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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

 

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OLDPAUL

08 Dec 2020
05:16:57pm

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Hello,
Can anyone tell me what this marking is? Thanks. Paul Wilson. (OLDPAUL).Image Not Found

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09 Dec 2020
12:12:29pm
re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Just a shot in the dark but I know that before certificates, folks who would authenticate stamps would leave a mark of some sort on the back of a stamp so as to identify who they were. Could it possibly be an authenticators mark? I am not super well versed on this subject so, as I said, just a shot in the dark.

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sheepshanks
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09 Dec 2020
12:54:25pm
re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

As UPS guy says, could be an expertisers mark or that of a dealer. I found no image reference on this site.
https://www.filatelia.fi/experts/index.html

Not that it means it is not an experts mark, just not a known one, or one they have knowledge of. Perhaps submit an image (face and back)and see what they say.
Does the stamp have a large catalogue value, some of the overprints from that year are quite expensive.

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09 Dec 2020
04:02:22pm
re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Many of these are owners marks, a common practice years ago.
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OLDPAUL

09 Dec 2020
05:01:49pm

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re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Hello Dan and Art,
Thank you. I remember listing a SWISS stamp last mouth or so. It had a Z marking on the back. This was a experts marking for ZUMSTEIN, a European Catalog maker. I have tried searching on the internet under "Experts markings on postage stamps", but this mark does not so up. Thanks for info. Stay Safe! Paul Wilson.(OLDPAUL)

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09 Dec 2020
05:08:40pm
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Paul if you click on the link in my above post it includes Zumstein.

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OLDPAUL

10 Dec 2020
05:43:26am

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Hello sheepshanks,
Thank you for the link. I will save it. The stamp is CEYLON SC #94A used with a inverted overprint. It is unlisted this way in both SCOTTS and STANLEY GIBBONS. I want to get as much info. as I can before I list it. Thanks for help. Stay Safe! Paul Wilson. (OLDPAUL)

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10 Dec 2020
06:51:53am
re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Apparently there's only seven known copies of the stamp with upright overprint. My cynical mind screams forgery, but I would send it for a certificate before I did anything!

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OLDPAUL

10 Dec 2020
02:54:09pm

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Hello Dave,
I will. I do not want it coming back after I list it. Stay Safe! Paul Wilson. (OLDPAUL).

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11 Dec 2020
09:36:34am
re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Once again, relying on memory, it seems
that I read somewhere that for some reason
the printers did not check on the watermarks
of Ceylon stamps during printing process,
so that many (some) issues were regularly
issued with inverted or sideways watermarks
as the norm. It is the few that had upright
watermarks that were or are variants.
Just another quirk of the day.
For a while I thought that it might be due
to Ceylon (Sri Lanka) being south of the
Equator, and therefore upside down, but when
rounding Dondra Head we were still
200 or 300 miles from the Equator.

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OLDPAUL

15 Dec 2020
07:30:24pm

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re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Hi Charlie,
I hope all is well with you in your new-old location on the planet. I know about inverted watermarks on B.C. stamps including CEYLON. My question is about the mystery marking on the back of this stamp. I am sending a letter to the CEYLON STUDY CIRCLE in the U.K., as I have had no luck yet on the I.D. of the marking. A vaccine is on it's way. Stay Safe! OLDPAUL.

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OLDPAUL

08 Dec 2020
05:16:57pm

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Hello,
Can anyone tell me what this marking is? Thanks. Paul Wilson. (OLDPAUL).Image Not Found

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upsguy62

09 Dec 2020
12:12:29pm

re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Just a shot in the dark but I know that before certificates, folks who would authenticate stamps would leave a mark of some sort on the back of a stamp so as to identify who they were. Could it possibly be an authenticators mark? I am not super well versed on this subject so, as I said, just a shot in the dark.

Art

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sheepshanks

09 Dec 2020
12:54:25pm

re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

As UPS guy says, could be an expertisers mark or that of a dealer. I found no image reference on this site.
https://www.filatelia.fi/experts/index.html

Not that it means it is not an experts mark, just not a known one, or one they have knowledge of. Perhaps submit an image (face and back)and see what they say.
Does the stamp have a large catalogue value, some of the overprints from that year are quite expensive.

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51Studebaker

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09 Dec 2020
04:02:22pm

re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Many of these are owners marks, a common practice years ago.
Don

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OLDPAUL

09 Dec 2020
05:01:49pm

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re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Hello Dan and Art,
Thank you. I remember listing a SWISS stamp last mouth or so. It had a Z marking on the back. This was a experts marking for ZUMSTEIN, a European Catalog maker. I have tried searching on the internet under "Experts markings on postage stamps", but this mark does not so up. Thanks for info. Stay Safe! Paul Wilson.(OLDPAUL)

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sheepshanks

09 Dec 2020
05:08:40pm

re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Paul if you click on the link in my above post it includes Zumstein.

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OLDPAUL

10 Dec 2020
05:43:26am

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re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Hello sheepshanks,
Thank you for the link. I will save it. The stamp is CEYLON SC #94A used with a inverted overprint. It is unlisted this way in both SCOTTS and STANLEY GIBBONS. I want to get as much info. as I can before I list it. Thanks for help. Stay Safe! Paul Wilson. (OLDPAUL)

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DaveSheridan

10 Dec 2020
06:51:53am

re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Apparently there's only seven known copies of the stamp with upright overprint. My cynical mind screams forgery, but I would send it for a certificate before I did anything!

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OLDPAUL

10 Dec 2020
02:54:09pm

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re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Hello Dave,
I will. I do not want it coming back after I list it. Stay Safe! Paul Wilson. (OLDPAUL).

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
11 Dec 2020
09:36:34am

re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Once again, relying on memory, it seems
that I read somewhere that for some reason
the printers did not check on the watermarks
of Ceylon stamps during printing process,
so that many (some) issues were regularly
issued with inverted or sideways watermarks
as the norm. It is the few that had upright
watermarks that were or are variants.
Just another quirk of the day.
For a while I thought that it might be due
to Ceylon (Sri Lanka) being south of the
Equator, and therefore upside down, but when
rounding Dondra Head we were still
200 or 300 miles from the Equator.

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".... You may think you understood what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you think you heard is not what I thought I meant. .... "
OLDPAUL

15 Dec 2020
07:30:24pm

Auctions

re: Marking on back of 1885 Ceylon stamp.

Hi Charlie,
I hope all is well with you in your new-old location on the planet. I know about inverted watermarks on B.C. stamps including CEYLON. My question is about the mystery marking on the back of this stamp. I am sending a letter to the CEYLON STUDY CIRCLE in the U.K., as I have had no luck yet on the I.D. of the marking. A vaccine is on it's way. Stay Safe! OLDPAUL.

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