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"Value" is in the eye of the beholder.
It all depends on the stamp, the postmark and the collector who views it.
If YOU like it, love it or want it then buy it!!
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I've certainly encountered items where having a stamp on piece with a nice, full cancel commands a bit of a premium, particularly with older items.
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I know that in the case of legitimate bisects from the Falkland Islands, a used copy on piece is more desirable than copy not on piece, as it reduces the odds that it is a fake.
David
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I'll tell you why I asked this. I found a really nice used copy of US airmail #C13, the first dirigible stamp in the 3 stamp series. It has a nice Brooklyn NY postmark and is on part of what appears to be a postal card of some sort. I was trying to figure out how much to bid since C13 and C15 are the only two US airmails I am missing. I put in $100 which is too low and, by the way, I don't snipe. I'll probably add a bit to my bid and I'm curious if the piece it is on should influence my thinking. I know "value is in the eye of the beholder", I'm just curious about how much I should bid. A 2010 used price is $150 and a cover price is $175. I'm thinking I will try $150 and if I don't get it, well c'est la vie!! Any comments - what would you do? I'll let you know what happens.
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Harvey,
on piece CAN add to the value, although you can see the small differential on the C13 between used and on cover. I'd imagine the on-piece price will be closer to the used price, because it doesn't really tell much more of a story than a used stamp does (generally, depending on the piece).
I'm pretty much a cover collector, so i'd only pay what I thought fair for a used stamp; i personally wouldn't add value to it. That said, if a rare seal were found on piece and the date was present and contemporary, it would be worth more to me and other tied-on collectors
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As said previously, it depends on the situation. Generally if on-piece just means it is stuck to paper without much in the way of identifying markings, then may actually take away value. On the other hand, if the piece is large, like say from a package and has lots of markings, it would definitely add value, such as the items below, both from packages.
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Agreed, smauggie.
Too often, "used on piece" items are cut from articles that were passed across the counter for a cancellation, but did not transit the mails. A great example is the Danish West Indies 4-cent bisects. This franking was required to be passed across the counter, and not allowed to be deposited in letter boxes. The vast majority of items bearing this franking, used on cover, are philatelic and never transited the mails.
If you're a collector of "used" stamps, I guess it doesn't matter much. But, if you're a collector of postal history, where the cancellation tells a story of the stamp's journey from sender to recipient, it matters a heap.
Just my $0.02
-Paul
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I ended up winning the item for $133.50, a little more than I was hoping to pay, but it was below my max bid. I'm very pleased, even though some of you will probably say I paid too much for a used stamp. But, what the heck, I'm pleased and that's all that really matters. Here's a picture of the item - please feel free to criticize if you wish!!
It said my file is too big which happens occasionally so I'll just add a link for the few who are interested.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/402654365056
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Harvey:- "goanyersel" as we say in Old Caledonia.
As long as you are happy with your purchase, that is all that matters.
I have items in my collections that mean more to me than any amount of money but another collector would say they are crap!
Why? Memories, Memories!
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I've collected many different things over the years, but some things mean a lot to me for various reasons. I have a small child's table with my name on the bottom - it was a gift on my third birthday. I have a home made drop front desk with my mother's maiden name on the back that was a very early gift to her. I have many family pieces that I will cherish as long as I am here to cherish them. They have very little actual monetary value, but that is totally irrelevant! I used to hate seeing family items sold at auctions for almost nothing, family photos especially. I'm afraid that the average younger person now looks as items as almost a burden - things have really changed!
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I would love to see a picture of your NS bisect. NS is one of my specialities including forgeries. I am only missing #7 from my collection of genuine. I've yet to find a bisect tied.
Two of my interests would be to add a bisect tied as well as acquire a cover that has both NS and US stamps tied. I know the latter exist but I've yet to come across any.
Kelly
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Sorry, can't upload the image, it tells me the image is too large. I'll send it via your personal e-mail instead. It has never been officially authenticated but several solid stamp people have checked it out. #3a (bisect) and #4 are tied together by the postmark and are also tied to the piece. The main reason I bought it is the Liverpool NS postmark - I collect items from my home town. The oddest thing I have is a pair of cast iron handcuffs from the local jail. According to information online they are approximately Civil War vintage. Unfortunately no paper work, just the word of the auctioneer. He wasn't even allowed to give the name of the previous owner since he had no permission to do so - a real shame!!!
Edit: If any other Canada collectors want to see a picture of my NS #3 bisect just send a personal Email (cbudgell1@eastlink.ca) and I'll send it to you. It's an interesting combination of two fairly rare stamps.
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There is an excellent article on collecting "on piece" stamps in Kelleher's Stamp Collector's Quarterly, 4th quarter 2020.
Here is a link to the PDF download. You can also go to their website to read/ download other issues.
https://www.kelleherauctions.com/magazine/kcc_024.pdf
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I'm bidding on a stamp on-line that is "used on piece" and I really like the postmark. I'm considering it to have the value of a used stamp, but am I right? I remember reading somewhere that a nice postmark on piece could increase the value a bit. In Scott's they give a cover value but I'm curious if there is any advantage to having a stamp on a part of a cover. I have a really nice NS #3 bisect tied to a piece by a nice local postmark and to me it makes the stamp have value since otherwise anyone could cut a stamp in two pieces to increase the value. All I want to know is whether a stamp on piece has any more value that a used stamp under normal circumstances. To me it has more intrinsic value, but does it have more monitory value? Excuse my rambling, but that's just me!
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re: Does "used on piece" have any extra value
"Value" is in the eye of the beholder.
It all depends on the stamp, the postmark and the collector who views it.
If YOU like it, love it or want it then buy it!!
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re: Does "used on piece" have any extra value
I've certainly encountered items where having a stamp on piece with a nice, full cancel commands a bit of a premium, particularly with older items.
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re: Does "used on piece" have any extra value
I know that in the case of legitimate bisects from the Falkland Islands, a used copy on piece is more desirable than copy not on piece, as it reduces the odds that it is a fake.
David
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re: Does "used on piece" have any extra value
I'll tell you why I asked this. I found a really nice used copy of US airmail #C13, the first dirigible stamp in the 3 stamp series. It has a nice Brooklyn NY postmark and is on part of what appears to be a postal card of some sort. I was trying to figure out how much to bid since C13 and C15 are the only two US airmails I am missing. I put in $100 which is too low and, by the way, I don't snipe. I'll probably add a bit to my bid and I'm curious if the piece it is on should influence my thinking. I know "value is in the eye of the beholder", I'm just curious about how much I should bid. A 2010 used price is $150 and a cover price is $175. I'm thinking I will try $150 and if I don't get it, well c'est la vie!! Any comments - what would you do? I'll let you know what happens.
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re: Does "used on piece" have any extra value
Harvey,
on piece CAN add to the value, although you can see the small differential on the C13 between used and on cover. I'd imagine the on-piece price will be closer to the used price, because it doesn't really tell much more of a story than a used stamp does (generally, depending on the piece).
I'm pretty much a cover collector, so i'd only pay what I thought fair for a used stamp; i personally wouldn't add value to it. That said, if a rare seal were found on piece and the date was present and contemporary, it would be worth more to me and other tied-on collectors
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re: Does "used on piece" have any extra value
As said previously, it depends on the situation. Generally if on-piece just means it is stuck to paper without much in the way of identifying markings, then may actually take away value. On the other hand, if the piece is large, like say from a package and has lots of markings, it would definitely add value, such as the items below, both from packages.
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re: Does "used on piece" have any extra value
Agreed, smauggie.
Too often, "used on piece" items are cut from articles that were passed across the counter for a cancellation, but did not transit the mails. A great example is the Danish West Indies 4-cent bisects. This franking was required to be passed across the counter, and not allowed to be deposited in letter boxes. The vast majority of items bearing this franking, used on cover, are philatelic and never transited the mails.
If you're a collector of "used" stamps, I guess it doesn't matter much. But, if you're a collector of postal history, where the cancellation tells a story of the stamp's journey from sender to recipient, it matters a heap.
Just my $0.02
-Paul
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re: Does "used on piece" have any extra value
I ended up winning the item for $133.50, a little more than I was hoping to pay, but it was below my max bid. I'm very pleased, even though some of you will probably say I paid too much for a used stamp. But, what the heck, I'm pleased and that's all that really matters. Here's a picture of the item - please feel free to criticize if you wish!!
It said my file is too big which happens occasionally so I'll just add a link for the few who are interested.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/402654365056
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re: Does "used on piece" have any extra value
Harvey:- "goanyersel" as we say in Old Caledonia.
As long as you are happy with your purchase, that is all that matters.
I have items in my collections that mean more to me than any amount of money but another collector would say they are crap!
Why? Memories, Memories!
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re: Does "used on piece" have any extra value
I've collected many different things over the years, but some things mean a lot to me for various reasons. I have a small child's table with my name on the bottom - it was a gift on my third birthday. I have a home made drop front desk with my mother's maiden name on the back that was a very early gift to her. I have many family pieces that I will cherish as long as I am here to cherish them. They have very little actual monetary value, but that is totally irrelevant! I used to hate seeing family items sold at auctions for almost nothing, family photos especially. I'm afraid that the average younger person now looks as items as almost a burden - things have really changed!
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re: Does "used on piece" have any extra value
I would love to see a picture of your NS bisect. NS is one of my specialities including forgeries. I am only missing #7 from my collection of genuine. I've yet to find a bisect tied.
Two of my interests would be to add a bisect tied as well as acquire a cover that has both NS and US stamps tied. I know the latter exist but I've yet to come across any.
Kelly
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re: Does "used on piece" have any extra value
Sorry, can't upload the image, it tells me the image is too large. I'll send it via your personal e-mail instead. It has never been officially authenticated but several solid stamp people have checked it out. #3a (bisect) and #4 are tied together by the postmark and are also tied to the piece. The main reason I bought it is the Liverpool NS postmark - I collect items from my home town. The oddest thing I have is a pair of cast iron handcuffs from the local jail. According to information online they are approximately Civil War vintage. Unfortunately no paper work, just the word of the auctioneer. He wasn't even allowed to give the name of the previous owner since he had no permission to do so - a real shame!!!
Edit: If any other Canada collectors want to see a picture of my NS #3 bisect just send a personal Email (cbudgell1@eastlink.ca) and I'll send it to you. It's an interesting combination of two fairly rare stamps.
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re: Does "used on piece" have any extra value
There is an excellent article on collecting "on piece" stamps in Kelleher's Stamp Collector's Quarterly, 4th quarter 2020.
Here is a link to the PDF download. You can also go to their website to read/ download other issues.
https://www.kelleherauctions.com/magazine/kcc_024.pdf
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