as maintained & continued by volunteers
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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Windows 10 is faster and more stable but most importantly Win7 is past end-of-life so it is no longer supported with updates which protect it from malicious software. On the other hand, if you have older peripherals and you may have trouble finding drivers.
Having supported thousands of users over the years of constant operating version updates I can tell you that most users hate changing. For most users a computer is a tool and they have little tolerance for learning new tools; they want to only learn a tool once and never have it change ever again. Imagine if they developed new perforation gauges ever 5 years and we all had to relearn how to use them. Yuck. But of course the trouble is that we do not store our credit cards and banking info in a perf gauge. We do not fill a perforation gauge with thousand of spreadsheets, images, and documents that we invest hundred of hours in. So it is dicey to try to buck the change and stick to the older operating systems. If you do not store any personal info on your PC, if you do not care if ransomware takes over your PC and encrypts all your files, then sticking to the end-of-life operating systems is feasible.
My opinion is to deal with learning Win10 even if it causes some short term pain; in the long run you will be better off.
Don
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I've gotta say, I like Windows 10. I'm a person who likes being keyboard orientated rather than mouse oriented. I don't particularly like having to move my hand to the mouse all the time. In Windows 10 when you want to start a new program you press the Windows key (bottom left side of your keyboard) and just start typing the name of the program that you want to use. I think you'll find that if you want to use Microsoft Word, press the Windows key and start typing "word". You will probably only have to type "wo" and Word will popup. Just press Enter and it will start. It also interprets what it is that you want to do. If I want to check that a computer/server or website is there I use the Ping command. I press the Windows key and start typing "ping" and the Command window opens so that I can enter the ping command. What I really like is not having to search through menus of programs to get to what I want to use.
I guess it is all just what you are used to.
Regards ... Tim.
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"... Windows 10 is faster and more stable ... supported with updates which protect it from malicious software ..."
Perhaps I should clarify, for those unfamiliar with the terminology, that Classic Shell runs over, not in place of, Windows 7 or Windows 10.
Running Classic Shell means that the keystrokes & gestures that I have learned over the years still work, even while I am getting all of the security benefits that come with running the current version of Windows & its mini-flood of updates & fixes & patches.
I can also add new links to the Start Menu, and organize them as I please, so that each new laptop looks'n'feels pretty much exactly like the last one.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey (whose current Dell laptop is running a bilingual version of Win10)
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Don is correct: Windows 7 is no longer supported, so the bugs that were always present and crawling all over the place, are only going to multiply, get bigger, and grow harder shells (not to be confused with Michael's shell)
That said, Windows 10 takes one of the more functional OS versions MS has produced and makes it prettier and far less intuitive. There's no consistence in how an individual program might work: some times I can find stuff and other times not, only to have it pop later after i've recreated it. My IT guy likes it, but everytime I ask him why there's some new difficulty, he shrugs and says it's MS.
It is more functional and stable than MS Vista and ME, but that's like saying the Tittanic didn't sink as fast as the Edmund Fitzgerald
is it clear that I hate this piece of garbage and wouldn't have switched if the infestation weren't guaranteed to make life unbearable with 7.
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Funny - I seem to like the Apple experience. I recall my days in the military with windows. Every time I started my week of shifts, I'd re-boot the computer, as there were always little problems here & there. Of course the Met side of the office used HP computers running Linux, which was forever and a day stable.
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I use Windows 7. After all the years of its supported life, I think almost all of the kinks in it have been fixed, so I am not concerned about that.
True there is no support from Microsoft. However, there is aftermarket support for viruses and maleware, and disc cleaning.
I have used CCleaner, and Maleware Bytes programs for years. I continue to get updates for them. Both programs come with a free version, and you don't really need anything else.
Maleware Bytes will even give you a 14 day free trial of their full version. If you don't pay for the full version, your version will revert to the free one automatically. Later on, if you think you really need to do a massive check of your drives for possible viruses r maleware, your can uninstall the free version, and download the full version for another 14 days.
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I have two Windows 7 laptops and a newer IMac. I have cross loaded all the files on the two Win 7 machines but have not synched them yet. I use one and backup once a week if there is anything important new on two zip drives.
While Microsoft has abandoned the Windows 7 program they did a turnaround on Security Essentials. That will be updated to support Windows 7 through 2023. Many of the anti virus programs support back to XP . I use Webroot as it plays nice with Security Essentials. is cloud based and avoids all the problems inherent with anti virus updates. I got the CD version for $20 at Walmart for a one year subscription for 3 machines. I've been a heavy internet user (many hours per day) since 1998 when I started on Ebay... my husband has also been a heavy user working uot of motel rooms 10 to 11 months a year. Never had a virus yet but we practice "safe surfing" and email protocol and don't use social media.
If I ever have to go with a Windows 10 machine the first installation will be Classic Shell. Thank God for freeware..
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I recently had an update come through to my PC. I thought maybe it was Microsoft had forgotten something and pushed it out to everyone. Nice to know that they'll continue with the security updates.
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We used Win 7 for as long as we could and then did the free upgrade to win 10.
It has been mostly a positive improvement. Boot and shutdown time is much improved.
The learning curve is just finding where they moved all the customization aspects - WiFi, Bluetooth, and rationalization (especially for display) are much improved. The one issue is the new versions of OneNote and screen capture (these are based upon new app model) do not work. I turned off Cortona.
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I'm still running Vista!
And it still works great on our desktop PC with no issues...but we are looking to
retire this old Gateway soon - probably this summer.
In any case, I very very seldom have any issues, but when I do they are minor
and have all been easily fixed.
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I am having an issue with trying to update my adobe acrobat reader. Error message is 130200. How can I get this update?
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From the Adobe Community Web Site:
"Error 130200 means that a file downloaded by Updater was not valid. It could be a result of corrupted download or validation process encountered an error. ... When redirected to the Support page, select appropriate update for your current product version, download manually and run it (double click on downloaded file)."
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That error typically means the Updater is having trouble with the downloading the file (or the file is corrupted). Best thing to do is download the update file manually, you can get it here
https://supportdownloads.adobe.com/product.jsp?product=1&platform=Windows
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When I sign into stamporama, I have to sign in every time I go to site. How do you keep signed in without everytime having to sign in? I hope you can understand the problem.
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Help! Every time I login I get a message telling me that support for Office 2010 has ended. Does this mean that Word and Excel (where I have my engraved stamps spreadsheet - 1000+ lines of info) will cease to be?
What can I do? Do I have to buy the latest version, or can I migrate my stuff to one of the free versions? Or can I sit tight?
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It means Microsoft will not provide fixes such as security fixes. It should always work.
For example, Windows 7 is now out of support but Win 7 clients still work.
Al
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Agreed with Al. When software goes ‘EOL’ (End Of Life) it means that support for it will no longer exist. Note that it extends beyond the original manufacturer of the software. For example, TurboTax announced that this year’s Turbo tax app will not install or run on Windows 7 because Win7 has past its EOL.
Developing applications that are supported by the large number of current versions is hard enough, trying to support old versions is virtually impossible.
But since you are talking about Office, it is doubtful that you have other 3rd party app dependent upon it; you can sit tight. But be aware that you are running outdated Office apps and that security is not tight. I would be especially cautious about opening Office files that are not yours. If a friend sends you an office file I would take the time to verify that they actually sent it. And certainly never open a Office file from an unknown source.
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Strider, if you have windows 10, on thw start menu you should have "office Starter". If you run this then from the file menu choose your file and when it is opened save again but with a new name.
I think this would allow you to open in future editions of Excel but perhaps Don could weigh in with his more knowledgable opinion.
Could it be saved as an RTF file?
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I agree, backward compatibility is almost always assured, software manufacturers do not want to orphan older files and anger customers.
But forward compatibility is often not assured; new versions may or may not be bale to be opened by older applications. So Strider should not be concerned that his files will not open moving forward.
Don
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Mind you, the UK could do with a few lessons in Excel.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54423988
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Just get a Mac and all those troubles will go away.
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While I agree with Zipper... the comic is lol funny !!! But I have zero problems with a mac so no help here..
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download ccleaner to clear debris from SSD... update defender regularly
no issues
N.B. 32BIT PROGRAMS DO NOT RUN UNDER WIN10. IF CRITICAL, BUY A NEW LAPTOP
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CCleaner is a good example the Windows platform and its related applications. I typically get one call a month from various friends and family about CCleaner; most of these are users who ended up with registry problems after running the Registry Cleaner. Typically this is due to users allowing CCleaner to remove/change entries they should not be messing with. This is not really the fault of CCleaner but rather reflects the complexity of the confluence of Windows, the Window registry, and user’s experience and knowledge.
But it should also be noted that CCleaner has a bit of a checkered past. A few years ago hackers got into Piriform (creators of the CCleaner) and inserted malicious software into CCleaner. They placed embedded remote administration tools into CCleaner versions 5.33.6162 and CCleaner Cloud version 1.07.3191. Tens of thousand of users computers were infected and the malware allowed the hackers to remotely access their computer without detection. A very egregious and embarrassing situation for Piriform, a company that was supposed to be protecting your PC. Avast then purchased CCleaner from Piriform and straight out their security issues.
But Avast is notorious for installing ‘bundleware’; this is where they install a number of additional applications beside the one you wanted. These are apps which typically have ‘sunsets’ or are otherwise handicapped until you purchase them. The installer for CCleaner from Avast now included additional bundleware. But Windows 10 defender is now flagging CCleaner as ‘potentially unwanted software’; lots calls coming in about this now.
This is the kind of stuff that explains why I get a dozen or so calls per year about CCleaner. A good tool when used correctly but can cause issues at times. There are some IT industry experts who say that there are more IT people employed to support AV applications and the issues the apps introduce then there are actually dealing with actual malware and viruses.
It is also why Mac and Linux users sometimes say their platforms are 'better'. But as the comic above implies, the issue is really more about the popularity of the platforms. If Linux or Apple were to suddenly have 75% of the desktop market-share like Windows has then we would see an explosion of malware/virus and 3rd party app issues on those platforms.
Don
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"N.B. 32BIT PROGRAMS DO NOT RUN UNDER WIN10. IF CRITICAL, BUY A NEW LAPTOP"
Excuse me ????????
A 32 bit program works just fine in Windows 10 64 bits.
It is 16 bits programs that will not run at all, in a 64 bit version of Windows.
Microsoft recently canceled there WIN 10 32 bits version (in May 2020)
And If you have really old programs make a virtual machine on your WIN 10 machine (WIN XP, WIN VISTA, WIN 8 whatever....even WIN 98)
Lots of programs to do that : Hyper-V, Virtual-Box, VM-ware, Hypervisor
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I've had Windows 10 on my Dell laptop ever since I got it in 2015.
A couple weeks ago I noted that the time did not change to Standard so went in and changed that. Now when I log on I do not get the regular screen with my links on dislay etc. I get some different thing that is usable..sort of. I cannot open up and play any games without them taking super long.
So I thought, OK I'll just go in and change it. Cannot. I get a mighty brief vision of my old screen when logging on; Any suggestions how to get that view on a permanent basis?
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