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15 Jan 2021
11:18:45am
Schaubek was sent an order in early December. DHL tracking # CD424524737DE it's clearly taking a lot longer. Looks like it still may be in Germany. Anybody know any trick to locating where it is now? I ran the # through USPS and they say they just got a notice it is coming. It's not the seller's fault, it is what it is.

I was told on another discussion board that DHL is now telling shippers eight to ten weeks to North America..
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15 Jan 2021
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Snick:

My shop has ordered items that still are on backorder to the Canadian distributor from Lighthouse in Germany. Keep in mind that Germany, as Canada, has gone in and out of lockdown. Lockdowns create backlogs. As well, postal and courier systems worldwide have been overwhelmed.

You'll get it; it will take some time.

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I purchased some stamps from a seller in Germany on November 29 last year. The seller who I have done business with in the past says that it would probably be two months. He said that mail is being sent by ship. However, I just received an envelope from Denmark that took 7 days.

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I received a delivery from the Philippines a week or so ago. It was posted in March, so 9 months delivery. Australia Post has somewhere between 18-20 million items stockpiled, and is using sea mail as well.

These crazy times are an opportunity for all of us to re-learn patience....

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So there is still a chance I may get my sending from Argentina posted in June last year????
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Don't lose faith Brian!

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16 Jan 2021
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I tried to order some Russia albums from Schaubek earlier but couldn't because they weren't processing. They changed this and then I ordered, figured it'd taker some weeks which is what is happening. The thing that bugs me is the utter lack of any feedback as to where this shipment is. All I know is that USPS is now saying they got notice it was coming. Probably by ship??

The seller is trying and I don't blame them for this.

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31 Jan 2021
11:38:22am
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Schaubek is handling this issue like usual....doing nothing. I sent them a message today again asking for any input/update. I won't get a reply, I'm sure.

Filing a claim with my card company if they continue the silence.

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02 Feb 2021
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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

Schaubek is having a claim filed, including the shipping.

My attitude changed abruptly once I realized nothing would happen without outside interference, they have I think one person there speaking English.

The agent seemed familiar with them. This perhaps may not be the first such claim. They have refunded my money. Should it arrive I will immediately repay it.




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02 Feb 2021
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I have been waiting on some stamps from Germany for over 2 months now. Seller said that mail is going by ship. Must be a rowboat. Alas, No Tracking Number.

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02 Feb 2021
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I received some stamps from Germany last week and it only took 9 days.

Two months makes one wonder if it was sent or has gotten lost?

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05 Feb 2021
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I think it's lost- seriously.

They apparently just slap on labels and hand to DHL and hope for the best. I still think this box is in a closet at an airport. No longer my problem..

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05 Feb 2021
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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

I just had a member here tell that the packet I sent a while back - just a few hours away from me here in Florida STILL hasn't arrived. The tracking number shows it stalled in Palm Beach. I could have delivered it faster riding my bike!

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As per https://parcelsapp.com/fr/tracking/CD424524737DE

you parcel will arrive today
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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

And after a number of similar episodes, I had just the opposite happen this week. I won a cover on EBay last week. The seller promptly mailed it. It was postmarked in Portland, Oregon on February 2nd; I received it Sarasota, Florida on Feb 5th. Go Figure!

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06 Feb 2021
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I just had an envelope arrive from Sweden in just 6 days.

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07 Feb 2021
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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

Foudutrimbre,

Where are you finding this? Every site I check for DHL seems linked to UK delivery. Nice if so, it still isn't here as yet..

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07 Feb 2021
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It is still in the system somewhere.
Much like my mail from Florida posted in November that has still to arrive in Manitoba, although one posted 16th. January from Florida has arrived.
Postal systems around the world are in chaos because of Covid effects and more so because less passenger jets are moving.

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07 Feb 2021
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USPS is expecting this in their system. No recent arrival seen.

They need to suspend shipments for now.

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The one I found your tracking is : https://parcelsapp.com/fr/tracking

Usually I use UPU tracking website : http://globaltracktrace.ptc.post/gtt.web/ or https://trackdz.com/fr



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11 Feb 2021
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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

I can't recall where, but this week I looked up a guide that told me my tracking cannot be located currently.

Just bought an album from Yvert in Paris; they ship using Collisimo which I recall takes a lot less time than DHL.

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Same thing happened with me
The parcel was shipped through colissimo registered without any tracking from both side. The sender has introduced a complaint with french post but till now he didn't get answer. The parcel was sent on Dec 15th 2020.....

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14 Feb 2021
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Tracking now shows it arrived at Jersey City, NJ this morning. Once it gets here I can repay them.

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16 Feb 2021
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This was given to USPS on 2-14, apparently after clearing customs.

Now, more wait. It ought to be here by next week.

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Patience is a virtue, just arrived in Manitoba today, mail from Michigan posted 9th. Dec, so there is hope yet for mail from Florida posted last November, fingers crossed.

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19 Feb 2021
07:33:00pm
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Got a notice it had arrived and would be in today's mail. It wasn't.

This happens, it'll be here tomorrow.

I got my Coronavirus shot today, feeling sort of awful.


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19 Feb 2021
07:56:45pm
re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

I have an E-Bay item that is very late. Do you thinks it's a coincidence that I got the item on the first bid at a major bargain? I wonder if the money will be reimbursed and the item will show up again on another venue and possibly bring a better price. Am I being paranoid? I think this sort of thing happens fairly often!

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19 Feb 2021
10:41:43pm
re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

Got a message from USPD tonight. Turns out the address on the parcel was missing! They are sending it back. to Germany? Huh???

I bet it shows up anyway tomorrow. Right now I found a listing of a computer programmed set I can use on Scott pages.

Life goes on??

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24 Feb 2021
12:45:59pm
re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

Last I heard, Schaubek is getting my parcel back. I did not see it of course so maybe the address was obscured but doubt it. DHL is just awful on shipping now.

By contrast I sent an order to Yvert ten days ago. That one arrived in the USA. Yesterday!! Probably I'll get it in a few days.

Schaubek is operating like a DDR company. Pathetic...

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24 Feb 2021
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I finally received a DHL parcel from Germany. It only took 82 days. I had items shipped on Feb. 17 from New York, Los Angeles and the United Kingdom. The parcel from the UK arrived in 6 days. Those mail in New York and Los Angeles are delayed by the winter storms. No idea when or if I will received them.Angry

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24 Feb 2021
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Mail today, France 6 days, Sweden 13, USA 29. Local post from 8 miles away 6 days. Still awaiting mail from Florida from November and Israel from 6th December.

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25 Feb 2021
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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

This post is an outgrowth of my recent posts re a situation where USPS failed to process a DHL delivery last week. It was on it's way back immediately. They told me my address was messed up. Now I wonder, I have an Yvert album arriving Friday from their handler. Is there some issue here I need to be aware of?

Is USPS trying to reduce any distractions here? Worried about the Yvert delivery. Will that one be delivered?

The idea of another foul up here is really messing me up. Any idea if this may be a new thing?

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26 Feb 2021
03:26:32pm
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It arrived. Pack pulled open on one end, half the pages ruined by water leakage, other half fine, binder fine. Some one did this after it arrived here in the USA, I'd bet.

My first time dealing with Yvert, I messaged them to ask about replacement or credit for these. I needed a binder far more than the pages. Assuming I get credit for the damages we're OK.

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22 Mar 2021
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I got a call this evening from my local carrier office. They say they have a package from Germany holding over a month. My name is on it along with a zip code, nothing much else. Although I was notified that it was going back to Germany it seems they held onto it. I will go in tomorrow to pick it up.

I'm speechless. Glad it's here and now worried about a second order still out there.

Schaubek and dang DHL. Never forget they function like a DDR company.

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28 Mar 2021
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The package I got was my second order Russia 1945-59. I finally got a reply from Schaubek, they will be 'very careful' next time to be sure this doesn't happen again. I wrote back and told them no more orders unless things change.

I have found two sellers in Europe selling Schaubek, both ship here. To heck with Schaubek. Will post their links if this works out.

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28 Mar 2021
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In my experience, DHL is the worst!

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13 Apr 2021
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A Schubek representative offered to process my order and asked me to send to them. I did so yesterday then today got this:

Good morning mister Marshall,



Thanks for your order.

Unfortunately we cannot accept your order at the moment.

There are difficulties with shipping, delivery, and customs in the United States.

Please order again in 4 - 5 months



Mit freundlichen Grüßen

End of story for me. No more Schaubek.

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There is a law suit in Canada against DHL.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/dhl-class-action-hidden-fees-1.5987195






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Schaubek was sent an order in early December. DHL tracking # CD424524737DE it's clearly taking a lot longer. Looks like it still may be in Germany. Anybody know any trick to locating where it is now? I ran the # through USPS and they say they just got a notice it is coming. It's not the seller's fault, it is what it is.

I was told on another discussion board that DHL is now telling shippers eight to ten weeks to North America..

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Snick:

My shop has ordered items that still are on backorder to the Canadian distributor from Lighthouse in Germany. Keep in mind that Germany, as Canada, has gone in and out of lockdown. Lockdowns create backlogs. As well, postal and courier systems worldwide have been overwhelmed.

You'll get it; it will take some time.

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I purchased some stamps from a seller in Germany on November 29 last year. The seller who I have done business with in the past says that it would probably be two months. He said that mail is being sent by ship. However, I just received an envelope from Denmark that took 7 days.

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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

I received a delivery from the Philippines a week or so ago. It was posted in March, so 9 months delivery. Australia Post has somewhere between 18-20 million items stockpiled, and is using sea mail as well.

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So there is still a chance I may get my sending from Argentina posted in June last year????
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Don't lose faith Brian!

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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

I tried to order some Russia albums from Schaubek earlier but couldn't because they weren't processing. They changed this and then I ordered, figured it'd taker some weeks which is what is happening. The thing that bugs me is the utter lack of any feedback as to where this shipment is. All I know is that USPS is now saying they got notice it was coming. Probably by ship??

The seller is trying and I don't blame them for this.

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Schaubek is handling this issue like usual....doing nothing. I sent them a message today again asking for any input/update. I won't get a reply, I'm sure.

Filing a claim with my card company if they continue the silence.

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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

Schaubek is having a claim filed, including the shipping.

My attitude changed abruptly once I realized nothing would happen without outside interference, they have I think one person there speaking English.

The agent seemed familiar with them. This perhaps may not be the first such claim. They have refunded my money. Should it arrive I will immediately repay it.




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I have been waiting on some stamps from Germany for over 2 months now. Seller said that mail is going by ship. Must be a rowboat. Alas, No Tracking Number.

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I received some stamps from Germany last week and it only took 9 days.

Two months makes one wonder if it was sent or has gotten lost?

Doug

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I think it's lost- seriously.

They apparently just slap on labels and hand to DHL and hope for the best. I still think this box is in a closet at an airport. No longer my problem..

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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

I just had a member here tell that the packet I sent a while back - just a few hours away from me here in Florida STILL hasn't arrived. The tracking number shows it stalled in Palm Beach. I could have delivered it faster riding my bike!

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As per https://parcelsapp.com/fr/tracking/CD424524737DE

you parcel will arrive today
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06 Feb 2021
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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

And after a number of similar episodes, I had just the opposite happen this week. I won a cover on EBay last week. The seller promptly mailed it. It was postmarked in Portland, Oregon on February 2nd; I received it Sarasota, Florida on Feb 5th. Go Figure!

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I just had an envelope arrive from Sweden in just 6 days.

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Foudutrimbre,

Where are you finding this? Every site I check for DHL seems linked to UK delivery. Nice if so, it still isn't here as yet..

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07 Feb 2021
12:21:22pm

re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?


It is still in the system somewhere.
Much like my mail from Florida posted in November that has still to arrive in Manitoba, although one posted 16th. January from Florida has arrived.
Postal systems around the world are in chaos because of Covid effects and more so because less passenger jets are moving.

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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

USPS is expecting this in their system. No recent arrival seen.

They need to suspend shipments for now.

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07 Feb 2021
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The one I found your tracking is : https://parcelsapp.com/fr/tracking

Usually I use UPU tracking website : http://globaltracktrace.ptc.post/gtt.web/ or https://trackdz.com/fr



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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

I can't recall where, but this week I looked up a guide that told me my tracking cannot be located currently.

Just bought an album from Yvert in Paris; they ship using Collisimo which I recall takes a lot less time than DHL.

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Same thing happened with me
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Tracking now shows it arrived at Jersey City, NJ this morning. Once it gets here I can repay them.

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This was given to USPS on 2-14, apparently after clearing customs.

Now, more wait. It ought to be here by next week.

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16 Feb 2021
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Patience is a virtue, just arrived in Manitoba today, mail from Michigan posted 9th. Dec, so there is hope yet for mail from Florida posted last November, fingers crossed.

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Got a notice it had arrived and would be in today's mail. It wasn't.

This happens, it'll be here tomorrow.

I got my Coronavirus shot today, feeling sort of awful.


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19 Feb 2021
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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

I have an E-Bay item that is very late. Do you thinks it's a coincidence that I got the item on the first bid at a major bargain? I wonder if the money will be reimbursed and the item will show up again on another venue and possibly bring a better price. Am I being paranoid? I think this sort of thing happens fairly often!

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Got a message from USPD tonight. Turns out the address on the parcel was missing! They are sending it back. to Germany? Huh???

I bet it shows up anyway tomorrow. Right now I found a listing of a computer programmed set I can use on Scott pages.

Life goes on??

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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

Last I heard, Schaubek is getting my parcel back. I did not see it of course so maybe the address was obscured but doubt it. DHL is just awful on shipping now.

By contrast I sent an order to Yvert ten days ago. That one arrived in the USA. Yesterday!! Probably I'll get it in a few days.

Schaubek is operating like a DDR company. Pathetic...

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I finally received a DHL parcel from Germany. It only took 82 days. I had items shipped on Feb. 17 from New York, Los Angeles and the United Kingdom. The parcel from the UK arrived in 6 days. Those mail in New York and Los Angeles are delayed by the winter storms. No idea when or if I will received them.Angry

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Mail today, France 6 days, Sweden 13, USA 29. Local post from 8 miles away 6 days. Still awaiting mail from Florida from November and Israel from 6th December.

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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

This post is an outgrowth of my recent posts re a situation where USPS failed to process a DHL delivery last week. It was on it's way back immediately. They told me my address was messed up. Now I wonder, I have an Yvert album arriving Friday from their handler. Is there some issue here I need to be aware of?

Is USPS trying to reduce any distractions here? Worried about the Yvert delivery. Will that one be delivered?

The idea of another foul up here is really messing me up. Any idea if this may be a new thing?

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Snick1946

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26 Feb 2021
03:26:32pm

re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

It arrived. Pack pulled open on one end, half the pages ruined by water leakage, other half fine, binder fine. Some one did this after it arrived here in the USA, I'd bet.

My first time dealing with Yvert, I messaged them to ask about replacement or credit for these. I needed a binder far more than the pages. Assuming I get credit for the damages we're OK.

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22 Mar 2021
09:07:17pm

re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

I got a call this evening from my local carrier office. They say they have a package from Germany holding over a month. My name is on it along with a zip code, nothing much else. Although I was notified that it was going back to Germany it seems they held onto it. I will go in tomorrow to pick it up.

I'm speechless. Glad it's here and now worried about a second order still out there.

Schaubek and dang DHL. Never forget they function like a DDR company.

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Snick1946

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28 Mar 2021
12:20:33pm

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The package I got was my second order Russia 1945-59. I finally got a reply from Schaubek, they will be 'very careful' next time to be sure this doesn't happen again. I wrote back and told them no more orders unless things change.

I have found two sellers in Europe selling Schaubek, both ship here. To heck with Schaubek. Will post their links if this works out.

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BrightonPete

28 Mar 2021
01:15:25pm

re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

In my experience, DHL is the worst!

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Snick1946

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13 Apr 2021
11:28:44am

re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

A Schubek representative offered to process my order and asked me to send to them. I did so yesterday then today got this:

Good morning mister Marshall,



Thanks for your order.

Unfortunately we cannot accept your order at the moment.

There are difficulties with shipping, delivery, and customs in the United States.

Please order again in 4 - 5 months



Mit freundlichen Grüßen

End of story for me. No more Schaubek.

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d1stamper

15 Apr 2021
09:50:19am

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re: DHL Shipping Time from Europe- Two Months?

There is a law suit in Canada against DHL.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/dhl-class-action-hidden-fees-1.5987195






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