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The stamp on the right is a 10 pfennig germania 1900 REICHSPOST stamp with a railway cancel. This isn't the box type but an oval.
The stamp on the left is a 10 pfennig germania 1902 Deutsches Reich unwatermarked. The cancellation is round and differs from the normal obliteration type cancellation. IS this a railway cancellation too?
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I don't think that is railway cancellation,but, I am not a specialist.
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Jusr like Gerom says :
On the left : Just a normal cancelation from Hamburg 12
On the right : It's oval but not clear to see.....
Can you scan the right one one more time please?
CAN YOU READ THE FIRST CITY OR DO YOU SEE THE WORDS :
"BAHNPOST" OR "Z." OR "ZUG" ???
The railway cancelations are mostly oval but not always.
See some examples :
Bahnpost cancelation WITHOUT zug number
Bahnpost cancelation WITH Z. 325
Bahnpost cancelation AS RECTANGLE Zug 31
Bahnpost cancelation Zug 2158
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If you are really into those kind of cancellations. Read the following :
The railway post stamp
By train post stamps are meant postage cancellations that were chipped off on mail items during the processing of mail items in railway wagons. The emphasis must be placed very clearly on the processing of mail items in a railroad car (also called a mail car); the mere transport of mail items by rail is not meant.
historical development
Very quickly after the introduction of rail transport in Germany, its suitability for transport as well as for sorting and processing mail items was recognized. On April 1st, 1848, only a few years after the introduction of the railway as a means of transport, Germany's first rail mail coach was put into operation.
These rail mail wagons contained slots (so-called wagon mailboxes) into which mail items could be thrown during the stop at a train station. The mail could also be handed over to the post office official or the conductor. The railway postmark was also used for consignments that were delivered by post offices, as field post or from country post offices to the post van.
But it was not only in Germany that rail mail became more important during this period. Poland and the United States in particular, but also Switzerland, Austria, France, Great Britain and other countries used the train not only for mail transport but also for mail processing.
Over time, air and air mail transportation became more effective, while the importance of rail mail waned.
The railway mail was discontinued in 1997 and the railway postmark also disappeared.
Appearance, example and meaning for philately
There are about 25,000 different route stamps. The train postmark contained information on the route, the number of the train and the date.
The oval stamp, which contained the route designation (e.g. Minden (Westf.) - Lübbecke) in the upper area, shows the imprint Bahnpost in the middle and the train number and the date in the lower half.
In addition, there was an additional stamp "subsequently canceled". This was used when shipments were delivered by the railway post office and had not yet been canceled.
Rare train postmarks also give ordinary brands a special feature. They not only open their own collection area, but also add interesting items to other areas.
The train postmarks are also important evidence of postal history. Today, consignments of lines that are only in operation for a short time or are hardly used are very popular. Old, long-ago railway lines can be reconstructed with railway postmarked documents. On the other hand, course books, railway archives and the selected literature on the subject of determination and evaluation, especially the assessment of authenticity, individual stamps are essential.
The Bundesarbeitsgemeinschaft Bahnpost e.V. in the Federation of German Philatelists is particularly committed to this topic and gives a catalog of the railway postmarks.
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Even a catalog exists :
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Thanks to everyone for their help.
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05:48:52pm
The image isn't the best, I know, but I hope it's clear enough to answer my question.
The stamp on the right is a 10 pfennig germania 1900 REICHSPOST stamp with a railway cancel. This isn't the box type but an oval.
The stamp on the left is a 10 pfennig germania 1902 Deutsches Reich unwatermarked. The cancellation is round and differs from the normal obliteration type cancellation. IS this a railway cancellation too?
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I don't think that is railway cancellation,but, I am not a specialist.
See "philastempel.de":
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re: Railway Cancellations Germania 1902 Unwatermarked
Jusr like Gerom says :
On the left : Just a normal cancelation from Hamburg 12
On the right : It's oval but not clear to see.....
Can you scan the right one one more time please?
CAN YOU READ THE FIRST CITY OR DO YOU SEE THE WORDS :
"BAHNPOST" OR "Z." OR "ZUG" ???
The railway cancelations are mostly oval but not always.
See some examples :
Bahnpost cancelation WITHOUT zug number
Bahnpost cancelation WITH Z. 325
Bahnpost cancelation AS RECTANGLE Zug 31
Bahnpost cancelation Zug 2158
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re: Railway Cancellations Germania 1902 Unwatermarked
If you are really into those kind of cancellations. Read the following :
The railway post stamp
By train post stamps are meant postage cancellations that were chipped off on mail items during the processing of mail items in railway wagons. The emphasis must be placed very clearly on the processing of mail items in a railroad car (also called a mail car); the mere transport of mail items by rail is not meant.
historical development
Very quickly after the introduction of rail transport in Germany, its suitability for transport as well as for sorting and processing mail items was recognized. On April 1st, 1848, only a few years after the introduction of the railway as a means of transport, Germany's first rail mail coach was put into operation.
These rail mail wagons contained slots (so-called wagon mailboxes) into which mail items could be thrown during the stop at a train station. The mail could also be handed over to the post office official or the conductor. The railway postmark was also used for consignments that were delivered by post offices, as field post or from country post offices to the post van.
But it was not only in Germany that rail mail became more important during this period. Poland and the United States in particular, but also Switzerland, Austria, France, Great Britain and other countries used the train not only for mail transport but also for mail processing.
Over time, air and air mail transportation became more effective, while the importance of rail mail waned.
The railway mail was discontinued in 1997 and the railway postmark also disappeared.
Appearance, example and meaning for philately
There are about 25,000 different route stamps. The train postmark contained information on the route, the number of the train and the date.
The oval stamp, which contained the route designation (e.g. Minden (Westf.) - Lübbecke) in the upper area, shows the imprint Bahnpost in the middle and the train number and the date in the lower half.
In addition, there was an additional stamp "subsequently canceled". This was used when shipments were delivered by the railway post office and had not yet been canceled.
Rare train postmarks also give ordinary brands a special feature. They not only open their own collection area, but also add interesting items to other areas.
The train postmarks are also important evidence of postal history. Today, consignments of lines that are only in operation for a short time or are hardly used are very popular. Old, long-ago railway lines can be reconstructed with railway postmarked documents. On the other hand, course books, railway archives and the selected literature on the subject of determination and evaluation, especially the assessment of authenticity, individual stamps are essential.
The Bundesarbeitsgemeinschaft Bahnpost e.V. in the Federation of German Philatelists is particularly committed to this topic and gives a catalog of the railway postmarks.
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Even a catalog exists :
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Thanks to everyone for their help.
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