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biggeorge
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14 Aug 2020
12:32:26pm
Purchased a lot of US Errors, Freaks and Oddities from a dealer in Canada. This item was included in the lot with no description or explanation. It is perfed 14 x 14. The number is printed under the gum. There is absolutely nothing printed on the other side. US stamps are not generally perfed 14. Any ideas? It measures 22mm wide by 26mm in height. Measured perf tip to perf tip.

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sheepshanks
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14 Aug 2020
12:44:36pm
re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Is there watermark or are there any phosphor bands on the paper (either side).
Looks like the coil numbers on the Hong Kong Machins. Although could be from almost any country but a watermark might pin that down.

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biggeorge
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14 Aug 2020
01:06:35pm
re: Stamp Number 270 ???

No watermark when dipped in solution!

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michael78651
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14 Aug 2020
09:46:19pm
re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Other countries use numbers like that for their coils as well. Germany is an example.

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HockeyNut
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15 Aug 2020
06:22:00am
re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Next story is specific vor Germany but I think it is similiar for other countries.

Stamp roll
A roll of postage stamps, or simply a roll, describes a form of delivery of stamps. For this purpose, stamps with the same motif and the same value level are either printed one above the other or next to one another.

Intended use
At the counter, different denominations are often available in a special stand and are quickly accessible.
Some issues were also given through postage stamp machines.
In both cases, the great advantage of the roll stamps is that when selling the stamp only has to be cut off on one side (up to 4 sides in a curve), which saves a lot of time at the counter and enables sales via vending machines in the first place .

Manufacturing
In contrast to sheet stamps, where 10, 25, 50 or 100 stamps are usually printed in one sheet, roll stamps are produced in "large sheets" according to the intended roll size.
Sizes of 200, 300, 400, 500, 1,000, 2,000, 5,000 or 10,000 stamps per roll are common.
The arches are perforated and then cut so that only one stamp is attached to the other, regardless of whether the stamps are only perforated on two or four sides.

Specifics in Germany
Sale
The outward appearance of the roll stamps does not differ from the same issues in sheet form.
The lateral perforation of a roll mark is generally of poor quality compared to the sheet stamp due to the automatic cut.
For this reason, the same stamps are also produced in sheet form for collectors in a small edition.
To simplify accounting, every fifth stamp has a counting number on the gummed side.
In order to avoid technical malfunctions in vending machines, so-called empty fields were glued to the end of the roll.
These are usually greenish pieces of paper the same size as the actual stamps, which were also perforated.
This was intended to enable the machine to sell all stamps on the one hand, but also to automatically detect the end of the roll on the other hand in order to avoid a "non-sale", i.e. To prevent money from being inserted without issuing stamps, as the roll is used up.

Since mid-1995, the empty fields are no longer stuck on for all roll sizes, unless they are to be sold via vending machines.
In the meantime, empty fields are generally no longer stuck on, as reel brands are no longer sold on machines; vending machine brands are sold there today.
After that, there were empty fields only in 10,000 rolls of the permanent series sights (40 Pfg., 45 Pfg., 47 Pfg., 110 Pfg (Expo MiNr. 2009), 47 Pfg / 0.24 Euro, 110 Pfg. / 0.56 Euro , 0.25 euros, 0.55 euros), but not only the four empty fields at the end but also nine empty fields at the beginning were glued on to protect the stamps, as these stamps are automatically stuck onto the consignments by the senders.

Packaging
The banderoles and the locking plates are collected from the roll packaging. Each unopened roll of stamps is enclosed in a banderole. From the series “Important Germans” on, ten rolls were packed in plastic film and given a round sticker, called a closure plate, at the top and bottom. This type of packaging was available until mid-1995.
From mid-1995, at the same time as the pull-on strips were discontinued, the rolls were individually packed in a colorful folding box and ten boxes were glued together with two fixed points on the sides. The boxes could be broken off individually. Each brand had its own box color, which was very complex.
Later, as now, all packaging boxes for the roll brands are uniformly white-gray and have a sticker that has the value level, the total price, the date of manufacture, the issue series and the motif of the brand printed on it. The information content and the typeface of the stickers vary from time to time. The boxes are no longer glued to the side.
In Germany, self-adhesive special stamps will also be sold in so-called brand boxes from 2000. The stamps are stuck on a roll of paper and have the counting number on the back of the carrier film. The usual roll size is 100 pieces.
From 2005 onwards, there will be no empty spaces or pull-on strips for any roll size in the new permanent series Flowers. Thus, the collection area roll ends is closed with pull-on strips.

Collective forms
The counting number is the only sign that a stamp can be proven to come from a roll; alternatively, the proof can only be provided by an 11-strip of stamps (for stamps that are made in sheets of ten by ten stamps), for smaller printed sheets the number is correspondingly lower. In the case of the roll brands of the Bundespräsident Heuss series, the verifiable roll brands are traded more expensively in accordance with the circulation figures; in all subsequent series, the sheet stamps are regularly more expensive.
Roll stamps are still collected in strips of multiple stamps (3, 5, 6, 11 or 15 strips). The beginning of the roll, parts of the roll and ends of the roll are to be differentiated using the serial numbers on the back, which are five, four, three, two or one-digit in the current editions.
Pay attention not only to the stamps, but also to the serial numbers on the back. In addition to the usual black numbers, the Heuss series also had red numbers, and for accident prevention there were also red, blue, green and blue-green numbers. Since about 1996 the counting numbers are no longer printed with a mechanical roller mill, but with an inkjet. Currently there are counting numbers with and without a dot after the counting number, depending on which machine the stamps were run on during production. The sprayed number color is usually gray.
Around the end of 2004, for four values ??(10 Pfg / 0.05 Euro - 20 Pfg / 0.10 Euro - 1.00 Euro and 4.10 Euro) in a smaller partial edition, deep black number colors with a dot behind the counting numbers appeared. In later editions the counting numbers were again found in gray as usual.


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HockeyNut
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15 Aug 2020
08:33:59am
re: Stamp Number 270 ???

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Castles and Palaces from the 80's

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Oldmanemu

15 Aug 2020
09:00:01am
re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Great post HockeyNut!
The effort in putting that much information into a post gets a "like" from me always.

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HockeyNut
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15 Aug 2020
10:27:39am
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"The effort in putting that much information into a post gets a "like" from me always. "



And the thanks is always appriciated...........Applause Thumbs Up

The effort in these is the translation to the english language.

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biggeorge
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17 Aug 2020
10:30:57pm
re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Thanks to HockeyNut / Sheepshanks / Michael ### for the information. As this item may remain a mystery for some time, I am going to mount it in my OOPS collection with the gum/number side showing and describe it as the "exceedingly rare, albino coil stamp of ????."

George

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HockeyNut
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18 Aug 2020
04:57:29am
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BigGeorge I really think that this BLANC stamp is from Germany.

Just look at the top right corner of the following picture (it is also number 270)
but the stamp is from the BRANDENBURGER TOR series.

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And for the people who do not know this serie the next picture is the front side of these stamps

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HockeyNut
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18 Aug 2020
05:48:30am
re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Searched for your example and came on a auction site :

Stamps only for SERVICE USE, test roll, dated November 16, 1976, so for the BURGEN AND SCHLOESSER SERIES. Stamps without a stamp image, mint never hinged, so gummed and with number on the back. Here now in the offer a strip of 6 with 2 numbers.
Strip 1 from the roll of 1000 (numbers alternating 3 or 4 digits) with white rubber, November 1, 1973.
Strip 2 from a roll of 500 (numbers always 3 digits) with white rubber, November 18, 1976.
Strip 3 from the roll of 1000 (numbers alternating 3 or 4 digits) with yellow rubber, August 14, 1970.
There are also 3 stamps without number, each with a yellow and white rubber.

NOT everyone has that.

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So a very unique piece in your collection. Thumbs Up

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AGKING
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18 Aug 2020
03:16:49pm
re: Stamp Number 270 ???

HockeyNut is hitting it out of the park on this post!!
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postalpicker

24 Aug 2020
12:01:58pm
re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Hockeynut, how far back does your love of Hockey go?
Do you remember when there were 7 players on each team, the 7th player was called the ROVER.
I have a set of the original ruels for hockey.

I wish hockey would do the following.

Get rid of the Zones, this would get rid of Off Sides and Icing, Get a college player to pick up broken sticks.

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HockeyNut
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25 Aug 2020
09:37:52am
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Well postalpicker,

I went to an ice hockey game for the first time in 1974 with my father and older brother.
Since then I have become "addicted" to the game.
Have also held various positions in ice hockey. (off-ice official, caretaker material, coach)
Much has changed in the rules of the game since 1974.
For example helmet compulsory in 1974 or abolishment of the center-line offside etc. etc.
Been in Canada several times with a recreation hockey-team to play a tournament and visited some NHL games.
Now a days I am archivaris of the archive of our hockey club with 3 other people.

That is it in a nuttshell

And I am collecting stamps from 1972, but I quit collecting (buying) since 2006.
I told it before : I like writing about the stamps and their history.
(See the various posts in the Thread : EUROPE -> GERMANY)

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27 Aug 2020
08:14:15am
re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Knew I had one of these somewhere. I've eventually found it.

The dealers blurb with it says 'West German variety: flourescent trial strip of 5 coil stamps with number on back from a 1973 trial'

The dealer also prices it at £25.
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biggeorge

14 Aug 2020
12:32:26pm

Purchased a lot of US Errors, Freaks and Oddities from a dealer in Canada. This item was included in the lot with no description or explanation. It is perfed 14 x 14. The number is printed under the gum. There is absolutely nothing printed on the other side. US stamps are not generally perfed 14. Any ideas? It measures 22mm wide by 26mm in height. Measured perf tip to perf tip.

Thanks

George

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sheepshanks

14 Aug 2020
12:44:36pm

re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Is there watermark or are there any phosphor bands on the paper (either side).
Looks like the coil numbers on the Hong Kong Machins. Although could be from almost any country but a watermark might pin that down.

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biggeorge

14 Aug 2020
01:06:35pm

re: Stamp Number 270 ???

No watermark when dipped in solution!

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michael78651

14 Aug 2020
09:46:19pm

re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Other countries use numbers like that for their coils as well. Germany is an example.

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HockeyNut

15 Aug 2020
06:22:00am

re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Next story is specific vor Germany but I think it is similiar for other countries.

Stamp roll
A roll of postage stamps, or simply a roll, describes a form of delivery of stamps. For this purpose, stamps with the same motif and the same value level are either printed one above the other or next to one another.

Intended use
At the counter, different denominations are often available in a special stand and are quickly accessible.
Some issues were also given through postage stamp machines.
In both cases, the great advantage of the roll stamps is that when selling the stamp only has to be cut off on one side (up to 4 sides in a curve), which saves a lot of time at the counter and enables sales via vending machines in the first place .

Manufacturing
In contrast to sheet stamps, where 10, 25, 50 or 100 stamps are usually printed in one sheet, roll stamps are produced in "large sheets" according to the intended roll size.
Sizes of 200, 300, 400, 500, 1,000, 2,000, 5,000 or 10,000 stamps per roll are common.
The arches are perforated and then cut so that only one stamp is attached to the other, regardless of whether the stamps are only perforated on two or four sides.

Specifics in Germany
Sale
The outward appearance of the roll stamps does not differ from the same issues in sheet form.
The lateral perforation of a roll mark is generally of poor quality compared to the sheet stamp due to the automatic cut.
For this reason, the same stamps are also produced in sheet form for collectors in a small edition.
To simplify accounting, every fifth stamp has a counting number on the gummed side.
In order to avoid technical malfunctions in vending machines, so-called empty fields were glued to the end of the roll.
These are usually greenish pieces of paper the same size as the actual stamps, which were also perforated.
This was intended to enable the machine to sell all stamps on the one hand, but also to automatically detect the end of the roll on the other hand in order to avoid a "non-sale", i.e. To prevent money from being inserted without issuing stamps, as the roll is used up.

Since mid-1995, the empty fields are no longer stuck on for all roll sizes, unless they are to be sold via vending machines.
In the meantime, empty fields are generally no longer stuck on, as reel brands are no longer sold on machines; vending machine brands are sold there today.
After that, there were empty fields only in 10,000 rolls of the permanent series sights (40 Pfg., 45 Pfg., 47 Pfg., 110 Pfg (Expo MiNr. 2009), 47 Pfg / 0.24 Euro, 110 Pfg. / 0.56 Euro , 0.25 euros, 0.55 euros), but not only the four empty fields at the end but also nine empty fields at the beginning were glued on to protect the stamps, as these stamps are automatically stuck onto the consignments by the senders.

Packaging
The banderoles and the locking plates are collected from the roll packaging. Each unopened roll of stamps is enclosed in a banderole. From the series “Important Germans” on, ten rolls were packed in plastic film and given a round sticker, called a closure plate, at the top and bottom. This type of packaging was available until mid-1995.
From mid-1995, at the same time as the pull-on strips were discontinued, the rolls were individually packed in a colorful folding box and ten boxes were glued together with two fixed points on the sides. The boxes could be broken off individually. Each brand had its own box color, which was very complex.
Later, as now, all packaging boxes for the roll brands are uniformly white-gray and have a sticker that has the value level, the total price, the date of manufacture, the issue series and the motif of the brand printed on it. The information content and the typeface of the stickers vary from time to time. The boxes are no longer glued to the side.
In Germany, self-adhesive special stamps will also be sold in so-called brand boxes from 2000. The stamps are stuck on a roll of paper and have the counting number on the back of the carrier film. The usual roll size is 100 pieces.
From 2005 onwards, there will be no empty spaces or pull-on strips for any roll size in the new permanent series Flowers. Thus, the collection area roll ends is closed with pull-on strips.

Collective forms
The counting number is the only sign that a stamp can be proven to come from a roll; alternatively, the proof can only be provided by an 11-strip of stamps (for stamps that are made in sheets of ten by ten stamps), for smaller printed sheets the number is correspondingly lower. In the case of the roll brands of the Bundespräsident Heuss series, the verifiable roll brands are traded more expensively in accordance with the circulation figures; in all subsequent series, the sheet stamps are regularly more expensive.
Roll stamps are still collected in strips of multiple stamps (3, 5, 6, 11 or 15 strips). The beginning of the roll, parts of the roll and ends of the roll are to be differentiated using the serial numbers on the back, which are five, four, three, two or one-digit in the current editions.
Pay attention not only to the stamps, but also to the serial numbers on the back. In addition to the usual black numbers, the Heuss series also had red numbers, and for accident prevention there were also red, blue, green and blue-green numbers. Since about 1996 the counting numbers are no longer printed with a mechanical roller mill, but with an inkjet. Currently there are counting numbers with and without a dot after the counting number, depending on which machine the stamps were run on during production. The sprayed number color is usually gray.
Around the end of 2004, for four values ??(10 Pfg / 0.05 Euro - 20 Pfg / 0.10 Euro - 1.00 Euro and 4.10 Euro) in a smaller partial edition, deep black number colors with a dot behind the counting numbers appeared. In later editions the counting numbers were again found in gray as usual.


Hope you now understand something about what these numbers mean on the back of the stamps.

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HockeyNut

15 Aug 2020
08:33:59am

re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Examples :

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Castles and Palaces from the 80's

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Oldmanemu

15 Aug 2020
09:00:01am

re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Great post HockeyNut!
The effort in putting that much information into a post gets a "like" from me always.

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15 Aug 2020
10:27:39am

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"The effort in putting that much information into a post gets a "like" from me always. "



And the thanks is always appriciated...........Applause Thumbs Up

The effort in these is the translation to the english language.

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biggeorge

17 Aug 2020
10:30:57pm

re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Thanks to HockeyNut / Sheepshanks / Michael ### for the information. As this item may remain a mystery for some time, I am going to mount it in my OOPS collection with the gum/number side showing and describe it as the "exceedingly rare, albino coil stamp of ????."

George

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HockeyNut

18 Aug 2020
04:57:29am

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BigGeorge I really think that this BLANC stamp is from Germany.

Just look at the top right corner of the following picture (it is also number 270)
but the stamp is from the BRANDENBURGER TOR series.

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And for the people who do not know this serie the next picture is the front side of these stamps

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HockeyNut

18 Aug 2020
05:48:30am

re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Searched for your example and came on a auction site :

Stamps only for SERVICE USE, test roll, dated November 16, 1976, so for the BURGEN AND SCHLOESSER SERIES. Stamps without a stamp image, mint never hinged, so gummed and with number on the back. Here now in the offer a strip of 6 with 2 numbers.
Strip 1 from the roll of 1000 (numbers alternating 3 or 4 digits) with white rubber, November 1, 1973.
Strip 2 from a roll of 500 (numbers always 3 digits) with white rubber, November 18, 1976.
Strip 3 from the roll of 1000 (numbers alternating 3 or 4 digits) with yellow rubber, August 14, 1970.
There are also 3 stamps without number, each with a yellow and white rubber.

NOT everyone has that.

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So a very unique piece in your collection. Thumbs Up

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AGKING

18 Aug 2020
03:16:49pm

re: Stamp Number 270 ???

HockeyNut is hitting it out of the park on this post!!
WELL DONE

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postalpicker

24 Aug 2020
12:01:58pm

re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Hockeynut, how far back does your love of Hockey go?
Do you remember when there were 7 players on each team, the 7th player was called the ROVER.
I have a set of the original ruels for hockey.

I wish hockey would do the following.

Get rid of the Zones, this would get rid of Off Sides and Icing, Get a college player to pick up broken sticks.

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HockeyNut

25 Aug 2020
09:37:52am

re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Well postalpicker,

I went to an ice hockey game for the first time in 1974 with my father and older brother.
Since then I have become "addicted" to the game.
Have also held various positions in ice hockey. (off-ice official, caretaker material, coach)
Much has changed in the rules of the game since 1974.
For example helmet compulsory in 1974 or abolishment of the center-line offside etc. etc.
Been in Canada several times with a recreation hockey-team to play a tournament and visited some NHL games.
Now a days I am archivaris of the archive of our hockey club with 3 other people.

That is it in a nuttshell

And I am collecting stamps from 1972, but I quit collecting (buying) since 2006.
I told it before : I like writing about the stamps and their history.
(See the various posts in the Thread : EUROPE -> GERMANY)

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Dambrovski

In Arduis Fidelis
27 Aug 2020
08:14:15am

re: Stamp Number 270 ???

Knew I had one of these somewhere. I've eventually found it.

The dealers blurb with it says 'West German variety: flourescent trial strip of 5 coil stamps with number on back from a 1973 trial'

The dealer also prices it at £25.
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