Could it be Jordan Scott #23, bit hard to make out the surcharge on the scan.
See next post for correction.
This makes the surcharge easier to see.
Looking at this now I'd go with Jordan 1925 Scott # 141
Hey thanks Vic. I think you it the nail on the head. I looked it up in the catalog and *cough* *cough* wow that's not the 25 cent catalog value stamp I thought it was.
I'm not convinced the nail has been hit just yet. To my eyes the overprint (not surcharge) is not correct for the 1925 issue.
I'm off back to work but will delve into it later.
Londonbus1
I have come to the same conclusion. The overprints are similar but do not match exactly. I am at a loss as to where to look next.
The bottom line of the overprint reads 'East of the Jordan' which should be in two lines according to my catalogues.
But what does the top line say ? I thought maybe 'Due' but it looks way off for that.
I am waiting on an Arab speaking friend for assistance !!
Sorry, slaps wrist and beats head with wooden hammer, it is definitely an overprint not surcharge. Stupid old brain dead me.
Be interesting to know the answer though.
Shepshank admits to being tied up in a knot.
The following are currently listed on Ebay as 1925-East-of-Jordan-Overprints-EXTRA-FINE-USED-/401828069108
Looks like the same 2 line overprint.
Ps, yes Charlie think I tied myself with that one, bit of a knotty problem.
Ok definitely a different overprint (slap, slap)here are the two together.
The bottom line on the left stamp appears to be the two lines on the right stamp. So it has an additional overprint of the top line on the left image.
OK, the overprint reads Hejazi (Hejaz), East of the Jordan.
The next question is, who in the Hejaz overprinted the Palestine stamps ? I am thinking local revenue use so am following the lead on that. Possibly connected to the Old Hejaz Ottoman railway ?
Palestine stamps were overprinted for various revenue uses but this particular overprint is not listed in Bale.
Of course it could be a forgery !
More research, more fun.
Not connected but just an aside.....when I first came to Israel in the mid-eighties I remember walking along track remains of the old Hejaz Railway lines which ran along the fields where I now live. It was fascinating and I remember it gave me strong feelings of going back to those Ottoman days..........
Londonbus1
OK I can see that now, having run it through an English / Arabic translator, could not properly make out the script on the scan.
Be interesting to know why, as you say some sort of official usage most likely.
Barefoot lists under Palestine three-line surcharges:
H.J.Z
(value)
E.E.F
on E.E.F. stamps as revenues for the Hejaz Railway Debenture Retirement Fund with issues from 1918 to 1924.
Is this a later, similar revenue from the Transjordan Protectorate?
I find it interesting that the stamp that was overprinted was meant for use by forces in Egypt, not Palestine. Off the top of my head, East of the Jordan could be referring to somewhere in Palestine, Jordan and a more remote possibility, Syria. The northern terminus of the Hejaz railway was Damascus, Syria.
Hi smauggie,
The British "Egyptian Expeditionary Force" was founded in Egypt to defend Egypt in the campaign against the Ottoman Empire.
However, the E.E.F. stamps were issued for use in the British occupied Ottoman territory after the war specially Palestine and parts of Syria (including the future Transjordan Protectorate).
SG Part 1 includes a list of post offices outside of Palestine that issued these stamps, most of which were in Syria or Labanon.
Yes, I agree, esentially "East of Jordan" = Transjordan = modern Jordan.
I wonder if the Hejaz railway o/p on EEF Transjordan stamps are actually revenue stamps?
For those curious, here are two more with a purple o/p on top of the Transjordan o/p. An id opinion would be appreciated.
rrr....
Hi Folks,
This stamp is throwing me for a loop. It is probably quite common I am sure. I checked Palestine, Great Britain and even Turkey to come up blank. Any help would be appreciated.
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
Could it be Jordan Scott #23, bit hard to make out the surcharge on the scan.
See next post for correction.
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
This makes the surcharge easier to see.
Looking at this now I'd go with Jordan 1925 Scott # 141
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
Hey thanks Vic. I think you it the nail on the head. I looked it up in the catalog and *cough* *cough* wow that's not the 25 cent catalog value stamp I thought it was.
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
I'm not convinced the nail has been hit just yet. To my eyes the overprint (not surcharge) is not correct for the 1925 issue.
I'm off back to work but will delve into it later.
Londonbus1
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
I have come to the same conclusion. The overprints are similar but do not match exactly. I am at a loss as to where to look next.
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
The bottom line of the overprint reads 'East of the Jordan' which should be in two lines according to my catalogues.
But what does the top line say ? I thought maybe 'Due' but it looks way off for that.
I am waiting on an Arab speaking friend for assistance !!
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
Sorry, slaps wrist and beats head with wooden hammer, it is definitely an overprint not surcharge. Stupid old brain dead me.
Be interesting to know the answer though.
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
Shepshank admits to being tied up in a knot.
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
The following are currently listed on Ebay as 1925-East-of-Jordan-Overprints-EXTRA-FINE-USED-/401828069108
Looks like the same 2 line overprint.
Ps, yes Charlie think I tied myself with that one, bit of a knotty problem.
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
Ok definitely a different overprint (slap, slap)here are the two together.
The bottom line on the left stamp appears to be the two lines on the right stamp. So it has an additional overprint of the top line on the left image.
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
OK, the overprint reads Hejazi (Hejaz), East of the Jordan.
The next question is, who in the Hejaz overprinted the Palestine stamps ? I am thinking local revenue use so am following the lead on that. Possibly connected to the Old Hejaz Ottoman railway ?
Palestine stamps were overprinted for various revenue uses but this particular overprint is not listed in Bale.
Of course it could be a forgery !
More research, more fun.
Not connected but just an aside.....when I first came to Israel in the mid-eighties I remember walking along track remains of the old Hejaz Railway lines which ran along the fields where I now live. It was fascinating and I remember it gave me strong feelings of going back to those Ottoman days..........
Londonbus1
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
OK I can see that now, having run it through an English / Arabic translator, could not properly make out the script on the scan.
Be interesting to know why, as you say some sort of official usage most likely.
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
Barefoot lists under Palestine three-line surcharges:
H.J.Z
(value)
E.E.F
on E.E.F. stamps as revenues for the Hejaz Railway Debenture Retirement Fund with issues from 1918 to 1924.
Is this a later, similar revenue from the Transjordan Protectorate?
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
I find it interesting that the stamp that was overprinted was meant for use by forces in Egypt, not Palestine. Off the top of my head, East of the Jordan could be referring to somewhere in Palestine, Jordan and a more remote possibility, Syria. The northern terminus of the Hejaz railway was Damascus, Syria.
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
Hi smauggie,
The British "Egyptian Expeditionary Force" was founded in Egypt to defend Egypt in the campaign against the Ottoman Empire.
However, the E.E.F. stamps were issued for use in the British occupied Ottoman territory after the war specially Palestine and parts of Syria (including the future Transjordan Protectorate).
SG Part 1 includes a list of post offices outside of Palestine that issued these stamps, most of which were in Syria or Labanon.
Yes, I agree, esentially "East of Jordan" = Transjordan = modern Jordan.
re: British Palestine EEF with strange color and overprint
I wonder if the Hejaz railway o/p on EEF Transjordan stamps are actually revenue stamps?
For those curious, here are two more with a purple o/p on top of the Transjordan o/p. An id opinion would be appreciated.
rrr....