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Isn't it a joy to see so many quality Great Britain stamps together, displayed in a simple stamp album.
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At one time I considered collecting Great Britain, if I had done so I would be on this like "ugly on an ape" - does anyone know which older American western that quote comes from and who says it? A bit of TV trivia for the western fans out there!!!
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If it goes for the estimate then its mine, BUT it will definitely go higher and my wife won't let me re-mortgage the house!!
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Good luck Ian - let us know if you get it. I was going to collect Britain, even bought an album. Then I took a good look at what I was getting into and changed my mind, at least for a while! I do have a really nice Penny Black and many more of the older issues. The trouble is that a lot of the stuff I'm missing is quite pricey. To make a serious effort to get a reasonable collection is a very expensive process. I added Australia and Ireland to my list of countries instead!
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Harvey:-
I have no chance of getting it but I'll let you all know what it goes for.
In the album are a couple of Cape Triangles, Natal, Maldives, Oil Rivers, Barbados and Mauritius Britannias, Victoria, Bosnia Herzegovina, India CEF Queen Victoria and Ed VII, almost all Mint Hinged and a couple of early Canada used.
The album should go for $2500+ anything less and its a steal.
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I'd say that the £5 orange would on it's own fetch in excess of £7000, let alone the other gems.
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Gibbons 2020 catalogue value for a £5 Orange Used is £3500.
I am also taking into consideration that I haven't seen the album in the flesh and what condition the stamps are in.
Pictures and scans can hide a multitude of sins. The £5 Orange could have been repaired, have creases, thins etc that do not show up in the photo. If you look closely at some of the stamps there are obvious signs of foxing. Are the stamps hinged, glued or stuck in with old stamp selvedges?
If after inspection that the stamps are sound my estimate would increase.
I am also taking into consideration local market conditions.
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Ian, there was one on Catawiki a week or so ago, not looking as good that went for well in excess of 5000, sadly they don't seem to have a sold listing.
Even if the stamps are glued in I'd buy it and put a £1000 or so as a bid.
Bearing in mind all the other gems like the embossed issues, commonwealth and the fact most are nice, circular date cancellations.
Wish it was mine, sigh.
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I'd bid at least £200 for that lot! If you win it Ian, can I get that £5 beauty?
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BrightonPete:-
No Worries.
Of course I would give it to you!!
(In your dreams, mate)
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Ian, is there a link to the rest of the photos? (Don't fret, I'm too far away, and already spent all my extra money on much less impressive stamps.... I just want to drool some more!!!!)
....and who came up with that estimate?????
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Just from these pictures, this collection is going to go for at least £3,000. "Local" won't enter into it. It is unusual enough that a few phone calls will bring major buyers from the cities.
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I think the auction house delibertely put a low estimate to drag potential buyers in hoping for a big payday and maybe better sales on the rest of the items.
I tried to link to the photos but it wouldn't work. But I've tried another way and here it is:-
https://www.taylors-auctions.com/auction/lot/2054
Roy:-
The auction house is pretty vague when it comes to stamps and has a high rate of commission at just less than 25%.
It will be interesting to see how much the lot goes for. I hope for the sellers sake that it goes for higher than my estimate as they also have to pay just under 25% sellers fee!
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Three Penny Reds have a number in the Maltese cross postmark. One is an 8, one a 5, and the last one is either a 6 or an 8. If I remember correctly, the cancels list for $1,000 each which should add at least $300 to the overall value.
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Thanks Ian!!!!
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Zipper:- My SG catalogue 2013 gives the following for numbered Maltese Cross:-
No 5......£180
No 6......£160
No 8......$160
The rarest plate is No 4 at £600.
There again there are probably more here in the UK than across the pond.
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Tried to find the book that listed the MCs. Will continue looking and when I find it I'll scan it for you.
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That KEVII one point stamp with the Jersey packet cancel looks like a Lowden forgery.
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Can't find the book. Doe must have stashed it somewhere. When I run across it, I'll scan it. Sorry.
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This lot just sold for £8,500.
Adding Buyers Premium that goes to approx £10,125 or $11,330.
Shows how much I know about stamp values!!
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Ian, thanks for letting us know the result, would have been nice to own and fill the gaps in my collection. Guess I will have to wait until I win the lottery.
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just seeing this. Gorgeous stamps and the condition looks phenomenal.
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Welcome to the Drooling Club!
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My wife decided she was going to bid for this. After much discussion she decided she would go to a maximum of £2,000. I said if we cancelled Christmas and bought no biscuits for 3 months she could go to £3,000. I fell asleep, and when I woke up I asked how she had fared.
She smiled and told me the opening bid was £4,000. Now I know that there is a God after all. She reckoned it was bought by a dealer, and it will by this time be in hundreds of pieces.
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That's something that really bothers me. Over the last 50 years my wife and I, and now just me, have put together an amazing collection. It's not just the value, it's the number of hours of enjoyment and work. I have no one to pass it on to, so it will be sold and broken up. Very sad, but I really have no choice. Honesty, I would give it away (in my will) if I knew someone who would keep it together and build on it! How many of you have the same problem, I'm sure I'm not alone?
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"She reckoned it was bought by a dealer, and it will by this time be in hundreds of pieces."
Gudgie:- To misquote a common line from a pantomime "Oh no it isn't".
The auction was an on-line only auction so the album is still in the auction house.
Maybe I should get the old commando gear on, get the blanco, jelly and jemmy and go for a stroll at 3 o'clock in the morning.
Hi! Ho! Hi! Ho! Its off to work we go!
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Harvey, I break up collections all the time. I do get a bit sad when I see some of the amazing annotation, hand-drawn maps etc etc. However, collectors today don't want that.
Also, as everyone collects differently, one man's collection is another man's stockbook.
If you think of what we do as conservation and custodianship, it hurts your head and heart less!
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Ian, Mrs. gudgie rose early this morning to take part in the online bidding. I pulled the duvet back over my head, having previously discussed privately your estimate of it's value. When I finally some up at lunchtime, she told me all about it.
The only reason she would even consider spending so much money on it was we've been stuck in our home now since March and I think the money we've now saved is burning a hole in her pocket. I will stick to my 5 cent auction lots thank you very much.
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03:51:31am
Mid-night musings.
" .... I will stick to my 5 cent auction lots
thank you very much. ...."
I would love to have bought that album, and
most constant readers here feel the same.
But sometime ago I found one of the Chinese
junk series that sold for, I think 12¢ US.
It filled in the last space of the three
printings, up to the few top values that
I'll never afford. It replaced a somewhat
smudged example and now I have all the
issues, except for a few top values I'll
never be able to afford, including some
variations with nice cancels that do not
significantly obscure the visual effect.
I admired the pages several times and
felt my endorphin-ones holding hands
(synapses) with my endomorphin-twos dancing
a merry jig along my spine. That is a
most pleasurable feeling.
About a month go I won a bright red
Norwegian Legion stamp to fill a space
that had been annoyingly open for far
too many years. The hammer price was
about $40.oo or $50.oo. Once it was
safely hinged in place the same
endorphins grabbed their partners and
began their dance.
Several times since then, when I had
cause to open those albums, I paused
to admire the page, now complete.
Both the former and the latter stamp
gave me a similar sense of satisfaction
and accomplishment despite their some-
what divergent cost or value.
The point is that while would have loved
to win that album, I can get a very similar
feeling of enjoyment from a two hundred
dollar album I plan to bid on at the end of
this month. And, as the late Colonel Greene
once said to a reporter, "You do not know
what stamps can do to a person."
.
(Okay, I did embellish the thing about the
jig a little, it was really more of a quick
"two step," but it is now about two AM.)
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Gudgie:-
I knew I could not afford the album but like all visits to auctions, whether on or off line, I take great pleasure in viewing and admiring the collections that a person has put together.
This one especially so as it was not in an expensive printed album, encased behind mounts, laid out like little tin soldiers but in an ordinary every day album like we all started out with when we were boys and girls.
The collector never wasted any money on fantoosh stuff. They had spent their money on nice stamps!!
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That does look like a beautiful collection. Good luck.
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The following pictures are just 7 photos out of 51 for an auction lot being sold locally. The estimate is £80 to £120. The bargain of the millenium!!!
Isn't it a joy to see so many quality Great Britain stamps together, displayed in a simple stamp album.
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05 Nov 2020
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At one time I considered collecting Great Britain, if I had done so I would be on this like "ugly on an ape" - does anyone know which older American western that quote comes from and who says it? A bit of TV trivia for the western fans out there!!!
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Good luck Ian - let us know if you get it. I was going to collect Britain, even bought an album. Then I took a good look at what I was getting into and changed my mind, at least for a while! I do have a really nice Penny Black and many more of the older issues. The trouble is that a lot of the stuff I'm missing is quite pricey. To make a serious effort to get a reasonable collection is a very expensive process. I added Australia and Ireland to my list of countries instead!
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Harvey:-
I have no chance of getting it but I'll let you all know what it goes for.
In the album are a couple of Cape Triangles, Natal, Maldives, Oil Rivers, Barbados and Mauritius Britannias, Victoria, Bosnia Herzegovina, India CEF Queen Victoria and Ed VII, almost all Mint Hinged and a couple of early Canada used.
The album should go for $2500+ anything less and its a steal.
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I'd say that the £5 orange would on it's own fetch in excess of £7000, let alone the other gems.
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Sheepshanks:-
Gibbons 2020 catalogue value for a £5 Orange Used is £3500.
I am also taking into consideration that I haven't seen the album in the flesh and what condition the stamps are in.
Pictures and scans can hide a multitude of sins. The £5 Orange could have been repaired, have creases, thins etc that do not show up in the photo. If you look closely at some of the stamps there are obvious signs of foxing. Are the stamps hinged, glued or stuck in with old stamp selvedges?
If after inspection that the stamps are sound my estimate would increase.
I am also taking into consideration local market conditions.
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Ian, there was one on Catawiki a week or so ago, not looking as good that went for well in excess of 5000, sadly they don't seem to have a sold listing.
Even if the stamps are glued in I'd buy it and put a £1000 or so as a bid.
Bearing in mind all the other gems like the embossed issues, commonwealth and the fact most are nice, circular date cancellations.
Wish it was mine, sigh.
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I'd bid at least £200 for that lot! If you win it Ian, can I get that £5 beauty?
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Ian, is there a link to the rest of the photos? (Don't fret, I'm too far away, and already spent all my extra money on much less impressive stamps.... I just want to drool some more!!!!)
....and who came up with that estimate?????
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05 Nov 2020
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Just from these pictures, this collection is going to go for at least £3,000. "Local" won't enter into it. It is unusual enough that a few phone calls will bring major buyers from the cities.
Roy
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TomD:-
I think the auction house delibertely put a low estimate to drag potential buyers in hoping for a big payday and maybe better sales on the rest of the items.
I tried to link to the photos but it wouldn't work. But I've tried another way and here it is:-
https://www.taylors-auctions.com/auction/lot/2054
Roy:-
The auction house is pretty vague when it comes to stamps and has a high rate of commission at just less than 25%.
It will be interesting to see how much the lot goes for. I hope for the sellers sake that it goes for higher than my estimate as they also have to pay just under 25% sellers fee!
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06 Nov 2020
08:31:58am
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Three Penny Reds have a number in the Maltese cross postmark. One is an 8, one a 5, and the last one is either a 6 or an 8. If I remember correctly, the cancels list for $1,000 each which should add at least $300 to the overall value.
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Zipper:- My SG catalogue 2013 gives the following for numbered Maltese Cross:-
No 5......£180
No 6......£160
No 8......$160
The rarest plate is No 4 at £600.
There again there are probably more here in the UK than across the pond.
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06 Nov 2020
03:23:37pm
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Tried to find the book that listed the MCs. Will continue looking and when I find it I'll scan it for you.
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That KEVII one point stamp with the Jersey packet cancel looks like a Lowden forgery.
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07 Nov 2020
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Can't find the book. Doe must have stashed it somewhere. When I run across it, I'll scan it. Sorry.
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Ian, thanks for letting us know the result, would have been nice to own and fill the gaps in my collection. Guess I will have to wait until I win the lottery.
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just seeing this. Gorgeous stamps and the condition looks phenomenal.
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My wife decided she was going to bid for this. After much discussion she decided she would go to a maximum of £2,000. I said if we cancelled Christmas and bought no biscuits for 3 months she could go to £3,000. I fell asleep, and when I woke up I asked how she had fared.
She smiled and told me the opening bid was £4,000. Now I know that there is a God after all. She reckoned it was bought by a dealer, and it will by this time be in hundreds of pieces.
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That's something that really bothers me. Over the last 50 years my wife and I, and now just me, have put together an amazing collection. It's not just the value, it's the number of hours of enjoyment and work. I have no one to pass it on to, so it will be sold and broken up. Very sad, but I really have no choice. Honesty, I would give it away (in my will) if I knew someone who would keep it together and build on it! How many of you have the same problem, I'm sure I'm not alone?
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"She reckoned it was bought by a dealer, and it will by this time be in hundreds of pieces."
Gudgie:- To misquote a common line from a pantomime "Oh no it isn't".
The auction was an on-line only auction so the album is still in the auction house.
Maybe I should get the old commando gear on, get the blanco, jelly and jemmy and go for a stroll at 3 o'clock in the morning.
Hi! Ho! Hi! Ho! Its off to work we go!
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Harvey, I break up collections all the time. I do get a bit sad when I see some of the amazing annotation, hand-drawn maps etc etc. However, collectors today don't want that.
Also, as everyone collects differently, one man's collection is another man's stockbook.
If you think of what we do as conservation and custodianship, it hurts your head and heart less!
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Ian, Mrs. gudgie rose early this morning to take part in the online bidding. I pulled the duvet back over my head, having previously discussed privately your estimate of it's value. When I finally some up at lunchtime, she told me all about it.
The only reason she would even consider spending so much money on it was we've been stuck in our home now since March and I think the money we've now saved is burning a hole in her pocket. I will stick to my 5 cent auction lots thank you very much.
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11 Nov 2020
03:51:31am
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Mid-night musings.
" .... I will stick to my 5 cent auction lots
thank you very much. ...."
I would love to have bought that album, and
most constant readers here feel the same.
But sometime ago I found one of the Chinese
junk series that sold for, I think 12¢ US.
It filled in the last space of the three
printings, up to the few top values that
I'll never afford. It replaced a somewhat
smudged example and now I have all the
issues, except for a few top values I'll
never be able to afford, including some
variations with nice cancels that do not
significantly obscure the visual effect.
I admired the pages several times and
felt my endorphin-ones holding hands
(synapses) with my endomorphin-twos dancing
a merry jig along my spine. That is a
most pleasurable feeling.
About a month go I won a bright red
Norwegian Legion stamp to fill a space
that had been annoyingly open for far
too many years. The hammer price was
about $40.oo or $50.oo. Once it was
safely hinged in place the same
endorphins grabbed their partners and
began their dance.
Several times since then, when I had
cause to open those albums, I paused
to admire the page, now complete.
Both the former and the latter stamp
gave me a similar sense of satisfaction
and accomplishment despite their some-
what divergent cost or value.
The point is that while would have loved
to win that album, I can get a very similar
feeling of enjoyment from a two hundred
dollar album I plan to bid on at the end of
this month. And, as the late Colonel Greene
once said to a reporter, "You do not know
what stamps can do to a person."
.
(Okay, I did embellish the thing about the
jig a little, it was really more of a quick
"two step," but it is now about two AM.)
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Gudgie:-
I knew I could not afford the album but like all visits to auctions, whether on or off line, I take great pleasure in viewing and admiring the collections that a person has put together.
This one especially so as it was not in an expensive printed album, encased behind mounts, laid out like little tin soldiers but in an ordinary every day album like we all started out with when we were boys and girls.
The collector never wasted any money on fantoosh stuff. They had spent their money on nice stamps!!
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That does look like a beautiful collection. Good luck.
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